2 Men In Black and White: An Honest Conversation

Mark Hayes (00:00.686)
Alright, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. Happy 16 days after Juneteenth. That's right, I'm not celebrating the 4th of July. I refuse to celebrate what is so-called Independence Day because for my people and my lineage, it was not Independence Day. That is, in my opinion, why we had such a lackluster feeling around the 4th of July. You know, normally you see people bustling.

In and out of the grocery stores picking up steaks, hot dogs, hamburgers, whatever. even on social media, you didn't see a whole lot of fireworks flying. I know I didn't, and I was on social media most of the day yesterday. I was not outside. So, yeah, that's my opinion. I don't think people are really feeling good about the birth of a nation that is in fact in rapid decline and what we know is going to be a steak.

steep uphill climb to repair it. Roccadella standing by with his take on the Fourth of July celebrations or lack thereof. Brought very little firework activity in my neighborhood yesterday.

Brock Ganeles (01:12.624)
It was the quietest fourth of July I can ever remember. No parade in my town, which there usually was. Maybe it was canceled due to the extreme heat certainly played a factor, but I think there was a lack of enthusiasm in general headed into it because the sense even in the white community was that Trump just was wanted to turn New Year's into a MAGA event and that it was just gonna he was just gonna try to

Mark Hayes (01:17.026)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (01:37.163)
Mm-hmm.

Brock Ganeles (01:41.108)
you know, play the propaganda game all day and boost his own interests. And I think most of America just focused on other things. The World Cup, family, but there weren't I just can't there weren't big gatherings up near me. I didn't see any there were no fireworks. There's always fireworks over the Hudson River and it was barely allowed. Usually on Jan Julia

Mark Hayes (02:03.244)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (02:07.529)
July fourth, it's kinda like, my God, who's with the eighties? Here we go again with the firecrackers. You're like, who the hell's doing all this shit in their backyard? Why, why, why? There was none of it. It was the it was it was absolute quiet. And I think it was a tacit boycott that most Americans had for July fourth. So I don't think it was just black America. I think it extended well beyond.

Mark Hayes (02:11.412)
Yeah, maybe.

Mark Hayes (02:17.911)
Right.

Mark Hayes (02:27.021)
Right.

Mark Hayes (02:33.59)
I think you're right. and you know what, Brock? Should we be I don't think we should be surprised at all. Because this is the tone that has been set by this clown car cabinet and you know the MAGA contingent. I'm sick of minority rule. I'm sick of so few people having the ability to influence what was once a great nation.

Brock, do you realize right now we're not even re If we had to go to war, we couldn't win because we don't have any ammo. They said it was gonna take a year or two to replenish what we fucked up in Iran. I mean, like how stupid are you, Pete Heggseth? Right? The drunken TV host on the propaganda network emptied our arsenal and lost.

And and is that what we're supposed to celebrate for the fourth? Are we supposed to celebrate these high-ass gas prices? Are we supposed to celebrate the fact that beef and steaks are at an all-time high? You can't even go to Aldi or Costco or Sam's and get love on a four pack of steaks. That'll run you a solid Ben Franklin. What else you're gonna serve with it? Coleslaw? I mean, good God.

What are we celebrating? What do we have to celebrate? You know, I I now, you bring up some great points, you know, in our production meeting. We do have stuff to celebrate. And I think that's what happened yesterday. Because you know what I did all day, Brock? I was looking for World Cup games to watch. That's what I was doing.

Brock Ganeles (04:23.613)
Yeah, I watched them both. The biggest story in America yesterday was the Argentina Cabo Verde soccer game from Friday night. That was reverberating through it dominated social media, right? Because the world, the whole entire world watched that incredible game with one of those amazing stories of David versus Goliath and the almost

Mark Hayes (04:33.422)
Right.

Mark Hayes (04:41.347)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (04:49.634)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (04:53.459)
Biggest upset in World Cup history. It was riveting television for anyone who watched it as I did and you did Friday night. But all day Saturday was all the videos of the world commending them on the effort and the honor that they showed and what they did for their country. So it was a sports story, but it was bigger than a sports story once again. And I just feel like the eyeballs were looking for joyousness.

