2 Men In Black and White: An Honest Conversation

Mark Hayes (00:02.071)
All right, ladies and gentlemen, two men in black and white.

Thanks for joining us. We are live. We want you to hit the like and subscribe button. It helps the algorithm and makes people aware of our conversation. All right. Hey, first of all, who can you trust? We've been pondering that question today. Can you trust the officials in the Nolan Wells investigation? No. Can you trust the DA and the prosecutors in the Carmelo Anthony case? Can you trust Donald Trump to tell us how many soldiers have actually died in the unwanted?

Iran war. Who can you trust these days? We can't even trust Mitch McConnell's family to tell us whether he's dead or alive. Our topic today, the culture of the cover-up. Let's get right into it. Brock and Ellis joins me now from the beautiful confines of the upper Hudson River Valley. And Brock, everything seems to be a cover-up. and and the cover-up is always worse.

From the Epstein files right on down to the Nolan Wells case. I mean, remember, all the lying started, really, with the cover-up of Jeffrey Epstein's crimes back when that reporter at the what is it, the Miami Herald did that huge expose on

The of what's Acosta's first name, who was the former district attorney down there in West Palm who gave Yeah, Alex Acosta who gave him the sweetheart deal. that's when we found out the level of cover up. I don't think we've seen cover-up like this since the JFK and MLK assassinations. I mean, just ridiculous lying for the sake

Brock Ganeles (01:36.686)
yeah yeah. Alex. Alex Acosta.

Mark Hayes (02:00.936)
of li and and and that's why all our institutions now cannot be trusted. We can't trust what anyone says, especially on Capitol Hill and that shit show. What do we do? How do we fix it?

Brock Ganeles (02:17.633)
We can't trust anything coming out of the government. We we can trust maybe half of what we read. You know? A portion of what we see. But let you go down the list, right? we we put Lindsey Graham. Lindsey Graham was put to rest today and Trump gave another fucking horrendous asinine speech last eulogy. But we never got answers about Lindsey Graham's last day. No one asked the questions. It never came out. Like

Mark Hayes (02:19.114)
Nope.

Brock Ganeles (02:47.189)
Why didn't he call nine one one? He's dying. He called somebody else who called nine one one who thought the door was gonna be open, but the door wasn't open. Why would she think the door was gonna be open? Like there was there was no investigation. There was we just have to believe that he had the heart aneurysm or whatever we're calling it, and that was the end of Lindsey Graham. We'll put everything else to bed. No we have no idea who may have been in the house with Lindsey Graham.

Mark Hayes (03:11.787)
Mm-hmm.

Brock Ganeles (03:15.147)
Well you know, Lindsay Graham had a lot of secrets. His life was a cover up. You know, and he's a small scale one. Right? Mitch McConnell, the second photo comes out, it's fishier than the first one. There's just so so little trust that can be put in anything in the Trump era. Trump's you know, his ultimate his the the ultimate

Mark Hayes (03:19.434)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (03:41.268)
way in which he dragged down America was he just eroded trust in everything and everyone because he's a pathological liar, 'cause he needed to lie for his own gain, because he needed to cover up the Epstein shenanigans that had been a good forty years of his life, maybe fifty years, and

Mark Hayes (04:06.06)
Yep.

Brock Ganeles (04:07.391)
He started he it's the culture of lies and the culture of cover up and now that just it it's just everywhere in our politics and society. And the Nolan Wells scenario is just a glaring example of it, right? There's so much lying going on and

Mark Hayes (04:22.603)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (04:27.319)
that you have to really, really focus to try to sift through it. And as an individual, you really can't. Like you need other people's help to get to truth.

Mark Hayes (04:36.34)
Right. Right. And truth used to be the way we operated. We operated from you know, an assumption of truth. it wasn't till the Zebruter film came out, the Zabruder film came out that we started having real serious questions about who killed JFK. And the questions persist to this day.

we still have questions about the assassination of Dr. King. but I mean, Donald Trump came down that escalator in 2015, started lying, and has never stopped. and it was his strategy all along in order to get elected. See, he knew the kind of life that he had lived, and he knew that he was going to have to say that.

Everything that came out about him was a lie in order to remain a viable candidate. And you know, even when stuff came out, because he denied it so loudly, people just checked it off and said, Yeah, we don't believe it. You know, he's saying it's a lie. Why would he say it's a lie if it wasn't a lie? Because he's a liar? Because he's a proven liar?

