2 Men In Black and White: An Honest Conversation

Mark Hayes (00:01.078)
Alright, ladies and gentlemen, two men in black and white and honest conversation. Please like and subscribe. It helps the algorithm find out about our conversations and push it out to our audience. All right, let's get right into it. There is apparently a mutiny aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln. There is real trouble in the Strait of Hormuz with that blockade happening out there. apparently, Donald Trump, Heg Seth, et al. have mismanaged.

This crisis like no other in American history. Also, let's talk a little bit about the woman found hanging, found hanging in Mississippi. And she happens to be a black woman. Well, isn't that a surprise? Wow. I but I but but we just had a guest on Don Lemon's show last week telling us that there was no more racism in Mississippi. So maybe that's not exactly true. All right.

let's talk a little bit about what's happening when it comes to electability issues because it's already started in Michigan. But here's the good thing: the progressives are winning, right? Because no one can afford to be racist and use their racism to buy their steak, to buy their gas, to buy their groceries. You can't pay with racism. Matter of fact, racism costs you more.

Brock and Ellis joins me now with the latest. All right, Brock, let's get right into it, bro. This USS Abraham Lincoln is disgusting. As a former parent of a seaman on the USS Enterprise, this could have easily been my child. And I feel for those parents who are getting these distress calls from their sons and daughters who are telling their parents.

They feel like they're gonna die at sea because they're sitting ducks. They got no ammo, no way to fight back, no food, and no help is coming, Brock. No help is on the way. How about that shit?

Brock Ganeles (02:15.188)
So that's why there's talk of them confiscating personal phones on the vessels, because the the shipmen, the midshipmen are making distress calls. that piece is together, because I was wondering why they were confiscating. There was talk of the confiscation of the personal phones. The Iran war is a mess. We're backpedaling like banshees. We look we're like a cornerback, right, in the NFL. We're in backpedal mode.

Mark Hayes (02:24.28)
Yep.

Mark Hayes (02:35.32)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (02:44.464)
Iran is pushing us around in the negotiations because they, in essence, own the strait right now. They're now trying to get assets unfrozen. I mean, they're gonna come out of this live and large economically because we need to get out of it. Where other stories and this desperate dovetails with these parents getting up in arms and the calls they're getting is that our our seamen are not allowed to dock and to step foot on various countries.

Countries in the Middle East, United Arabic, Saudi Arabia, all where we used to have bases that got decimated by drones, but these these Arab-world countries, these Gulf State countries.

are now have been threatened by Iran that if they allow American soldiers on back onto their bases that they're gonna get bombed by Iran. So now they don't want the US ships docking there. So that leaves them out in the middle of the ocean. We're not prepared for that. So therefore we're running out of food, running out of toiletries, right? Running out of everything. So it's just I mean I just disdefined cluster fuck in Iran, right? Not to mention, lastly before I throw it back to you,

Mark Hayes (03:34.177)
Sure.

Mark Hayes (03:53.656)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (03:56.317)
Is Israel also basically just stiff armed us in terms of the peace proposal and ceasefire proposal that we laid out for them in Gaza? Netanyahu just said no? Just a flat out no to Trump. So our number one ally who we're funding in terms of the whole war just told us no. What's in America's best interest? No, thank you.

Mark Hayes (04:10.552)
Yeah. Yeah.

Mark Hayes (04:21.62)
Right. and it's typical, it's par for the course. take I mean our our military is basically bankrupt right now. I will remind America that you voted for him to run the country like he ran his businesses. And that's exactly what he's done. He's bankrupted America. Right? His tariffs, this economy.

Is the worst. It's been jobless numbers through the roof. We're in a recession. It's just that nobody's saying it. Everyone's afraid to say it. We know it is. Consumer confidence is shot. There's no one that wants to get out and buy anything. There's no one that trusts two more years of this shit of this demented old fool running around making ridiculous, ridiculous assertions, you know.

Not to mention getting our young men and women, you know, it put in harm's way for somebody else's fight that he's beholden to, right? All in an effort to hide his criminality. It all gets back to the Epstein files, right? It's a circular motion. But check out some of the issues that you mentioned, right? In addition to supply and food shortages, right?