Mark Hayes (05:01.559)
Yeah.

Right.

Mark Hayes (05:07.97)
Yep. How about that goaltender? That goalkeeper. That goalkeeper was insane.

Mark Hayes (05:21.453)
Yep.

Brock Ganeles (05:21.489)
And we knew it wasn't gonna be down in Washington, DC on July fourth with Trump giving a you know, like basically a political rally. He's out there talking about fucking the filibuster so he can get his voter suppression act pushed through. And no one else in America wants to hear about that shit except the masked guys from Patriot Front who were also trooping around DC. But the reason we knew that there wasn't gonna be enthusiasm for it was in the last two weeks no one was showing up to that big state fair in DC.

Mark Hayes (05:28.835)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (05:33.976)
Right.

No.

Brock Ganeles (05:50.389)
There was zero enthusiasm for that. That was a foreshadowing of the fact that there was going to be zero enthusiasm for the fourth. So America, like we just talked about, America just averted its eyes and went to where there was good in the world and joyousness and camaraderie and I hopefully multiculturalism because they're you know, looking the World Cup has brought everything to our table.

Mark Hayes (05:50.519)
Right.

Mark Hayes (05:59.374)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (06:21.041)
And we're soaking it in.

Mark Hayes (06:23.08)
And Brock, how about the Cabo Verde women? Like if you didn't know how beautiful the Cabo Verde women are, just frickin' hit a hashtag. They have taken over the in they are the darlings of the internet now.

Brock Ganeles (06:39.646)
I d I hadn't known, I'd actually never heard of the country until this World Cup. I'm embarrassed to say, with all what I thought was my, you know, highfalutin education and highbrowed geography skills, I had literally never heard of it. So, lesson learned there. And yes, now I've been awoken to the the beautiful women of of Cabo Verde.

Mark Hayes (06:41.609)
Yeah.

Away. They're huge in Boston.

Mark Hayes (07:06.634)
Absolutely.

Brock Ganeles (07:06.974)
And the and the greatest goal I've seen in World Cup history and one of the top five celebrations in the history of sports. And that guy wanted to make sure that his beautiful Cabo Verdian girlfriend got the proper respect after scoring that goal.

Mark Hayes (07:13.74)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (07:22.122)
Yes sir. But look, I mean, you know, they've established themselves now. You know, they are no longer a who, they are a holy shit. And let me tell you something I'm surprised you haven't heard of because there is a huge Cape Verdean population in Boston. And I don't know how you go from the coast of Africa to Boston, 'cause those are night and day climates.

But apparently the Cape Burden community of Boston is huge and thriving. And let me tell you something, they all put on those jerseys. I've been looking on Amazon for a jersey. I can't find my size. You know. I th they don't have a a a size for fat chubby kids. But yeah.

Brock Ganeles (08:06.398)
Too big? You too big for Kate Verde?

Brock Ganeles (08:11.784)
It's one of those great stories where look, I'm look, I'm typical American white guy then, right? Like I'm being introduced to a culture, a place in a culture that I just have ignored or just rolled along in life without noticing or caring. Right? And now like it's a great, you know, sort of a great awakening. I got my introduction through sports, but that you know, the World Cup is doing that to so many Americans right now.

And as you say, we rarely, you know, so few of us actually leave our shores and go to other other countries. So the other countries have come to us. Been a huge wake-up call culturally for America. You know, d will it have any kind of lasting impact on our society and our politics? I think it will, because I think that it's all a part of the movement. It's all a part of the of the tailwind.

Mark Hayes (08:41.59)
Right.

Mark Hayes (08:49.27)
Right.

Mark Hayes (08:54.702)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (09:10.28)
behind this big movement that's going on in America.

Mark Hayes (09:14.558)
Right. Right. And and I think it's only gonna get bigger. I think that people have enjoyed this experien. And thank goodness, what is it, thirty-nine days? of just pure joy. Brock, we're only in the round of sixteen right now. Right? Wait till we get down to the final four. It's gonna be with with the way these gate like the Kate Burdian game, I mean, just imagine what the rest of the games are gonna be like. I don't wanna miss another one.

