2 Men In Black and White: An Honest Conversation

Mark Hayes (00:00.686)
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. Like and subscribe. Two men in black and white. All right, main Democrats up in arms with Susan Collins, who's concerned after the fatal ice shooting up there in that state. the Strait of War moves blocked again. Donald Trump back for taco, chicken and out. He he can't make up his mind. we've got the Iran war again heating up. we got big action. Is that an upset? Maybe we'll check in in just a second to find out with the World Cup.

And Eegene Carroll gets paid. Let's go shopping. All right, let's check in with Brockanellis and see what's happening. Brock, nothing I would like more than Eegene Carroll to go back to. What's that? What was the store? Was it Macy's or Bloomingdale's? What's what store? Bergdolf Goodman? I forget which store she was accosted at. But I would love for her to go back and just take all 5.6 million and

Buy clothing for needy black and brown people. That would really hack Trump off. I mean, just just 5.6 million splurge-worthy dollars for needy black and brown women and children. That would be just the ultimate up your ass, Trump. And then where's my 88 million?

Brock Ganeles (01:23.389)
Now she has said with the eighty eight million that at least some portion of that was was gonna be targeted to go to other women that had court cases and have had similar situations. So she has already sort of expressed a desire to be, you know, altruistic with the money as she gets it. I don't know why she's only getting five out of the eighty eight. I'm not following this that closely. Yeah, I know Trump is fighting tooth and nail and still trying to pretend like he didn't.

Mark Hayes (01:46.39)
Make more sense.

Brock Ganeles (01:52.904)
Assaulter.

Mark Hayes (01:54.479)
B S it's B S.

Brock Ganeles (01:56.169)
But

Brock Ganeles (01:59.901)
He did. But I can't help you on w what store it was at. I I'm not.

Mark Hayes (02:03.36)
Yeah. Yeah, you know, I I just I'm I'm still amazed that this fucking guy is president of the United States after all the credible allegations, after all the Epstein files. Remember, his name is in the Epstein files more times than Jesus' name is in the Bible. There you go. That's all we need to know. but let's move on. there are other bigger fish to fry.

including stocks rising. So I asked you about this in the editorial meeting. Please help me understand. How are stocks rising when beef is at an all-time high? Job numbers are terrible. you know, gas prices have come down a little bit, but they're gonna jump again. We know that with whatever is going on in the Strait of Hormuz.

Brock Ganeles (02:55.86)
I would guess it's speculation that the oil tankers are gonna be able to work their way through the strait because Trump said that the Strait of Hormuz is open. He floated the idea of America taking a tax on ships going through that didn't go over that well in the international community, so he stepped away from that. I'd have to guess that that's the most likely reason. The other is some companies are reporting their financial results.

Particularly the banks. And the banks are absolutely killing it, which is usually a sign of a healthy economy. But I don't think that's how the banks are making their money right now. So I think they made a lot of it on the volatility and the trading. I don't think they've made it on actual lending and positive economic growth. So look, that's just me speculating. I hate following the markets day in and day out. I did that for twenty years.

Mark Hayes (03:37.942)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (03:52.879)
And y you can't always explain you can't always explain what went on. 'Cause there'll be a there'll be a quote in the Wall Street Journal tomorrow of some Yahoo giving like a tried and true aggressive explanation of what's going on. And sometimes that Yahoo sometimes that Yahoo was me, 'cause they would call up like now at like five o'clock and ask why the markets were up and I'd give the kind of bullshit answer I just gave to you.

Mark Hayes (04:09.75)
Mm.

Brock Ganeles (04:19.614)
Except it would go in the Wall Street Journal the next day and people would actually read it and probably believe it. But like so like so much of American life, it was all just an old white guy spewing some bullshit.

Mark Hayes (04:32.782)
Well well here's the thing, Brock. You know, so many people put so much stock in the stock market, right? And and and it's supposed to be a measure well, people think it's supposed to be a measure of how well the economy is cooking, but you know, it sounds like that ain't the case.

Brock Ganeles (04:53.256)
Well, businesses can do well over a short to medium term time frame when the general populace isn't doing well. Like the companies can still do well. They can fire people and they usually get rewarded for that because that's gonna help their margins because they're quote cutting costs. Well, the people that got fired are now gonna be facing homelessness. But in the short term, the financial markets view that as a victory for the company that announced it.