We've seen pictures of what they're eating. You can't even it doesn't even look like food. It's worse than those MREs. It doesn't even look like food. They've got ship maintenance issues. the infrastructure is strained. broken laundry facilities. the toilets don't work, mold building up in the showers, plus the troops are exhausted and overworked. they've got

Routine deployment extended multiple times for these combat missions. They've been out there approaching 300 days, Brock. 300 days. And the latest reports are help can't get there until Christmas.

Mark Hayes (06:33.336)
Christmas. That's another four and a half months. I mean, this is ridiculous. So, you know, what but you know, I they say this meeting happened at the island club in San Diego at the Marine base out there. And that the brass, what is it, Hong Kao, the he secretary of the Navy, actually made it worse by telling the parents that.

This is the sacrifice that your kids need to make as American patriots. Well, where's America First here? America First ain't those soldiers, those seamen. America first definitely is not this Iran war. And the other thing, that these seamen, sailors, you know you got some of the some some Air Force members on there, the fighter pilots, but they are telling their families.

That they don't want to be a part of these war crimes that Donald Trump is ordering. They don't want to be killing little boys and girls in schools who are defenseless and don't have anything to do with this conflict.

Brock Ganeles (07:49.919)
Yeah, we h we hit it we hit another residential home, right, last week. Killed killed three people, one like three year old kid or something like that. Plus we're bombing, you know, water facilities and infrastructure which is against, you know, the rules of engagement. So yeah, they're they are being asked to do things that they know they've been taught are illegal and right, they can read the newspaper.

Mark Hayes (07:49.921)
It's awful.

Mark Hayes (07:54.252)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (08:13.428)
They can see that like we we have no strategy how we're backtracking, going back and forth. And they know better than anyone else that they're running out of ammunition if it hasn't happened already. Because there's reports that the Pentagon is pressuring defense companies to ramp up their building of additional munitions, which is because we've, you know, we've tapped ourselves out by what? By bombing a country that is no threat to us, and we can't get to their nuclear.

Mark Hayes (08:24.472)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (08:43.402)
capabilities without putting boots on the ground. We would have to do a land attack, a D-Day-like land attack, that then would have to go into the mountains to literally root out the enriched uranium.

Mark Hayes (08:48.012)
Right.

Mark Hayes (09:00.524)
And then you gotta find it, Brock. You gotta find it. 'Cause I'm sure they've moved it by now.

Brock Ganeles (09:03.028)
We're not gonna do that. We're not gonna do that. Yeah, and we think about how many people would die on the way. Right? So we would have we would lose a lot of troops to do that. And it would be a bloodbath because we're not prepared. We wouldn't have the air coverage. Like we're just not in position to do that. And we know the American citizens have no stomach for that. Like we've already sou we've already soured on the war as it's gone now, which has just been an air raid war.

Mark Hayes (09:09.186)
Right.

Mark Hayes (09:24.439)
Right.

Mark Hayes (09:30.327)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (09:30.775)
And you know, sadly I don't know if the cries of the of the naval officers are gonna get an audience. Will is it gonna resonate with the American people? Do we really support our troops? Or will the American people shrug their shoulders and say, Hey, they're we're at war and this is what combat is and like we don't wanna hear any whining, this is what you signed up for. Is that what America

Mark Hayes (09:42.819)
that comes out.

Brock Ganeles (09:58.057)
the American populist kind of standard attitude is gonna be. I'm afraid that that's gonna be the case.

Mark Hayes (10:02.732)
Right.

Yeah, I I I hope not. look, our men and women didn't sign up to kill women, children, in schools that are innocent and have nothing to do with a conflict that has nothing to do with us. I mean point blank. That's what it is. So boom. Why are we doing it? Right? And it all comes back to Trump and his ilk mismanaging a situ.

How do you deplete the greatest war machine in the history of the world of all its ammunition? How you know how that happens, Brock? When people say, hey, Heg Seth, you know, we're getting low on munitions here. Better stop firing so many of these fucking things every day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't know what you're talking about. That's what's going on.

You know, they d they think there's the guy who gets boozed up and goes on Fox News spouting conspiracy theories thinks he knows more than the guy who was trained in the art of war. That's the funny part.

Brock Ganeles (11:17.0)
Yeah, that was about to say strategic planning, right? It's just poor strategic planning and now it's playing out on the international stage. We're literally losing a war that we started unilaterally for

Uncertain reasons. Certainly one of them was regime change. We killed the supreme leader. But what did we ultimately get? We got an even more hardened hardline successor and more entrenchment of the hard liners in Iran. So we lost that piece of the puzzle. We were supposed to go after the nuclear capabilities, but we even got out of the agreement that Obama had put in place where there was some oversight of the uranium enrichment. And now we pulled that deal.