Brock Ganeles (09:42.251)
Yeah. But I feel like this is the best time because there's still thirty-two teams that are still alive. So there's still thirty-two fan bases in the country filling our bars, filling our restaurants, filling our streets. I mean, did you see the streets of Toronto with Portugal fans when Ronaldo came out on the balcony? It was like fucking Evita, right? It was just unbelievable. So there

Mark Hayes (09:57.379)
Yeah.

In say.

Brock Ganeles (10:10.054)
Obviously they're boosting our economies too, particularly at a time where America really needs it, right? 'Cause our economy've been s is so lackluster. This big injection of foreign dollars is is an absolute home run. Yeah, and I just like it, yeah, the games are gonna get better, but right now the vibe is maybe at its peak because so many of the teams are still in it and there's so many underdog stories that are still around, including the United States. Like, we're one of those underdog stories.

Mark Hayes (10:15.469)
Right.

Mark Hayes (10:21.687)
Huge.

Brock Ganeles (10:39.198)
that's still around. And I think tomorrow night's game is gonna be very galvanizing for the country. Our country. I think it will be the most watched US men's soccer game in history. The women probably have had higher rated games just 'cause they're always in the final and winning championships from the men's side. It's I think it's gonna tomorrow I think is gonna be a real cultural moment in America because it's

Mark Hayes (10:51.819)
In history. Yep.

Mark Hayes (11:01.027)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (11:08.294)
It's gonna be Super Bowl ish because everyone's rooting for one team. And every so much of America has jumped on the bandwagon because our foreign visitors have gotten us all jacked up and excited about their game.

Mark Hayes (11:10.7)
Right. Right.

Mark Hayes (11:20.396)
You're right. Well Brock, how funny is it that we have looked at them and said, Damn, we should feel that same way about our country. We we should have that kind of enthusiasm. Where's our fucking enthusi that's what happened? Right? Because we're walking around the gas prices, you know, food prices, Trump, you know, corruption, you know.

Ice, you know, Alex Predi, right? Renee good. And here they come with all this energy and all this love for their homeland. Right? And and look, out of these countries, you know, none of them can can can feign perfection. None of them can say it's

Absolutely, you know, Shangri La Dida, where we come from, but you know what? It's ours, and we love it. And that sense of pride has seemed to rub off on Americans. And America is it appears is deciding to say, you know what? I do feel good about this place. I do love this country.

And you know what? I'm gonna celebrate the best of it. And you know what? This USA national soccer team is the best of it. It's multicultural, multi-race, multi-ethnic coalition fighting for one goal. For one goal, and that is to bring home the World Cup title. Has the US ever won a World Cup title? Not to men. Right, not to men. This is it.

Brock Ganeles (13:01.544)
No, not the men. Well the women went have won of several. The men, yeah, not even close. Not even close. We've never gotten to I don't I don't think we we've never gotten to a semifinal as far as I know. Maybe if so, it was like so long ago none of us were alive. But you know, MAGA can't even root for our our World Cup team because it has Yeah, and it also has a couple players that only are national US citizens because of the Fourteenth Amendment, because they were born here. So i the exact

Mark Hayes (13:14.262)
Right. No. Multiracial.

Mark Hayes (13:27.127)
Mm-hmm.

Brock Ganeles (13:29.412)
amendment that they're that MAGA was trying to get stripped away by the Supreme Court just this week is representative of the team that we're putting on the field right now that everyone is rooting for and everyone is happy to have this squad of players representing us except MAGA can't get on board because the team's too multiracial.

Mark Hayes (13:46.862)
Right.

Mark Hayes (13:58.038)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (13:58.749)
And when you talk reference those other countries, they're all racist. They all have the problems. You pointed out the Argentina fans making racial comments at the Capo Cabo Cabo Verde fans, even though one of the one of the greatest games of all time. All those European countries are racist. They all have immigration problems. They're all dealing with right wing movements that are trying to Brexit ties their countries. But those citizens of those countries

Mark Hayes (14:04.012)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (14:09.591)
Yeah.