Brock Ganeles (06:01.163)
Yeah. Yeah. Because it's to it because it's to his benefit? Yeah, because he's lying for his own benefit. It's pretty simple answer. Why are you surprised that he's lying? Like but America's rolled along with that. The media's certainly rolled along with that, but then he's hired everyone around him and either coerced or forced them to lie along with them.

Mark Hayes (06:01.912)
Because he lies about everything? That's why.

Mark Hayes (06:26.2)
Right. Right.

Brock Ganeles (06:26.471)
Or just the type of people that are also untrustworthy or attracted to being around him because they see that they can benefit off of being around him. So they play along with the lies from the twenty twenty election lies that he's still going with six years later, still trying to convince us all that he got cheated. He knows it's a lie, he knows he lost.

Mark Hayes (06:37.761)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (06:52.256)
Right. Right.

Brock Ganeles (06:53.879)
But he can't he can't hang with it. But then he brings in people around him. Yeah, you blame Trump, but like Pete Heggseth, you're the you're the head of the Department of Defense. Put out an honest casualty count. You owe that to the soldiers. You would have thought that's the way America used to operate. That's what us as citizens used to demand from anyone that was put in a position of power, and then we expected the press.

Mark Hayes (07:07.434)
Right.

Mark Hayes (07:12.493)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (07:23.543)
To put the feet to the fire of those elected officials. And all of that is broken down. Trump wore down the media. Now they're just, you know, consolidated ownership for one part, so they're all MAGA. But even the ones that aren't, they don't very few wanna fight the fight. I get it, it's tiring, but you gotta fight for truth. And when we stop fighting for truth, then the lies just take over everywhere. Ken Paxton's down in Texas.

Mark Hayes (07:29.281)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (07:41.952)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (07:51.01)
He's just a pack of lies and continuing to lie about all the corruption that surrounds him. RFK Jr. just lying left and right about like disease outbreaks. Like life and death doesn't even matter to the lies.

Mark Hayes (08:08.446)
Anymore. No. No. No. I mean, look at RFK and the lies he's telling. I mean, he's gotta know their lies. You can't be that stupid. and that brain dead could be walking around talking about, yeah, I've got worms, you know, floating around in my head. I mean, it's it's it's it's just ridiculous. you know, the Nolan Wells case, of course, we started talking about that.

Everybody's backpedaling now that this new audio has come out. They've cleaned it up. This wow, shout out to this audio engineer who's you know enhanced this audio for us to be able to hear, you know. my god, no no's really dead. Bart, you know, Nolan, wake up! Is he dead? I mean, we can clearly hear declarations.

That if if they didn't do it, they knew what happened. At the very least, we know that much. So it looks like Bart did it. And I'm casting aspersions because I don't give a fuck at this point. why are they getting away with hiding all this? if an audio engineer can spend her night cleaning up that audio.

How come Mississippi officials couldn't do it? Because they didn't want to. And no.

Brock Ganeles (09:36.632)
Didn't want it, they didn't want to try. There's still floating stories, Mark, that that Nolan Wells was on the beach at six o'clock and then he wasn't on the boat with these kids while we're listening to an audio from four thirty with the with them talking about him being dead on the boat. But they're still trying to sell us on this other story that he was somehow hanging around with a thousand other people on the island. But we're listening to the call, like we're being lied to right to our face.

Mark Hayes (09:54.637)
Yep.

Mark Hayes (10:00.63)
Right.

Mark Hayes (10:04.633)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (10:06.785)
Which is absolutely bald face lie, but that's sort of the mental the American mentality now is like just lie your way through it. Don't own up to anything. Lie your way through it. The lie keep telling the lie, and if you tell the lie often enough, the lie becomes the truth. So we're just bombarded with lies all the time. I it is exhausting. It's exhausting, but

Mark Hayes (10:15.243)
Right.

Mark Hayes (10:28.695)
Well Brock

Brock Ganeles (10:32.779)
You have to fight through it, otherwise you get swept up in the dishonesty yourself.

Mark Hayes (10:39.746)
Well, Brock, there's only one segment of the population that's being allowed to get away with this kind of strategy.

I'm not gonna go out and murder somebody tomorrow and then start lying. Nobody's gonna listen to it. They're gonna cuff me and stuff me.

And tell me all the reasons why it looks like I did it.