Over time, economies break, stocks crash, companies go bankrupt, and then we bail them out. So it's a it's a cycle we play through over and over.

Mark Hayes (05:35.675)
Right. Right, right. We've seen it a thousand times. but you know what's funny is that you know the banks get bailed out, you know, the auto companies get bailed out, Wall Street gets bailed out. The American people never get bailed out. We just fucking suffer the consequences. We deal with, you know, the repercussions of the bailouts, which is the worst part. And, you know, and no one seems to say anything about it.

Right? Like you never hear Americans up in arms. We're sick of everybody else getting bailed out except Americans. I mean, it's insane.

Brock Ganeles (06:10.494)
People are told, you know, just stop buying coffee, don't don't buy expensive lunches. You I mean, do you see some of the advice that's given to people from like million millionaires and billionaires, you know, lecturing other people on on more fiscal responsibility? That's I I would argue this the American public has been conditioned to be told that they need to bootstrap. But we all need to subsidize and support.

Mark Hayes (06:17.57)
Ha ha ha.

Right.

Brock Ganeles (06:39.012)
our corporations and our financial markets, because they need your support, but you, you're kinda on your own, rugged individualism, and if it doesn't work out for you, it's cause you didn't work hard enough and you just need to, you know, put your nose to the grindstone a little bit more. I mean it's been phenomenal messaging by the wealthy class in America. I only hope that it's starting to break because of the

Mark Hayes (07:04.184)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (07:08.594)
mm concentration of wealth that's going on right now, that there is a backlash against that mentality and no one wants to hear it anymore. And I get a sense that this younger generation does not want to be lectured to about how they just need to work harder and the like when they're, you know, coming out of colleges with, you know, very few job opportunities. They're being told AI is going to take all the good jobs and they they're looking at

Mark Hayes (07:12.332)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (07:36.136)
thirty years before they even have the dream of owning like a home. And they don't even think about owning cars anymore 'cause they're like, pho fuck it. You know, even that's too expensive for So in the long term economies break.

Mark Hayes (07:43.084)
I don't more externally different.

Mark Hayes (07:48.013)
Well, what is it? The average payment. Right. And the average car payment is what, seven fifty now? Ha like who can afford that, bruh? My my first car payment was like $179 and I was dying. I was right out of college. I was dying. It forced me to move back home. $180. Was killing me. So, you know, to be paying $750 as a grown ass adult.

Just blows me away. Right? Like that's that's not a budget friendly item at all. I don't care what your budget is, that's a budget breaker, a budget buster by any measure of fiscal responsibility. And you know, and that's why I like versatility of fuck, because you can stick it anywhere.

Brock Ganeles (08:34.153)
What?

Brock Ganeles (08:38.782)
Well think about like the life, right? Thousand dollar car payment, at least two grand to live, probably three. Let's call it three. We'll call it two we'll three grand. Health insurance at least a grand, four grand, right? So at this point, you haven't eaten yet, right? It's gotta be at least five hundred dollars to a thousand to eat, even at the bare bones, ramen noodles.

Mark Hayes (08:51.811)
Boom.

Brock Ganeles (09:04.904)
Five nights a week type of eating, right? So you're so let's say you're at forty five hundred to five grand. So that means you need to be making sixty grand. Means you need to be taking home sixty grand, which means you be need to be making about ninety, right? Just to break even. You're not putting a dollar away, nest egg, nothing, nights of drinking, fun and games, anything outside, going on a date.

Mark Hayes (09:17.314)
Which means you need to be making nine

Mark Hayes (09:22.796)
Get by. Right.

Mark Hayes (09:30.198)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (09:34.269)
Out the window. So who's looking you know, how many who's making that? Who's coming out of school and making that? That's why everyone's living at home, right? Because they gotta get they can't pay that two thousand. And the beauty of the ACA was that you could stay on your parents' health insurance, you got to save on that a thousand. And that's the only way people are able to live any semblance of a life. Younger people. So they're looking at what's going on in the economy in the stock market. They don't have a penny

Mark Hayes (09:34.7)
Again.

Mark Hayes (09:40.536)
Right.

Mark Hayes (09:56.952)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (10:02.142)
to their name. They certainly not owning stocks.

Mark Hayes (10:03.822)
No. And and and Brock, remember there are no pensions anymore. I mean, which what companies are still giving out pensions, right? So it's not like you're signing up with a company that you're gonna work for for 35 years and retire with. I mean, that ain't happening anymore. So, you know, it's it's just it's a bleak outlook. and that's why you're hearing a lot of people say, Hey.