Right.

Mark Hayes (14:17.851)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (14:28.552)
I think feel as though that they're moving in the right direction.

Mark Hayes (14:34.774)
Right. Right.

Brock Ganeles (14:36.402)
And I think that's the difference between them and us. No one's where they need to be, but we're going backwards.

Mark Hayes (14:38.794)
And us.

Mark Hayes (14:44.588)
Yep. At a record pace. At a record pace, Brock. And think about think about the storyline going into the American game tomorrow. The US national team game. Right? We got the red card reversal. So our best striker will be on the field for us. And you know, and again, it's like you said, Super Bowl-ish.

But the best part is, you know, win in advance. It's kind of like the NCAA tournament and the Super Bowl and, you know, the World Series all rolled up into one, you know, with more than one game. and look, you know, I I don't know if you got a chance to catch that documentary on HBO, but I'm telling you, bro, they they've got some amazing stories on that soccer team. The the the goaltender, Matt Turner.

Like he was on ESPN's not top ten. And he's now representing the world. And he talked about that, broh. And because you know what? You see ESPN's not top ten and you wonder what happened to those athletes. Right? Because they never do a follow up. You know, five years later, where is he now?

You know, the guy might be some, you know, phenomenal goaltender or something, but gave up a goal that bounced off his head and ended up, you know, as the number one, not top ten player. Right? But Matt Turner is representing this country's one. He's probably one of the top goalkeepers in the world. He are he arguably is. And this guy has a story like you wouldn't believe. Our team captain has an amazing story.

He's biracial, grew up in a family with a white stepfather and four white brothers.

Brock Ganeles (16:37.383)
I thought he was a white guy. so he's a

Mark Hayes (16:39.82)
He's biracial. Yeah, his mom is white, his stepdad is white, and his stepdad's four sons are white. So they all grew up as one family. You should have seen them playing touch football out in the yard together. Like, and you know what? You d there was no difference between any of that. It w it was it was five brothers throwing the football in the yard and talking about how much they meant to each other.

Right? And the dad the dad wasn't in his light. It would y I mean just Yes.

Brock Ganeles (17:11.326)
And that's what America wants to hear, right? These are the stories. This is like really what the New York Knicks triggered because they were such a good story and such a friendship and brotherhood story. And America is now becoming addicted to these types of stories, in contrast to the arguments about the filibuster and who gets to vote and who is really an American. And

Mark Hayes (17:19.03)
Right. Right.

Mark Hayes (17:26.956)
Yes Yes.

Mark Hayes (17:37.495)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (17:37.895)
And all these arguments by MAGA to narrow definitions and narrow who has the rights, freedoms, and opportunities in America versus these broader tent stories of people that are cross-mult cross-cultural, cross-racial, and even when they aren't, they're they're brothers in arms because they're all fighting for a common goal.

Mark Hayes (17:59.182)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (18:06.91)
to where as we know as former teammates, when you're out on the field the court w with with your teammates, you don't give a buck what race, color, religion, creed they are. You're there to win. And I think American fans, American citizens just want to see a country that's there to win.

Mark Hayes (18:17.121)
Nothing matters.

Mark Hayes (18:24.142)
Brock.

Mark Hayes (18:30.402)
Brock, I've never forgotten the line from my senior year, your junior season. I got three blacks and two Jews. What am I supposed to do with you guys? And we were winning. We were winning. And so

Brock Ganeles (18:43.23)
Yeah, right, 'cause the a the answer was you don't have to do anything.

Mark Hayes (18:46.538)
Right. Right. All you have to do is pass the water bottle. Pass a water fucking bottle. Yeah. Right. And and and you know the funny thing is, Brock, I got up from that time out and I said to Rick, I said, Who's Jewish? I said, Is Fiddle Jewish? I said, I I I didn't know I don't know who's Jewish. What are you talking about?

Brock Ganeles (18:49.898)
Show up. Just show up just show up. Show show up and don't fuck it up. We'll be fine.