I mean it the the white supremacist thread that is woven into just about every system in America is keeping this whole charade alive at every turn.

I mean it's one

Brock Ganeles (11:24.459)
Yeah, while you're saying while while you're saying that I was thinking, well Mark, the only way you can get away with murder in this country is if you were an ICE agent. You could then you could gun someone down, then you could just lie about it, go with that lie, and go to work the next day and have nothing no accountability for the dead body that was lying in the street.

Mark Hayes (11:33.27)
Yeah. Yeah.

Mark Hayes (11:48.301)
Yep. Yeah. That's the only way. And and and but I don't know. I don't you know, who did I kill? Did I kill did did I kill a Latino? Did I kill a person of cover color? Or did I kill a white American whose lives are infinitely more valuable than those lives of color? Because that's

Brock Ganeles (12:00.471)
Person of color. Yeah. Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (12:14.123)
Having said that, even the killers of Pretty Predi Renee Good s still not has still not been held accountable as far as I can see. There's been talk of it, but is there a mechanism to holding them to account? I don't think so.

Mark Hayes (12:19.808)
You get away with it.

Mark Hayes (12:27.394)
Still gotta win with it.

No, it there it doesn't appear to be.

I mean, and why not? What are what are the family? What is the Paretti family saying? What is the good family saying? And see, here's the problem. Where do you go? Who do you turn to for justice?

Who do you turn to for justice? Now, when we start killing white people in America like they're black or brown, is that the bridge too far for white America?

Brock Ganeles (13:06.079)
It was in Minneapolis. It got everyone on the streets and it caused, you know, very, very aggressive protests, which for the most part got Iced to hightail it out of Minneapolis. But they just moved to the next city and committed the atrocities there. So they didn't go away. They just went away from Minneapolis. That's

Mark Hayes (13:23.607)
Right.

Mark Hayes (13:27.712)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (13:32.257)
You know, that's what it takes. So who's gonna who who can Ben Crump and Norm Well's family turn to to get justice in Mississippi?

Mark Hayes (13:44.727)
Well, are Ben Crump and and Al Sharpton safe in Mississippi? Is the Wells family safe in Mississippi? I mean, we see now that that that the victims of the actual crime are now being painted and cast as the problem. Okay, so my kid was unalived on the fourth of July weekend, out hanging with so-called friends.

Brock Ganeles (13:54.304)
No.

Mark Hayes (14:13.142)
We now know that people are moving left and right and moving hell on earth to cover it up. But me as his parent wanting answers is wrong. I mean, you talked about this, what was it, yesterday, when you said we should just shut up and take it? I mean, that's how that's how Mississippi ran in it at the turn of the century, at the d at the end of the eighteen hundreds, end of the nineteen hundreds, and into the two thousands. We're into the millennium now.

And Mississippi is still thinking that way. At what point does the South evolve, Brock? At what point? You know, I'm so tired of white America saying get over slavery, but yet white America hasn't gotten over losing its slaves. Like at what point does the South evolve? At what point does America say, you know what? Racism is not the shit we should be known for?

We have a lot of other goods and services we can export besides racism, that is our signature accomplishment.

Brock Ganeles (15:22.327)
Look, it's a uphill battle, but it requires different leadership, different education, different institutions, and different accountability. So that that's a lot of elements that have to be put into place. You know, ultimately it it requires a different society as well, one that that wants there to be change.

But it starts at the top, the leadership has to change. Yeah, we can't have re you know, we can't we can't be reading the Ten Commandments in classrooms instead of like delivering a real history that really kind of accounts for the way things happened and played out, and that leads to better understanding. But that doesn't fit the you know, the white you know, the white supremacy mold. And

I mean, look at these Mississippi officials. They're like a dog on a bone. They're not letting go. We're two weeks into this. A pretty pretty obvious case now that some shenanigans went on. Obvious lies, if not murder at the least. Depraved indifference to like even if it was an accident. It is like depraved indifference. Cause the first call wasn't to nine one one. No, even if it was an even if it was an accident, they could have saved them. There was time.

Mark Hayes (16:34.464)
Right.

Mark Hayes (16:39.393)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (16:45.953)
to act and do the right thing and they immediately decide, well, we can cover this up and get away with it, versus like trying to fix it if they try to save him, like, wow, they could get in trouble. Their lives could be affected, right? Talk about toxic selfishness. So it's gonna take a lot to change the attitudes of the South. Well Mark, we I don't even think we've necessarily changed the attitudes of the North, right? Like the entire country needs a hell of a lot more of a reckoning.