Mark Hayes (11:40.065)
Brock Ganeles (12:03.276)
Because we hated anything Obama did, and we've gotten nothing new to replace it. So Iran's gonna come out of this, not only winning on those two counts, but also getting more money out of the Strait of Horn Moose, right? It used to be free. It was international waters and free. And somehow they're gonna it appears as though they're gonna come out of this with some economic advantage, some sort of toll.

Mark Hayes (12:27.101)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (12:27.378)
And if not, we're gonna unfreeze a assets and pay them in a different way. We're like, we're paying them now. So we ran out of ammunition and we're paying our adversary and we can't figure out how to how to extricate ourselves and our allies telling us to go fuck ourselves in terms of the peace plan ceasefire and peace plan that we have in place and our troops are just sitting out there on a boat.

Mark Hayes (12:33.379)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (12:50.854)
in the middle of the sea with running out of food and with shitty conditions. And that's the state of the war.

Mark Hayes (12:51.126)
Right.

Mark Hayes (12:59.99)
Right. let me riddle you this, Batman. Where's Melania? She hasn't been seen hiding her hair. The last sighting was July 30th by my notes on her Twitter. What's she doing? What where how does she all of a sudden disappear when the dark past about the Trumpster and her come up?

the threats from Iran on her life and Barons surprise, surprise, Iran wants to kill the Trumps. They've they've got hits out on the entire family. I mean all you gotta do.

Brock Ganeles (13:40.222)
Melania is

Look, Melania is s a self preservationist, right? That's what she's shown her whole life, right? She's climbed the ladder and you know.

Mark Hayes (13:50.914)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (13:54.683)
know, kinda social climbed and manipulated her way through life. So she sees the handwriting on the wall. She sees the dementia ridden, you know, husband in name only that she's still attached to. Why would she make an appearance? Everything's going sour. What's what's in it for her to

remind people that she's around. Where's Ivanka? Right? Like I mean there's a whole bunch of you don't even see as much of Don Jr. anymore. Right? They're all like just trying to make their money and live their lives in the shadows because they see the decline, right? They're reading the polls.

Mark Hayes (14:19.021)
Right.

Mark Hayes (14:25.282)
Right.

Mark Hayes (14:36.108)
Yeah. Well they need to because it could be bad for their health to sit out here and think you know that they're safe you know with w the Iranians mean business Brock. They mean business. We've just about surrendered in this war because now we can't fight back. As you mentioned, we can't dock our ships, we can't get any respite for our troops.

there's no place for them to go. Can they even get back home can they limp those vessels back home? I mean, what what are we gonna do? Are we gonna just gonna leave them out there?

Brock Ganeles (15:20.744)
Now we're gonna have to bring home. We're gonna ha I mean, it's just gonna be an embarrassing day. I mean

They're still out there because Trump doesn't want to admit the defeat. So the troops are just out there as like in essence, you know, decoys or just to to you know, for a political game to show we're still in the fight, but we really aren't, right? We're trying to, you know, wiggle our way out of this.

Mark Hayes (15:51.382)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (15:52.211)
But there's no easy way out and Trump's always looking for easy ways out of things. And the American people are gonna t we're gonna continue to pay for it 'cause four plus dollar gas isn't going anywhere.

Mark Hayes (16:04.564)
At all. At all. and you know, that was his, you know, supposedly signature project, right? To bring the cost of everything down. Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (16:15.124)
Get prices down. Eggs and gas. Yeah. I mean the presidency's the presidency's, his presidency's a disaster. It's in free fall. This should be a massive landside election. I I kind of laugh when I read the stories, the inevitable stories in places like the Times, which sucks, about how Democrats need to come together and the Democrat infighting and this and I'm like

Mark Hayes (16:23.83)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (16:39.422)
Democrats can infight all the fuck we want. Like, no one's voting fucking MAGA. Everyone's voting the same way, no matter what. Like we don't even have to come together. We just have to show up and vote. We just have to show up.

Mark Hayes (16:43.149)
Right.

Mark Hayes (16:53.43)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (16:56.434)
Because there's nothing that MAG is bringing to the table that's attracting anyone but their core racist followers that are never gonna go anywhere. The Christian nationalism base. They're

Mark Hayes (16:56.717)
Right.