Why am I going to college? I might as well jump on AI and figure out how to start my own business and save myself 250K. I mean, it's it's a reasonable conversation to have at this point. I mean, you know, Q

Brock Ganeles (10:48.614)
Yeah, I just think it's a v yeah. I still think that's a really high risk. That's like saying, Hey, I sh why don't I stay home and play guitar and maybe I'll become a great guitar player and then I can make get in a band and make an album and make my money that way. 'Cause I just think that the odds of success of just hopping on AI and starting a business and being successful, I just think it's likely pretty low. I guess if if you're young, you don't have as much to lose, but

then your business goes bankrupt and now what? You're someone in your mid to late twenties with no college degree and the only thing you have on your resume is I jumped on AI and started a business and it didn't work out. I don't know. I could be wrong. Maybe in f si maybe in five to ten years that's gonna be, you know, what employers are looking for. If there's any employers left. They're like, no, we got we have we built a robot to do that job. Sorry.

Mark Hayes (11:31.04)
Right. That's a good point.

Mark Hayes (11:42.06)
Yeah. I

Mark Hayes (11:46.223)
Well I I I guess I dumbed it down a little bit. Maybe you need to have a plan before you just jump on AI. All right, let's move on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. all right, Maine. Maine. Okay, Brock, I'm looking at the video of protesters up there. I don't see a lot of black and brown protesters in Maine.

Brock Ganeles (11:52.776)
Ha ha ha.

Brock Ganeles (11:58.311)
No, but if people have a good business all right, go ahead, we'll move on.

Mark Hayes (12:14.57)
Isn't that weird? White folks are out and they are pissed off. And their signs are saying, stop the goddamn killing in Maine. Like, we hardly ever hear about crime and you know raping and pillaging in Maine. It's gotta be one of the lowest crime places on the earth, just because simply because it's too cold to live up there and to be outside robbing people.

I mean, what the hell is going on in Maine that you've got to kill somebody because you suspect them of being here illegally? It's a joke.

Brock Ganeles (12:57.556)
I saw a story today. There's really all there's there's less than a thousand Latinos in in all of Maine. Is that possible? Can't be possible. Maybe it's less than a million or something like that. But it's a very it's a low number in terms of the overall populace. So is ICE just running around literally stopping and harassing and intimidating every single Latino person in Maine? It sounds like that was the mandate. Go to Maine.

Mark Hayes (13:10.03)
Right.

Mark Hayes (13:21.932)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (13:25.443)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (13:26.128)
and terrorize that community. It is very encouraging in a Minneapolis way to see the peop the white people of Maine out on the streets. It was just 48 hours ago that we were bemoaning the fact that we hadn't seen real protests since Minneapolis. And that was a good five, six months ago in the cold winter days. So now in these hot summer days to have white America out there

Mark Hayes (13:28.823)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (13:46.722)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (13:55.657)
That encourages me that there is a movement going on in America. That encourages me that the main voters weren't tied to Graham Platner and don't give a shit and are just waiting for the Democrats to plug in candidate B, John Doe. They don't care. They just want that person and that there is that this is also an anti-Susan Collins sentiment that out there on the streets.

Mark Hayes (14:13.206)
Right. Right.

Mark Hayes (14:23.427)
yeah.

Brock Ganeles (14:24.178)
because she voted for the funding of ICE for that additional seventy billion or so. So she's wearing this murder in plain daylight.

Mark Hayes (14:36.01)
Right. And now we've got Trump officials saying, you know, let's stop, you know, pulling people over because, you know, we want to administer the death penalty when we think they're here illegally. Well, we shut that down until all this stuff blows by. But see, this is the this is America's fault. This is our fault for letting it blow by. We should blow things up. We should be at the Capitol.

Making Donald Trump's life an absolute miserable experience from 1600 Pennsylvania down to shitty ass bed bug ridden Mar-Lago. When he comes to Mar-Lago, we should be harassing and making his life difficult. We should be lying in the streets so his motorcade can't get back to the airport. We should be doing the exact same thing, gumming up the works on Capitol Hill and at the White House.

To make sure he understands, look, America's not going for your bullshit, right? You know, what do we expect him to say, you know, to in this address tomorrow night? He he doesn't have anything to say that's going to allay the fears of the American people. You know, like Lorenzo Arroyo, who is an American, right? 35 years he's been here. I don't care if he has paperwork or not.