Mark Hayes (19:13.678)
I couldn't do the math under that kind of stress. I was worried more worried about the game than figuring out who was black and who was Jewish. But yeah, so, you know, again, it's the unification that sports brings. It's like, why, you know, when a season is over and you know, everybody goes their separate way. You miss the locker room. You know, I miss the knee football games at your house in the basement, right? You miss the togetherness.

Brock Ganeles (19:17.428)
Mm-hmm.

Brock Ganeles (19:43.381)
But I'm gonna say the unification that sports can bring. Because we as we talked about on Friday, right? The WNBA right now is like fractured by race. And one of the big stories over the weekend in sports was also the trade of Jalen Brown from the Celtics to the Sixers. And then the leaking out post trade of the stories that maybe Jalen Brown is too smart.

Mark Hayes (19:43.746)
And

Can bring, correct. Right.

Mark Hayes (19:53.962)
Mm-hmm.

Mark Hayes (20:03.788)
Right.

Mark Hayes (20:11.926)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (20:13.726)
He needed to go 'cause he's too smart. So back when I was playing as a white guy, being told you were a smart player, smart person, high IQ was generally deemed to be a positive trait and what teams and coaches were looking for. But Jalen Brown's too smart.

Mark Hayes (20:16.141)
Come on.

How is that a

Mark Hayes (20:29.09)
That was a bonus.

Mark Hayes (20:37.292)
That was bonus.

Brock Ganeles (20:40.616)
Never heard a white player described as too being too smart. Being too smart.

Mark Hayes (20:43.032)
Get that criticism. You're you're you're getting you're getting criticized for being too smart. Make it make sense.

Make it make sense. Like we can't, you know?

Brock Ganeles (20:57.32)
And I think I think what it means is too free thinking, too opinionated, to to to questioning of the status quo. I mean I think Jalen Brown is being painted as something of a democratic socialist in the NBA. Someone who who asks some questions about why things are as they are and doesn't just shut up and dribble.

Mark Hayes (21:01.324)
Right. Right.

To intimidate it.

Mark Hayes (21:18.04)
The NBA.

Mark Hayes (21:27.405)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (21:27.602)
and not bring up controversial topics. And organizations, ownerships, don't like that, particularly in their black athletes. So sometimes sports can bring things together, but sometimes sports just magnifies the issues that are going on in society and becomes just a very broad-based mirror for the exact issues we see across the board.

Mark Hayes (21:36.704)
No. Nope.

Mark Hayes (21:55.767)
Right. Right. Which is which is sad. you know, Boston's had its history, you know, and issues with race. you would think they would have moved along from that by now. but, you know, there are pockets where it still exists. there are organizations where it still rears its ugly head. you know, I my whole opinion of of the New England area

Especially Boston changed when a guy from Southie took my son under his wing and turned him into a phenomenal college hockey player. Right? He was a phenomenal well, a phenomenal prep school player and and got him into major college hockey. and I'm still friends with him to this day. I met him while he was watching a tournament. He handed me his business card and he said, You know what?

I really like the way your son plays. I'd love to coach him. I'm not gonna bug you, but if you want him to be a good hockey player, here's my card. I came home and I told his mom, I said, I found the guy who our son's gonna play for. And I said, load up the car. We're going up to Boston and he's gonna play for Coach Wright.

And matter of fact, Coach Wright played with Travis Roy at BU. He was on the team when Travis Roy hurt himself and then ultimately passed away from his injury in that game. They were teammates. Travis Roy actually spoke at my son's prep school because Coach Wright got him to come up and talk to the student body. He drove himself up.

From the Boston area in the snow into the White Mountains in New Hampshire, hour and a half drive. A man who was paralyzed and neck down. It was these kinds of lessons that helped shape my son into the man he is today. A responsible father, a responsible human being. One of the best fathers I've ever seen. Loves his daughters like nobody's business. And you know what? Coach Wright had daughters and taught my son how to be a father to little girls.