Mark Hayes (16:59.863)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (17:14.209)
But it's gonna need more black leadership, right? Because first there's the big reaction to Obama, right? America's gonna have to get used to seeing leadership of different genders and cultures and races so that there's not a absolute freakout, you know, Confederacy freakout every time there's leadership that doesn't quote look like them.

Mark Hayes (17:25.794)
Right.

Mark Hayes (17:40.447)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (17:40.77)
You know, we'll see how New York gets over having, you know, a Muslim mayor. Which c you know, 'cause you saw the freakout. And now it's like, okay, we're six months into it. There's still people freaking out, but for the most part, hey, you know what? Things are cities going pretty well. You know, we'll does it make it easier for now that Senator that Muslim senator in Michigan to maybe win his primary. Because I don't know, it's it it happened somewhere else.

Mark Hayes (17:48.023)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (17:57.748)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (18:09.889)
But you know, the deep deep south mark, I mean, shit, I don't know how many lifetimes it's gonna take.

Mark Hayes (18:15.816)
Yeah. Yeah. you know, look, they call they called who did Warren Hudson call his granddaddy? The owner of the boat? Yeah, he obviously gave them some shitty advice.

Brock Ganeles (18:32.115)
Okay, I'm gonna push back. I'm gonna push back, diddy? The grandfather knows his community, knows the shit that can get done there, and told them, hold on a fucking second. You don't want the Coast Guard there. They may see the dead body and you're fucked. So I'm call I'm calling the Coast Guard for you and they ain't coming to help you out. You're fine. Bring that boat back to me. I'll take care of this shit.

Mark Hayes (18:39.928)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (18:47.468)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mark Hayes (18:58.135)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (19:00.299)
You shut the fuck up, I'll talk to your mother. Get those social media things down. We didn't have those back in my day when we got rid of got away with everything. Scrub that social media. And we'll just take another boat out there around two in the morning. We'll drop this body on the beach when no one else is around. We'll call it a drowning, and you just keep your fucking mouths shut. So grandpa knows his people.

Mark Hayes (19:08.405)
I read a bodies, yeah.

Mark Hayes (19:23.552)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (19:30.465)
I think grandpa gave them great advice in how to manipulate the system cause grandpa knows how shit works in Mississippi and the kids were nervous and weren't thinking straight. Like, hey, hey, hey, don't panic here. You're gonna get away with this no problem. Chill the fuck out, bring that boat in.

Mark Hayes (19:44.48)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (19:48.322)
Right.

Right. my god.

Brock Ganeles (19:52.652)
Now that is sad as I'm saying it. I I feel like shit saying it, but I think that's how it played out.

Mark Hayes (20:02.72)
Yeah. Yeah, I I Brock, I'm with ya. I'm with ya.

You know, I I

Brock Ganeles (20:12.433)
And and there's the intimidation of other people to keep their fucking mouths shut. So everyone is working out of fear down there. Right? There are only so many kids on the boat. There's hundreds of kids now that know what really happened.

Mark Hayes (20:23.03)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (20:30.358)
Yeah. You know kids can't shut up. You know kids can't.

Brock Ganeles (20:33.173)
Yeah it may not be in social media right now, but there's no doubt. There's hundred and no one wants to say a fucking word.

Mark Hayes (20:37.356)
Right. Right.

Mark Hayes (20:42.132)
Right. that's a problem.

Brock Ganeles (20:44.779)
And that's why when you say are Ben Krupp and Al Sharpton safe in in Mississippi and I say no, because Mississippi doesn't want to feel safe.

Mark Hayes (20:53.898)
Right. Right.

Brock Ganeles (20:55.573)
Wants him to go home. Want want him to go home.

Mark Hayes (20:59.83)
Yeah, bro. It's it's sad, you know, and it's a generational curse. but it doesn't exist in the black and black and brown annals yet. I did see a video today. as you know, my feed thinks that I'm black, and

And I get lots of African American influencers today. I saw a young lady, Brock, and I couldn't wait to answer ask you this question. Her position was as African Americans, stop letting your kids grow up in these white neighborhoods pretending they are white, trying to guarantee them a white experience when they will never be accepted by white America.