The guy's been here paying into the system, that ought to count for something. I mean, you know, what the fuck do you expect people to do? I don't have any problem, Brock, with anybody coming to the US who's looking for a better way of life and willing to work for it. I don't have any fucking problem with that. I don't have any fucking problem with that. And you will hear white immigrants, because I've heard them.

White immigrants from South Africa told me, you know, they didn't like these brown people and the Mexicans and other Latinos coming to America because they paid a whole bunch of money. Right? It's that classism from white South Africa. What do you expect from a white South African? It's the same way Elon came here, right? He paid a bunch of money. Fuck.

Brock Ganeles (17:00.082)
Well if we're gonna talk let's go to where Trump is gonna go on Thursday night. Right. He is going to carve out an hour of the nation's time and come on and give an address to the nation. And all signs seem to be that this address has nothing to do with what can be done to improve the welfare of the quality of life in America.

Mark Hayes (17:06.647)
Okay.

Brock Ganeles (17:26.866)
that he's going to focus his comments on the fact that the twenty twenty election was stolen from him and therefore we have a broken election system for which he alone can fix it and he's gonna already be sowing the seeds of doubt in our electoral system so that the the game starts to get played that

Mark Hayes (17:53.25)
Here we go.

Brock Ganeles (17:56.071)
Either well, you but they've already been playing the game right with the mail and ballots in the courts and he's been losing in the courts. So now he's gonna go over the top of the courts to the public and say that we have unfair elections and that he needs to do something about it and the federal government net needs to step in, which means he's gonna either manipulate this election and or or probably both deny the election results after they happen. So that's the g game that Trump is about to lay out.

Mark Hayes (18:00.248)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (18:25.82)
In front of us.

Mark Hayes (18:27.742)
Right. It it it's a jump.

Brock Ganeles (18:29.448)
What are we g what's America gonna do with that? Are we gonna just swallow that and accept that as the the state of play?

Mark Hayes (18:36.256)
and and and and revisit twenty twenty again? Brock, it is twenty twenty six, closer to twenty twenty seven. We're seven years removed from this shit. What are you talking about, you feeble old lunatic? Right? Like look, I you gotta give credit for playing America for stupid, right? All all this fuckery.

You know, has replaced the conversation around the Epstein files and his actual criminal wrongdoing. that is why he will do anything, say anything to keep from having to leave office, because he knows he gets that straight to jail card from the fucking monopoly board. that's all he's got coming if he is removed from office.

Brock Ganeles (19:29.81)
We can't control what Trump does yet, but we can certainly con we can certainly impact what people on the left do. The resistance, Democrats. So there's a couple things sitting in front of them. Number one is Todd Blanche needs is is up for you know ratification by the Senate because he's the acting DOJ head. Todd Blanche is in that seat for one reason to block the Epstein files. If it

Mark Hayes (19:33.121)
Right.

Mark Hayes (19:38.283)
Right. Right.

Mark Hayes (19:55.722)
Exactly.

Brock Ganeles (19:56.627)
Democratic senator even has a hint of thinking that they're gonna vote for Todd Blanche, they should know that they're writing the death knell for their career. But they would only feel that way if they felt the voters were strong enough and smart enough and with had enough conviction to start voting them out of office. The only thing that can go j just like

Mark Hayes (20:07.979)
Right.

Mark Hayes (20:20.494)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (20:23.784)
We could we sh we can look back and see any Democrat that voted in favor of that funding for DHS. They're wearing these deaths. There's no reason a Democrat should have voted in favor of that funding. There's zero reason. They should be every single one of them should be voted voted against in the primary. And that's something that that the left can do right now is vote against those.

Mark Hayes (20:51.062)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (20:52.712)
Those incumbents in their local primaries. And let's start sweeping out these middle-of-the-road MAGA-Light Democrats. Because you can't have a resistance party that's holding hands and playing footsie with the fascist party. And that's why the comments of Booker and Klobuchar were so fucking absurd yesterday on Lindsey Graham. Like, that is not where the party needs to be. We need to sweep out, quote, leaders.

Mark Hayes (21:09.88)
Right.

Mark Hayes (21:14.977)
It's a

Brock Ganeles (21:22.324)
Because they're the ones we're voting in or representatives is a better term, right? Representatives. That's not representation of the rank and file. Voting for DHN spending is not representation of the rank and file. And that's what the resistance needs to do is change the faces, change the people who are in positions of influence representing us. And then in mass we have to hit the streets to deal with Trump.