Mark Hayes (17:12.269)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (17:13.118)
They're so locked in up to their eyeballs, they'll never be extricated out. We're just we're just gonna have to let them die off. They're not being convinced of anything. But for the rest of us, how's anyone even thinking about voting for a MAGA candidate? What, Max Miller's of the world who have like abused their child and their wife? I mean, just go up and down the list of the candidates they're throwing out there. The Ken Paxton's of the world, Byron

Mark Hayes (17:19.639)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (17:37.759)
Darnolds of the world, whatever his name is down in Florida. I mean, just go up and down the ledger of MAGA candidates and the candidate quality is fucking horrendous. I mean, this should be a layup. All the Dems have to think about is give the voter one reason to get off their ass. And they should have it already.

Mark Hayes (17:39.704)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (17:50.038)
yeah.

Mark Hayes (17:57.187)
Well look well let's talk about the electability issue. you know, Byron Donalds does not exhibit governor chops to me at all. he might be able to follow the DeSantis playbook, you know, with all the the the Looney Tune conservatives in his ear. I I'm you know what, I'm not even gonna disrespect conservatives like that. With all the Looney Tune MAGA in his ear. He's

should be able to continue the playbook. It's not that difficult. just, you know, be the opposite of who you are as a human being, because that guy is like out there like pseudo.

Brock Ganeles (18:37.266)
But is is he is he gonna drive if he's is he gonna drive strong voter turnout on the MAGA side as a black guy? I I just I wonder. Like I figure there's there's no way. So I think he's I think he's running uphill. He's a shitty candidate and he's black in a racist state. He may have the like the MAGA brand, but

Mark Hayes (18:43.372)
There's no way.

Mark Hayes (18:48.204)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (18:55.405)
Yep.

Brock Ganeles (18:59.152)
I can't imagine that's gonna be enough, particularly with all the the shitsho that's going on there down there in terms of quality of life. But you that's just a r across the board, they're just lobbing out Trump juniors, right? You know.

Mark Hayes (19:06.232)
Right.

Mark Hayes (19:13.112)
Trump? Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (19:15.634)
Trump light all over the place. Even Mike Rogers in Michigan's gotta now play to the Trump center. He's gotta play to the 2020 election conspiracy theories. Right? He's gotta clown himself to make himself mainstream MAGA. And once you do that, how are you gonna attract independence once you have rolled into mainstream MAGA world? I just don't see the formula when so much of American life is in decline, which we've been crying.

Mark Hayes (19:30.936)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (19:39.703)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (19:45.501)
Right, sh you know, everybody's water, electricity bills, gas is too expensive, groceries are too expensive, we're losing jobs, inflation's outpacing wage growth, everyone's tired of ICE running around and terrorizing our cities, right? ICE is polling at 30%, basically in line with Trump. You know, how is this not a massive landslide? I think like electability is its typical racist topic, it's only broken

Mark Hayes (20:14.751)
Mm-hmm.

Brock Ganeles (20:15.585)
up for women

Candidates and candidates of color. A white candidate is never questioned on his electability. Is anyone questioning Ken Paxson's electability? He guys under like indictment. The guys under indictment like ten times. Trump was a felon and a sexual abuser. No one questioned his electability. It's just assumed. Is Max Miller's electability on Ohio? No, they think he can still win. So what if he has a little bit of domestic violence and broke his daughter, his three-year-old daughter's collarbone, right? He's still.

Mark Hayes (20:19.288)
Black candidates. Yep.

Mark Hayes (20:26.082)
Right. Well

Mark Hayes (20:32.29)
Guys, it's we're great.

Mark Hayes (20:42.773)
I know.

Mark Hayes (20:48.184)
Just a little

Brock Ganeles (20:49.543)
He's still a likely winner. He's still an electable candidate.

Mark Hayes (20:52.94)
Well but but Pete Buttigieg, who just brought the house down out in Oklahoma, his electability is questioned.

Because he loves who he loves. Right? I mean that's the hypocrisy of it all. Right? They're just a bunch of hypocrites looking for a reason to say no, instead of looking for a reason to find leadership that'll make the American experience even better. Black, white, gay, straight, whatever. Right? And no one wants the multicultural, multi-ethnic.

Brock Ganeles (21:21.492)
Who g

Mark Hayes (21:32.918)
Right, all inclusive experience in America.