So, as such, when your kids get unalived by white America and forgotten about, I'm not gonna be out here advocating for them, especially when those little black boys won't even date little black girls.

Hmm. Remember the beat?

Brock Ganeles (22:14.733)
What do you mean those little black those little black boys won't be able to won't date little black girls?

Mark Hayes (22:20.332)
Well Nolan Wells was apparently interested in a in a young white girl.

Brock Ganeles (22:24.363)
No, white girls you white girls. You said white girl, okay.

Mark Hayes (22:27.83)
Yeah, but no, but black boys will not date black girls. They want white girls when they're living in these communities. And so she's saying, you know, if you don't want to be around, you know, get your little black boys around little black girls so they can date and have you know a now now we're saying growing up around yours.

Brock Ganeles (22:34.738)
Mark Hayes (22:55.24)
Is going to be safer than growing up in the suburb. You know, Ocean Springs supposed to be a very nice, upwardly mobile suburb. I mean, look, look at Warren, Warren's parents, right? He got a stepmom that's a judge, a dad that's the head of the toxicology unit, one of the biggest hospitals in Mississippi. These they got a 24-foot boat. I mean, these folks are well to do. Living on a coastal community.

Brock Ganeles (23:18.125)
Mm. Yeah, twelfthy.

Mark Hayes (23:23.68)
You know, you Brock, we all know real estate near the coast is not cheap, even in Mississippi. you know, so now we're we're going to go to war within the com within the black community. It's a the community that's under attack is going to go to war with itself over whether or not we should try to assimilate into white culture. This is the this has been an age-old question, Brock.

Brock Ganeles (23:50.846)
Really tricky 'cause it's basically saying we can't have a multiracial society 'cause minorities aren't safe. So okay, th well I wouldn't have met you, right? If you if your family didn't come up and live in in essence a white community, 'cause it was only like you said, what was it, five percent black at the school? I mean I guess you kind of assimilated assimilated into white Yeah, yeah, I mean you assimilated with

Mark Hayes (23:55.991)
Boom.

Mark Hayes (24:09.911)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (24:18.059)
white society, but I don't feel like you lost your tie to black society. That was probably hard to straddle and to do. So I but then I would be different if I hadn't met you and Ricky and maybe the you know, the handful of black friends I had in high school.

Mark Hayes (24:38.582)
Right. Right?

Brock Ganeles (24:40.629)
So then we just be like in a kind of an apartheid state. So I I I don't wanna feel like stepping back towards South Africa is what we aspire to. So I hope that that's kind of a knee jerk reaction to Noanwell's death and not what there's a groundswell of argument for 'cause I think in the best case scenario, the one we should strive for is everyone

Mark Hayes (24:51.927)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (25:11.775)
maintains their own their their individual culture but then goes out into society and and and helps to create a a joint culture. And the white people haven't been willing to do that. They have been in certain respects, right? In entertainment and in like day to day colloquialism, white people are always appropriating black culture and and other cultures, right? We're like

Mark Hayes (25:16.276)
Yeah. Yeah.

Mark Hayes (25:24.428)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (25:39.448)
Think of the food we eat, like we right. We just consume other cultures all day, every day, but then white people still don't want anyone to necessarily let other people into the club. The club being where all the money is, right? And and where and where the influence is and where the pr power and privilege is.

Mark Hayes (25:41.292)
Right. Right.

Mark Hayes (25:54.998)
Yep. Yeah.

Mark Hayes (26:02.54)
Yeah, and that's a problem, bro.

Brock Ganeles (26:02.789)
all right. That was a lot of a lot of wor that was a lot of words. I don't think I answered your question. I I guess my my answer is I I hope that that black woman isn't necessarily wrong, but I hope that that sentiment doesn't become the dominant sentiment. I think we become a worse place if that is where we go.

Mark Hayes (26:08.704)
Mm.

Mark Hayes (26:24.268)
Well well look, it's become a huge issue. I mean, you know, there was there was a huge discussion earlier this basketball season when all the Indiana Pacers, African American players all had white girlfriends or wives. you know, Saquon Barkley has heard about so many players in the NFL NBA you know, have gotten flack from black women.

Because of their deference to white women. you know, you love who you love. You know, but at the same time, I mean I have I have a white well what is she well she's soon to be my my daughter in law. they're engaged to be married. doesn't bother me at all. You know, I what I what I would implore upon them is that they help their children

And they have two daughters, recognize both cultures, right? And understand that they are going to be perceived as black or brown, right? They are not going to have the privilege of assimilating in white culture because they are not.