Mark Hayes (21:26.763)
Okay.

Mark Hayes (21:36.49)
Rob

Mark Hayes (21:51.777)
Right. Absolutely. All right. So we know what's on our plate there. before we run out of time, let's get to the latest on Nolan Wells. apparently the pressure has gotten to the sheriff out in Jackson County, John Ledbetter says he's conducting interviews with witnesses and has been in contact with other agencies, including the FBI. So, you know, Ledbetter says he's gotten a lot of tips from the public, as you might imagine.

because if social media is any indication of how people feel about this case, they gotta be flooding the tip lines down there in Jackson County and the FBI and any other what is it, the Mississippi State Law Enforcement Agency like SLED in South Carolina or the GBI, Georgia Bureau of Investigation here in Atlanta.

Brock Ganeles (22:46.557)
Have authorities been out on that boat yet? I mean that that boat should have y yellow tape around it, right? That should be like a crime a potential crime scene. I don't know. I w I haven't seen photos of that. So to me it already feels like a half assed effort and the fact that it required this public pressure for them to quote do interviews is kind of, you know, comical and just and just feeds into the narrative and the likelihood that

Mark Hayes (22:49.43)
Hmm. Good question.

Mark Hayes (22:55.778)
Being seized.

Mark Hayes (23:01.357)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (23:15.795)
They just thought it could all go away. They could sweep it under the rug and no one would care about the death of a black kid in Mississippi. That's certainly what the the judge who's the kid's mother thought, right? Just, you know, clean the boat, drop the phone, clean the boat, everyb scrub your social media and everybody shut the fuck up and this thing'll go away. That that

Mark Hayes (23:27.31)
Uh-huh.

Mark Hayes (23:36.308)
Right. Right. Which is

Brock Ganeles (23:38.141)
That was the game plan. That that that sounds like the locker room speech that was given to you know, the w the white white community in this in this i i southern Mississippi.

Mark Hayes (23:43.33)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (23:46.808)
Yeah.

Well that was the Mississippi burning. That was the Mississippi Burning edict. Remember the church meeting? Everybody shut up. Everybody stop talking. That was their mantra back then in the sixties. And now it was, you know, stop posting, stop talking. Yeah, stop posting, you know, clean clean scrub.

Brock Ganeles (24:06.783)
Stop posting.

Mark Hayes (24:12.258)
your social media. What they don't realize, Brock, and I know from 30 years in television news, is that we can find all those posts. There is software that can go into your social media and get your very first post. We can get it all. So you know if the national media was on their job and really gave a shit about advocating for black and brown America, advocating for the little guy, if they were given permission to

by the power structure, that's what would be happening. But it's not because we know who's controlling, right? The levers of power at ABC, NBC. I mean, need we mention CBS? You know, thank goodness for the Don Lemons of the world, the Roland Martins of the world, the Joy Reeds of the world, those people who have been, you know, ostracized by mainstream media because of their melanin.

and and over infusion of it and are now free to report and free to say exactly what the facts look like instead of having to whitewash them.

Brock Ganeles (25:28.541)
I mean, shouldn't the police have just already asked for access to the social media accounts that have been scrubbed and then the kids will say no. Their lawyers will say no, but then the question will be like, you know, why not? So then they would have to move towards a grand jury and an indictment to subpoena those records. So y they're accessible by the authorities if they choose to go down the path that allows them to get access. And the question is why wouldn't

Mark Hayes (25:34.124)
Absolutely.

Mark Hayes (25:45.932)
Right. Right.

Brock Ganeles (25:58.068)
They and there's really only one reason would be because they don't want to get to the truth. So I'm glad that I'm glad the sheriff gave some sort of indication that something is going on, but I'm not satisfied with the effort.

Mark Hayes (25:59.459)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (26:05.451)
Exactly.

Mark Hayes (26:17.44)
No, not at all. Not at all. It's it's it's a poor and putrid effort. And you know, as the father of black sons, you know, it angers me once again. And that's why when White America says to me, What are you so mad about? Who what do you think I'm mad about? I walk around every day worried.

That my my young men will be mistaken for or brutalized in the penal system, or someone will take liberty and meet out punishment on the streets of the country that we have citizenship in just because of their racism and white supremacist attitude. That's why I'm angry every day.