Mark Hayes (24:13.218)
And I am so appreciative of that man from you know Charlestown, which is famous for its, you know, the number of bank robbers it's produced, right? And it's racism against busing back in the 70s. So, you know, look, it's here, it's there, but you know, as people, I think when we get this leadership turned around, Brock.

Brock Ganeles (24:26.346)
Yeah. The tap?

Mark Hayes (24:42.232)
People will come with us. We already know sixty nine percent of the country's coming with us.

Brock Ganeles (24:46.794)
But we gotta we're gonna have to talk about narratives as they're created, and they need to be they need to be confronted at in the moment as they the as they happen. Like, why is Jalen Brown being like painted negatively for being too smart or even too opinionated or having political opinions? They're gonna say the same thing about Victor Wemanyaya. I'll tell you right now, he has opinions on shit. And we're gonna have to we're gonna hear his opinions for the next 10, 15, maybe 20 years. And

Mark Hayes (24:53.228)
Right.

Right.

Mark Hayes (25:07.116)
Yep. Yep.

Mark Hayes (25:13.416)
Yep. Yep. Feast stays healthy? Right.

Brock Ganeles (25:15.496)
What are you gonna say about it, right? People complained, what Kareem Abdul Jabbar had too many opinions. So did Jim Brown, right? So did Muhammad Ali. But they're usually the people that are ahead of their time are the ones that in the moment are considered to have too many opinions. Colin Kaepernick had too many opinions, right? People didn't like the way Shador Sanders went about his business, never did anything wrong, but because he was monetizing the system, because he because he had a strong social media presence.

Mark Hayes (25:20.64)
Opinions. Right.

Yep.

Yeah.

Mark Hayes (25:33.496)
Right.

Mark Hayes (25:45.207)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (25:46.185)
Well, now everyone's fighting to have a strong social media presence because it's a monetizable quality. So Mandani said something interesting in his speech, the one he gave on Friday ahead of Trump's debac Saturday, where he was like, you know, we honor patriots. This is what stuck with me. He said something about like patriots are the protesters that are often ten years ahead of their time.

Mark Hayes (25:49.504)
Mm-hmm.

Mark Hayes (26:10.356)
Right. Right.

Brock Ganeles (26:12.072)
Because the people that are ahead of their time generally have slings and arrows shot at them today and then in retrospect they're looked at differently. But we're gonna have to fight those we're gonna have to fight these denigrating narratives as they happen in the moment.

Mark Hayes (26:17.944)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (26:28.302)
Right.

It's awful. you know, the fact that we allowed these people to commandeer our country is really frustrating. All right, give me the quick hit so we can get up out of here. What do you got for me?

Brock Ganeles (26:45.866)
I have a couple quick hits for you. Speaking of there being no middle of the road, that you need to pick a side. Either you're MAGA or you're not. And on the Democratic side of the ledger right now, I believe that we're moving towards a scenario where on the left, you're gonna have to pick a side.

of either being progressive or being in essence a mega light centrist. Mar Mallory McMahon in Michigan running for Senate tried to run in a lane

Mark Hayes (27:24.398)
Right.

Mark Hayes (27:30.294)
Mm.

Brock Ganeles (27:32.965)
In between Abdul al Saeed, the Democratic Socialist Progressive candidate, and Haley Stephen, Chuck Schumer's middle of the road status quo candidate, and she tried to find a middle ground between those two. The problem was in the polling, she didn't find any voters there. So she dropped out of she dropped out of the race today.

Mark Hayes (27:45.55)
Right.

Mark Hayes (27:57.718)
Yeah.

Right.

Brock Ganeles (28:01.962)
Well that's now a two horse race. So not only do I now believe that there's no middle ground right and left, I think there's no middle ground in the Democratic Party. You're on board the democratic socialist progressive movement or you're not, and you there is no having a foot in both camps.

Mark Hayes (28:04.109)
Right.

Mark Hayes (28:21.108)
Right, right. I I I I'm with you there. I totally agree. you're either with common sense policies that are being called socialist and progressive, or you're on the outside looking in because we don't need you. we we need the ninety nine percent to be addressed. We need to stop caring about the one percent and the trickle down that has never trickled down anywhere.