Brock Ganeles (21:37.899)
I mean to me the answer to it is just like the electability question is like, do you want a candidate who's gonna make your life better? I mean, that that's that. Am I electable? I'm a candidate who's gonna make the constituents' life better. I'm gonna do what's in their best interest.

Mark Hayes (21:43.832)
Right.

Mark Hayes (21:51.8)
Right.

Right.

Brock Ganeles (21:54.835)
Shouldn't doesn't that make that candidate electable no matter what they they look like Shrek? I don't care, right? That candidate should be electable and is electable because who's asking the questions, right? The question is being asked mostly by white media, you know, white establishment that doesn't that wants to win, but wants to win their way.

Mark Hayes (22:01.527)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (22:19.144)
with their you know, with candidates that look like them that make them feel comfortable. And I think the question should be just laughed out of the room and addressed extremely aggressively from here on out. You know, I think the electability question needs to be answered with a you know, who the fuck are you to who the fuck are you to decide? That's why the voters are gonna decide. The voters are gonna decide who's electable. So I guess we'll know we won't know who's electable to the day after.

Mark Hayes (22:32.686)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (22:39.808)
Right. Right.

Right.

Mark Hayes (22:48.93)
Right, right.

Brock Ganeles (22:49.396)
So till then till then how about we talk about the issues? I I consider it I consider like the question insulting.

Mark Hayes (22:53.845)
Exactly.

Mark Hayes (22:59.074)
Yeah, it's it really is frustrating. insulting is probably the best word you can come up with it. I just don't I it's sad that we've come to this, right? Like every aspect of the American experience is in peril. Right? There's no way to turn nowhere to turn and find some positivity and find something.

That we can hold up. Hopefully, football season doesn't drown out the need for drastic leadership change. Right? I mean, if if if anything, we should be at SEC football games protesting, right? Demanding African American players transfer to the Big Ten, the Big 12, the ACC, right? The the All-American Conference. You're gonna go pro. You're five-star.

At Ole Miss, you're gonna go pro. You transfer to Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson. You're going pro Cl hey look, Clemson needs all the five stars they can get. Clemson has fallen into mediocrity because of the transfer point.

Brock Ganeles (24:10.046)
Yeah, well but it has South Carolina earned, you know, to me it's like you're eighteen years old at this point. Go go to college in a state that's gonna actually allow you to vote. Go to a go to a state that's actually where you're actually gonna feel safe if you ever step foot off of campus.

Mark Hayes (24:20.542)
Exactly.

Mark Hayes (24:29.856)
Yep.

Brock Ganeles (24:30.408)
Like, go to a state that's actually going to look out for your life beyond when you're out on the practice field. And maybe the younger generation is gonna come around to this. I heard a good a really good blurb out of AOC. She was on fire today, right? Talking about how millennials have grown up and millennials are not kids anymore, and now they're in their 30s and they're like they're pissed that the older generation has stolen their economic future. Right? They're not even the young kids that are all

Mark Hayes (24:58.838)
Yep.

Mark Hayes (25:02.626)
Nope.

Brock Ganeles (25:05.64)
ten, fifteen, twenty years older who should be moving into their economic prime, should be buying houses, should be starting families, should be doing all that shit. And they're they're pissed. And they're they wanna, you know, bump out these older candidates or n or incumbents who've been sitting in their seats taking care of maybe people our age and older and not taking care of future generations. And to me that's

Mark Hayes (25:17.986)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (25:34.541)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (25:36.223)
I mean that's that's a logical and compelling message. That should work. How is an older candidate consider themselves electable? How is Susan Collins electable at age 75? How is Chuck Grassley electable at age ninety-two for another six-year term? How are those fuckers electable? How is Susan Collins possibly electable?

Mark Hayes (25:42.904)
Yep.

Mark Hayes (25:50.766)
Can't be.

Can't be.

Mark Hayes (25:58.264)
Can't be.

Can't be, bro. Cannot be. Not not not in this country. I mean, it it just it it's just disgusting and frustrating. And and you know, if these millennials don't get out now and realize what's been stolen from them, as AOC so aptly put it, then you know, they're signing their own death knell, right?

This is making their lives exponentially hard. What are they gonna do? Find another couple and buy homes. The four of us, you know, we're gonna couple up and buy a home and share it and raise our kids, you know, and a four bedroom home with one master bedroom. We we'll split we'll split the master six months out of the year? What the hell?