And if you don't understand that, walk a mile in my shoes. Ask me what it's like for people to follow me around in the store. Ask me what it's like to be mistaken for someone else. Ask me what it's like, right? For for someone to say, no, you can't date my daughter because you've got too much melanin. Like I'm less than a human being.

I can't tell you how many times that happened to me in high school. I had no prom date. Right? I you you can you you miss out on some of you know the greatest opportunities to create memories in your life just because you're in a Nolan Wells situation like I was back in 1983 in high school. Right? I was the I was Nolan Wells around a group of white guys.

Right? I Brah. I I once I once had one of our friends who you know well say to me, my senior year in high school, why do you keep trying to talk to the hot white girls? Why don't you go after some of the ones that are not so pretty? As as if as as if you know, I I would be more attracted because of my melanin to

Mark Hayes (28:40.832)
A white woman that is less attractive. Like what?

Brock Ganeles (28:44.595)
Well, Mar I mean Noan w No Nolan Wells may be dead because he was talking to a white woman for all we know. We don't know what triggered we don't know what triggered the incident. We don't know what what would have escalated this to why did someone want him dead in the moment, right? What as as likely as anything else was a situation around what gets people emotional?

Mark Hayes (28:55.064)
We don't know. Yep.

Mark Hayes (29:02.668)
Yeah.

Right.

Brock Ganeles (29:12.231)
Right, would have been a situation around a woman. But I also wanted to get back to what you'd said at the beginning about being followed in in a department store, which I would say even even me, right? Me for the last fifty plus years would have downplayed that as like, that's not that big a deal. so what, you know? But what we see

Mark Hayes (29:15.938)
Right.

Mark Hayes (29:21.848)
Mm-hmm.

Mark Hayes (29:36.01)
Mm-hmm.

Brock Ganeles (29:41.222)
is that in that action, how how quickly that action can escalate and how that situation can escalate to violence and then that violence turns into death, right? Because w at the beginning you're just being followed around. But what if you get stopped?

Mark Hayes (29:49.518)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (30:00.638)
And now you get stopped and now there's an altercation and we see how these altercations go. We see these ICE agents, right? It's just a guy driving down the street. but now he's pulled over. Now now somehow someone thinks maybe they're totally full of shit, right? That they're that

Mark Hayes (30:09.357)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (30:15.446)
He's got a weapon.

Brock Ganeles (30:17.851)
either has a weapon, so now they're under threat, or he's gonna use the vehicle as a threat, or wow, this guy's bigger than I thought. Now I'm in a situation where I'm being intimidated, even though I'm the aggressor and the instigator, but they know that the system's always gonna protect them. They're the ones that are carrying the badges and therefore they have the impromp impromptu of society. So nothing is innocuous, right? Anything and everything

escalates and that's kind of the lesson I've learned from our conversations and then observing the world around me intertwined with you discussing things that have happened in your life because now I'm always wary about it 'cause it that's that it starts with that little spark, right? And then it's a then it's a fucking raging fire and it can happen in no time.

Mark Hayes (31:02.55)
Right. Right.

Mark Hayes (31:08.662)
Rocket happened in South Carolina at the the convenience store, right? Kid is running out of the store, he's been confronted. Now the Asian shop owner comes outside with his weapon, firing and shooting the kid in the back, and now he's acquitted. Another black man gone, right? Another injustice carried out and inflicted on the black community. And people are wondering why black people are upset. Right? Like

It it all started with he may have stolen some water. And now again.

Brock Ganeles (31:49.824)
think white people get to say why are black people upset anymore. I I think it's I think it's just too obvious. Whether you care or not is a separate topic, but I think it's even obvious to the most racist of white Americans in this MAGA era that they understand why black people are upset or angry. They may be the ones that are stoking the anger. So but you can't play

Mark Hayes (31:54.872)
Mm.

Right.

Right.

Mark Hayes (32:06.176)
Gotta be. Gotta be.

Mark Hayes (32:12.152)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (32:18.153)
Dumb. You can't be incredulous that black people are angry, upset, aggrieved because you're you're a part of what is causing it and just the incidents are so obvious and this is where Trump has made it a direct assault. Not there's there's no

Mark Hayes (32:19.643)
right. Right.