You know, the only thing that's ever trickled down is the fucking champagne that's burst on the side of these new fucking yachts that these mega fucking billionaires are buying on a regular basis and fucking christening left and right. Arthur Blank just bought a two hundred million dollar fucking yacht. How many does he fucking need? I mean good grief. I mean Arthur Blank does a lot of good stuff, but more can be done if they paid their fair fucking share.

Could he have could he have not spent two fifty on the yacht and paid two hundred for a yacht and still got a nice one? Me thinks he can. And put fifty million to our taxes. How about that? How about we use that fifty million in the state of fucking Georgia to get these schools going?

I mean, Brock, look at the southern schools. Where it's the bottom ten. The southern schools are all in the bottom. Start in Kentucky and work your way down. North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama. None of them.

Brock Ganeles (29:57.739)
Look if you're gonna let if you're gonna let so much of the money flow to so few people, then society is beholden to their benevolence and the causes that they care about. And the causes that they care about, not the greater good for all of us. So either they're gonna spend that money on themselves, which is certainly gonna spend a good chunk of it, then they're gonna do what you like you said, some good things, right? There'll be name on there'll be a name on a hospital wing.

Mark Hayes (30:07.598)
Boom. Right.

Brock Ganeles (30:26.346)
You know, there'll be maybe some money given to cancer research here or there, right? No one's all bad. There's probably some money leaking out into some, you know, causes for the greater good that matter to them. But why should they have that optionality to determine and move the needle as to where the resources go versus in essence really basically the government having more of the money and allocating it out?

Mark Hayes (30:31.48)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (30:38.603)
Right.

Mark Hayes (30:53.08)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (30:56.266)
closer to the will of the people and hopefully for the good of the broader number of people.

Mark Hayes (31:03.754)
Right. Right.

Brock Ganeles (31:05.192)
That's democratic socialism tax policy argument right there.

Mark Hayes (31:09.75)
In a nutshell. In a nutshell. Yep. A couple of yahoos with screaming capability are able to point that out. Fucking amazing. also, the calls are coming from inside the house. Ty Cobb. Remember Ty Cobb with the handlebar mustache? Freak show? he said that Trump earning over a billion dollars in crypto ventures is the greatest.

Brock Ganeles (31:26.762)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (31:36.963)
Greatest onslaught of corruption in the history of mankind. Now, see, you have these conservatives coming out of the woods that are saying, actually, what the fuck? And how is this happening? And that's and because how does this play into conservative value? See, he's hijacked the party to the point where it's now become a criminal enterprise.

And now these conservatives are looking back and saying, W Well shit, I didn't get any money. Well, I got a little bit, but I didn't get as much as him.

Brock Ganeles (32:11.59)
I appreciate that Ty Cobb is making that statement now, but when he was White House counsel, it was during the era that Jared and others sidestepped FBI background checks, got massive access, and this shit was going on in Trump's first term, just not to the scale it's going on now.

Mark Hayes (32:18.508)
Doing shit.

Brock Ganeles (32:37.95)
But all these shenanigans were happening then. This is when they were learning the game and how to rig the system and they just didn't know they could do it at such a large scale. They learned during the Ty Cobb era, so where was he then?

Mark Hayes (32:43.01)
Yeah. Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (32:55.016)
They learned in the Ty Cobb Trump one dot era and now they've perfected the corruption in Trump two dot Arguably the only thing they're good at. So thank you, Ty Cobb. We appreciate it. Better late than never.

Mark Hayes (33:12.064)
Right, but where were you when we needed ya? That's the problem. All right, buddy, great place to wrap. We'll do it again. USA versus Belgium tomorrow. I think we got a good shot. let's go. Tyler Adams in the crew. My favorite captain of any sport. Love that kid. Clean him up or raise him as my own. He's awesome. I might I'm gonna have to get me a Tyler Adams jersey. Alright, bro. Revolution.

Brock Ganeles (33:40.554)
All right, Mark. Always a pleasure. Keep up the fight. Talk to you.

Mark Hayes (33:42.54)
All right. Talk at ya. Peace.