Brock Ganeles (26:48.66)
Look, so many of them are wearing and are weighed down still by college loans, right? Ten, fifteen, twenty years later, they're still wearing that debt. And Biden wanted to get rid of all of it, right? And MAGA came in and totally nixed all those programs, right? It was a total wealth transfer thing. It was a way to alleviate the economic burden for a whole generation of people, and MAGA stomped on it so that they could give tax breaks to the 1%.

Mark Hayes (26:54.295)
Yes.

Mark Hayes (27:05.442)
Right.

Mark Hayes (27:17.786)
Right. Right.

Brock Ganeles (27:18.046)
They made life tougher for that entire middle range. It's it should be such a no-brainer election. I it's just gonna be such a test of how racist is America. Like, are they really gonna vote for Mike Rogers over Abdul El Sayyid? Are they really gonna do that? That's what I wondered in in New York. Like in New York, I was like, are people really gonna vote Andrew Cuomo over Mandani?

Mark Hayes (27:29.666)
Like

Mark Hayes (27:35.168)
I'll say it. Right. Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (27:45.351)
And he didn't Madani didn't blow him out, right? It was a it was a close race.

Mark Hayes (27:48.674)
No.

Brock Ganeles (27:50.963)
And now looking back, you're like, what the what the fuck was anyone thinking? Like, how why would they possibly have wanted that retread old asshole white guy who'd also been accused of sexually not sexual assault? Yeah, sort of sexual assault, certainly sexual harassment in the workplace as the fucking governor, and that guy gets to run, you know, like gets support to run again as a mayor in New York. That was the guy that was electable. The guy who had the resistance.

Mark Hayes (27:51.51)
Which is the sad part.

Mark Hayes (27:55.83)
Right.

Mark Hayes (28:15.414)
Right.

Mark Hayes (28:20.237)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (28:20.906)
Zign as governor because of sexual harassment in the governor's mansion. Two years later, he can come back and almost beat Mundani because, Mandani's not electable because he's too brown, too Muslim. I mean, I that's a referendum in November. Like, is America gonna still hold on to this shit? Are we still even going to take seriously questions about who's electable?

Mark Hayes (28:28.675)
That's it.

Mark Hayes (28:37.3)
And then

Mark Hayes (28:49.664)
Right. And then and then Brock don't forget

Cuomo then used the levers of power to manipulate the audience through CNN and his brother. Remember, don't forget that part. That's how his brother lost his job at CNN.

Brock Ganeles (29:05.224)
Yeah, because he was because he was because he was connected, right? And once you're connected and you're sorta in, then you stay in. I you know. Very, very frustrating. we gotta push back against that whole line of thinking. We're not gonna get diverse candidates if every time we play this bullshit

Mark Hayes (29:09.367)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (29:14.888)
Yep.

Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (29:27.73)
Mainstream media, white right-wing, white-dominated media pretending like trying to propagandize their way into the types of candidates America can elect. Because we keep electing shitty candidates because

Mark Hayes (29:28.076)
Yep. Yeah.

Mark Hayes (29:43.671)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (29:49.311)
We self-fulfilling prophesize our way into thinking they're the only candidate that can win. So we keep cookie-cuttering the candidates and look and sound the same. And the only change in that whole pattern was Barack Obama. The only change in that pattern in the history of America was Barack Obama.

Mark Hayes (30:05.357)
Right.

Mark Hayes (30:10.659)
Yep. And that's the the the the bottom line. All right, let's quick hit and get up out of here. what do you like for a quick hit for us this afternoon?

Brock Ganeles (30:23.176)
You start off, I gotta think about mine. What do you got for me?

Mark Hayes (30:25.982)
Okay. this young lady that was apparently found hanging in Mississippi. you know, again, we were told that there was no more racism. black woman found dead hanging from a tree behind a vacant home in Mississippi. family demanding an investigation. Apparently there has been an arrest in the murder of Tasha Fortune. you know, again, amazing that we could get

A an arrest alleged person of interest, which happened yesterday, and this happens to be an African-American dude. I just wonder you know, how they were so quickly able to identify someone and arrested him on an unrelated charge. But he's a person of interest.

Brock Ganeles (31:12.52)
I'm sure.