Full white? Is that a is that a is that a cultural term?

Brock Ganeles (27:50.028)
Yeah. And it's fucked up. Barack Barack Obama, right? He's always like he's you know, like just the terms we use, right? He's quote black, but he's biracial. I mean, he's had a f he was grew up with a foot in both camp, right? You can call him black, but like when he's going to his mom's for like Christmas, the whole fucking family's white. He's the only quote black guy in the room, right? So

Mark Hayes (28:13.304)
Yeah.

Well what about Tiger and his coblination status? How many people are checking that box?

Brock Ganeles (28:19.647)
Yeah. I mean

Look, one of the things I think we have to do in America is we have to work to abolish the categorization of race as something that we even use as a definition of people. Right? Am I white? Am I European? Am I Jewish? Like what am I Russian?

Mark Hayes (28:43.084)
Well then we got it.

Brock Ganeles (28:48.479)
Like, I'm a I'm a I'm a combination of several things. I'm just throwing in the bucket of white. I guess that's good in America. If I was living in I don't know, Israel or Russia, I'd be looked at differently. Let's say Israel, because my mother converted. So I'm maybe not as pure Jewish as other Jews would look at me, right? 'Cause my mother wasn't quote, she's converted, they'll give her the check in the box, but there's others that consider that sort of

Mmm, okay, she started Jewish, she came around, right? She came around maybe to simplify my life, right? To just be one religion. I don't know why she did it in the end. We never had a discussion. But it just makes you know, you can start seeing how our definitions of ourselves and each other just fall apart once we go like a step deeper. So can America stop talking about race?

Mark Hayes (29:18.838)
Garota é que.

Mark Hayes (29:30.592)
Right.

Mark Hayes (29:42.507)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (29:46.827)
What i what is race?

Mark Hayes (29:47.244)
Well, if if we nuke everybody above eight years of age and start all over with nothing but eight year olds and under, we might be able to do it.

Mark Hayes (30:01.386)
I mean how do y how do you it's it's it's like those wars we used to take part well take part in in the Middle East as we still are. How do you how do you kill off a generation and and and a generation of thinking? Right? We've got two or three generations of it floating around in the US now.

Brock Ganeles (30:19.361)
But if a biracial kid marry let's say a bi ra your biracial granddaughter marries a white guy and they have kids and now like those kids it's only like now down to maybe what one quarter Like and and so what's okay, so what's that kid gonna be what's that gonna be kidd that's that kid gonna be consider?

Mark Hayes (30:32.278)
Twenty five percent.

Mark Hayes (30:39.66)
Plus E. V. Ferguson.

Black, C. Plessy V. Ferguson, Supreme Court case.

Brock Ganeles (30:47.937)
I get yeah that's how the law like the but but then okay then we go the next generation down and then that their kid marries a white kid and that's like okay. God for good Marries a Latina Marries a Latino and now we're like we're carving. Marry some of the East Asian, Japanese woman. Now where are we going with it? Now someone's such an amalgamation. I get it. It's easier to just call someone black and throw them in that bucket.

Mark Hayes (30:57.472)
Now we're down to what

Yeah. Now you're scrambling the eggs.

Mark Hayes (31:13.389)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (31:18.178)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (31:18.475)
That's why we gotta g you know, I mean we we gotta get rid of these buckets. They're around they're just yeah.

Mark Hayes (31:21.59)
Gotta be eliminated. But race, race is the deciding factor in just about everything we do: college admissions, banking and loans, you know, job selection, you name it. It comes down to race in just about every factor of American life. All right, let's get up out of here again. Again, I'm going to start drinking heavily.

with this podcast. it's becoming a burden. What do you got for a quick hit? And make it quick.

Brock Ganeles (32:00.106)
under the heaver under the heading of cover ups, j and we'll throw some sports, lob some sports into this. But speaking of bizarre cover ups, Kyle Shanahan, the head coach of the San Francisco forty niners, shows up at minicamp yesterday, I think it was, with and basically having almost lost his eye.

Mark Hayes (32:07.765)
Okay.

Mark Hayes (32:14.326)
Sure.