Brock Ganeles (32:38.313)
they're still going on, but we're not talking microaggressions anymore, right? These are macro aggressions. The Trump era is the era of macro aggressions, not side comments that make someone uncomfortable. Like we're talking on full on deadly assault. See so you can't so you can't so you can't you can't pretend like you don't that it's unfounded anger. Like you j we just can't anymore.

Mark Hayes (32:56.118)
Nice. Yeah. Yeah. I mean you're right.

Mark Hayes (33:06.294)
That's the perfect way to describe it.

Brock Ganeles (33:06.643)
You could say you agree you could say you agree with the policy. You could say, Hey, I like these Ace Asians going in and pulling people over and gunning down if they have to. You could say you agree with that. But you can't say like, geez, I I don't understand why brown and black people are upset. Like w what's going on in society? Like get so upset. Like I mean, it's too obvious.

Mark Hayes (33:10.382)
Right.

Mark Hayes (33:21.795)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (33:26.582)
Right, right. All right, quick hit me. Let's talk about the World Cup real quick. dominating performance by Spain, huh?

Brock Ganeles (33:34.451)
Yeah, totally outplayed Better team won. The better team won. I'm surprised they were the better team. I don't know, maybe I still have you know, France was so dynamic in the last World Cup, could have, maybe should have beaten Argentina, has Mbappe's bigger name than the players on Spain, but they got outplayed.

Mark Hayes (33:37.73)
Yeah. Wow.

Mark Hayes (33:54.198)
Right. Right. Who do you like for tomorrow's match?

Brock Ganeles (34:01.161)
I like Argentina in the end. I got it. Until some until they until they get beaten. I mean they've been skating on thin ice for like five games in a row, but it you know, it's one of those things, right? Y if if you go to kill the king you gotta you better not miss. And

Mark Hayes (34:21.08)
Can't miss.

Brock Ganeles (34:22.331)
Everyone's given them life and they're just, you know, stumbling and bumbling their way to the semifinals. So till England beats Argentina, I won't believe that England can beat Argentina. What what were you All right, sounds good Mark. I was wondering who who who you were rooting for.

Mark Hayes (34:26.648)
Taking advantage.

Mark Hayes (34:35.272)
All right. Great place to wrap it up, buddy. Go ahead.

Mark Hayes (34:42.81)
it's definitely not Argentina. Okay. One thing this world world cup has taught me, the history of racism in the Argentine country and I am definitely rooting for anyone playing against Argentina. So I'm all England tomorrow.

Brock Ganeles (34:45.722)
Brock Ganeles (34:49.81)
Brock Ganeles (35:01.605)
Even even with their history of colonialism and racism, you've told me they're the the the f the grandfathers of racism.

Mark Hayes (35:07.934)
The original racist. You're right. I gotta go with the original racist because I haven't seen any clips or social media of the England fans exerting their racism. But I have seen the origin TV, yeah. So, you know, hey. I know, bro. Insane. But they don't even they won't even take any black players.

Brock Ganeles (35:18.975)
Okay, 'cause it's the Argentina's r okay, it's Argentina's Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're gonna have to delve into that. What w what's up with that with fucking Argentina? Like, seriously.

Mark Hayes (35:36.236)
They won't even take any brown players. So, you know, it's it's I saw a whole TikTok video on why they don't call up, you know, some of the really talented guys, you know, with melanin in their sky. You know, it just is what it is, bro.

Brock Ganeles (35:53.683)
The irony is is that while they're in America, they're people of color. And and they're under threat from ice agents and they better be careful walking the streets of America 'cause Argentinian Argentinian is cruising around Maine thinking he's getting all excited to go to that World Cup go to the bar to watch a World Cup match tomorrow, can get pulled over and shot 'cause that Ice Agent views him as a p person of color. So it's sort of their you know

Mark Hayes (35:58.828)
Right.

Mark Hayes (36:16.129)
It's Nash Dow.

Mark Hayes (36:22.146)
With with no accountability.

Brock Ganeles (36:22.793)
The racism is yeah, their racism is ironic as they spend their time in the United States.

Mark Hayes (36:26.647)
Yeah.

Exactly. All right, brother May.

Brock Ganeles (36:31.465)
Which shows us the fau the falla the fallacy of race. Yes, sir.

Mark Hayes (36:34.518)
Right. Right. Exactly. All right, buddy. We'll rack it up and do it again. Peace. And revolution. Yes, sir.

Brock Ganeles (36:40.423)
Always a pleasure, Mark. Talk to you tomorrow.