Brock Ganeles (31:18.452)
there's cameras everywhere. You can find these people if we try. But let me let's just let's stick on this for a second. First of all,

Let's just talk these fucking hangings are a joke that they're ever considered to be like suicide. Okay? Because first of all, show me how many fucking people what percentage of people in the American populace can climb a fucking tree, right? I can't climb a tree. I'm climbing a tree to get up to a limb. Yeah, get up to a limb high enough just in its own right. How many people are going out to the local Home Depot and buying a rope? So you gotta go out and buy a rope, right?

Mark Hayes (31:31.254)
Right. Right.

Mark Hayes (31:42.818)
With their hands tied.

Why?

Brock Ganeles (31:56.137)
How many people even know I don't know how many people even know how to make the knot that's gonna hold on the rope that's gonna hang you? I wouldn't know how to do that. I don't know how to I don't know how to make a knot. So so I'm climbing a tree. I'm buying rope, I'm climbing a tree, I know how to tie the knot, and

Mark Hayes (32:07.586)
Yeah exactly.

Brock Ganeles (32:20.914)
hanging myself in a place where nobody sees any of this. No one has any record of me buying the rope. No you know, no one can find the receipt. No one has any video of me at the fucking Home Depot buying the rope. No one's seen me climb this fucking tree. What did I just r repel right up the tree like I'm fucking, you know, world class athlete? Come on. Well none of these things ever fucking add up.

Mark Hayes (32:35.83)
None of that.

Brock Ganeles (32:47.302)
It just doesn't work. There's maybe one in ten of the people that have been hanged that could possibly have pulled that off. The rest of them, this young woman, climbed a tree, bought rope, climbed a tree, and knew how to make the rope to kill herself, and nobody saw her along the way. How do all four of those things have to line up for this to happen? Almost

Mark Hayes (32:54.327)
Right.

Mark Hayes (33:09.29)
And Brock, it's not just happening in the South. It's happened in California. It's happened in other places too. So many other places. But we're gonna continue to follow that story and see where it goes. What do you got for me?

Brock Ganeles (33:23.082)
Mark, I don't know if I have a quick hit, but I'm I'm frustrated with the algorithms. I'm frustrated with the algorithm, because the algorithm for and I'm sure AI is gonna push us even deeper into this direction, feeds us more of what we're looking at already. My algorithm now thinks that I wanna watch fights. So if I scroll my Instagram, all I'm seeing is like fist fights of people.

Mark Hayes (33:26.254)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (33:50.515)
like video after video of fist fights. But I just don't think there's an algorithm that actually

Mark Hayes (33:50.826)
Mm.

Brock Ganeles (33:58.639)
Shows people conversations between black and white Americans. Like, I don't think we have an algorithm because I don't think there's an established audience for actual interracial conversation in America. You don't see it on TV, you don't see it certainly on mainstream media. But you know what? Even as we peel off from mainstream media to independent media, we don't see it in independent media either. We still don't see it.

Mark Hayes (34:04.172)
No, so few.

Mark Hayes (34:23.83)
Still don't see it. Nope.

Brock Ganeles (34:28.492)
She's got her show, right? Roland Martin's got his thing deal, Hughley. We still don't see interracial conversations on anyone's algorithm, so I just don't think there's any momentum for the feed. And I just believe that America is avoiding the conversation. We just don't have it. And I should have just prefaced that as white America will not engage in the conversation.

Mark Hayes (34:38.229)
At all.

Mark Hayes (34:44.268)
Makes sense.

Brock Ganeles (34:58.412)
And I'm hoping that this election is a partial referendum on that.

Mark Hayes (35:04.076)
Let's hope so.

Brock Ganeles (35:04.53)
And I think the only way to force it is to elect more diverse black and brown candidates and push them into the political realm because once they're in the political realm, it forces different conversations. You can't think it's almost like you can't be ignored. Circle back to electability, which is why there has to be really big turnout for candidates of color, LGBTQ candidates, because otherwise these aren't discussions.

Mark Hayes (35:20.354)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (35:34.765)
that ever fucking happen and none of our algorithms will ever promote it.

Mark Hayes (35:41.354)
Right. Right. Which is sad.

Brock Ganeles (35:43.658)
So I guess I'm frustrated, disappointed, angry, mad about all those factors, but also determined to try to change it.

Mark Hayes (35:52.545)
And that's what we're doing here every day, bro. All right, my brother, I know you gotta run for your side job, your side hustle. The revolution continues. Yes, sir. See you tomorrow.

Brock Ganeles (35:55.198)
Trying. All right, Mark. Always a pleasure.