Mark Hayes (32:18.433)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (32:24.951)
Broken ribs, concussion, and I guess he can only be out on the field for like twenty, thirty minutes out of the like couple hour practice. Yet he got in a car accident apparently on like on July eleventh, and no one knew about it for the last seventeen days. Now I get it, he's not a public figure per se, but Jesus head football coach in the NFL is a pretty public figure in the community. So why and I get it, you get

Mark Hayes (32:50.173)
did he make a lot of money?

Brock Ganeles (32:53.267)
I I get it. You get your personal, you know, it's not necessarily needs to be in the public domain, but don't you find it odd and perhaps that something is being hidden here? That there wasn't an announcement that he'd been in an accident, so well wishers could even send him flowers and wish him well, but he stayed in stealth mode, it makes me wonder what went on with the accident itself. It just is odd and weird.

human behavior and when it comes to the NFL I don't trust them for far as I can throw them. And it's just another place where you can't trust fucking anything anymore. What was that all about? Why do you he just showed up out of nowhere like half dead?

Mark Hayes (33:28.457)
At all.

Mark Hayes (33:32.907)
Nope. Nope.

Mark Hayes (33:37.729)
Nothing to see here.

I mean, garden variety car accident. That's what they're calling it. And that's what they're gonna stick with. you know, but Eric Eric Bienemi's wife gets shot, and we've got video of the police dragging their son up out of the crib. How come we got that news immediately? And this thing happened two weeks ago? Fourteen day what seventeen days ago. And we're just now seeing him?

Brock Ganeles (34:06.455)
Police report nine one one call.

Mark Hayes (34:10.796)
Nothing? That's kind of strange. And I I I would push back on the public figure part. He's one of the most important people in the Bay Area. The head coach of the 49ers? I mean, think about it. Bill Wash was legendary. I mean, he can't Shanahan can't walk around anywhere and not be recognized in the Bay Area. He's the man.

Brock Ganeles (34:28.577)
I know.

Brock Ganeles (34:34.295)
I get it. There's only thirty there's only thirty head coaches in the in the world. NFL head coaches in the world. There's a hundred senators. There's only thirty head coaches. I get it's a pretty and it's our national pastime. I I mean I was almost half joking saying he's not a public figure. I mean he's not a political figure, but I mean they're one of the most they're one of the most valuable businesses in the country and certainly

Mark Hayes (34:39.156)
It right. Right. Right. Exactly.

Mark Hayes (34:52.022)
Right. yeah.

Brock Ganeles (35:00.917)
Well, even in the Bay Area where there's hugely valuable businesses. It's just it come on, Mark, something's going on there, something's being covered up. As with everything else, I don't b I don't believe the story I'm being told.

Mark Hayes (35:10.037)
Mike Florio.

Mark Hayes (35:14.198)
Yeah, Mike Florio on NBC Sports is calling it a state secret. You know, there was somebody in that car who wasn't supposed to be, more than likely. Was it an underage girl, underage guy, guy? I mean, you know, only our minds can run wild with us. yeah, ain't no telling, bro.

Brock Ganeles (35:38.401)
What time of day what time of day was it? And I I wanna see that toxicology report.

Mark Hayes (35:44.269)
Yes indeed. Yes indeed. I now look, don't count on it. Don't count on seeing it. Who do you think you are that you have the right to demand to know, you know, what what a a conglomerate that owns a day of the week will decide you know, to give you the information. You be it's a need to know basis. And the NFL decides what you need to know.

Brock Ganeles (36:12.737)
Just like the Mississippi District Attorney.

Mark Hayes (36:15.476)
Yes indeed. Yes indeed. And Donald Trump and his ilk. real quick from my backyard down here in Atlanta GA, the Appalachian High School shooter, Coke Gray. Got life without parole today. but still, you can still go buy a high powered rifle with next to no resistance whatsoever. So does it really matter?

I'm sure it matters to the to the lives of to the families of the lives whom he took. But the bottom line is no. you can still go get a weapon, you can still go shoot up a school. We just had mass shootings over the weekend. We just talked about the two of so yeah, people are being killed by gun violence every day. America the violent continues.

Brock Ganeles (37:11.905)
We don't even talk about it anymore.

Mark Hayes (37:15.36)
Revolution, my brother.

Brock Ganeles (37:15.659)
Mark, we'll we'll keep fighting. It's always a pleasure.

Mark Hayes (37:20.322)
Peace, my friend. See you tomorrow.

Brock Ganeles (37:22.166)
Alright, I will talk talk to them all.