2 Men In Black and White: An Honest Conversation

Mark Hayes (00:00.416)
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. Two men in black and white, an honest conversation. Let's get right into it. Donald Trump lying once again. Donald Trump watching prices soar once again. And Donald Trump doing nothing for the American people once again. Brock and Ellis joins us now live with a closer look. Brock, you know, it's funny that we're trying to figure out why things are the way they are.

But Donald Trump doesn't give a shit. And why can't we just come to that realization that Donald Trump doesn't give a shit about the American people? All he wants to do is enrich himself.

Brock Ganeles (00:41.698)
People don't want to acknowledge it. Right? It's it's like it's like a hard truth for them to swallow because then you have to self-reflect and recognize that you played along with the game the whole time.

Mark Hayes (00:59.936)
Mm.

Brock Ganeles (01:00.586)
Instead of j you right? 'Cause it just becomes and and the more you play the game, the harder it is to then say, yo, you know what? This has been total bullshit from the start. There's been nothing about this that had anything to do with the success, vision, future of the American people. Zero. Nothing to do with it. And

Mark Hayes (01:11.69)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (01:25.666)
You know, I it becomes harder and harder to walk away from if you're someone that has bought into it, even in the smallest way along the path. And it's getting harder and harder because the commentary from Trump is getting more and more just lunatic laden, right? Like it's it's just it's there's nothing about the current scenario that you can

Mark Hayes (01:46.794)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (01:53.881)
you know, grab a hold of and say this is real, this is beneficial, this is strategic. Like we're so past that point.

Mark Hayes (02:01.853)
Yeah. And he's become a delusional now, still lying about nine eleven, saying that he was down at ground zero trying to see what he could do to help. Donald Trump has never done anything courageous in his life. how is he trying to push that narrative out there and talk about how firemen had to lift him up and carry him and you know, he acknowledged that he was a fat slob, so you know, it wasn't easy to do. But I don't understand.

What fireman would have time would have had time to grab him and move him and help him get anywhere on nine eleven. He was not the issue. Why is he always fucking making it about himself? God almighty.

Brock Ganeles (02:46.681)
Yeah.

Every part of that story is such an easily debunked lie. Well, the fact that he's so pathological that he's still telling the story 25 years later is somewhat mind-boggling, but it gives us a window into the person. Number two is anyone who it was a New Yorker, had any connection to New York, absolutely knew Donald Trump wasn't down there. Donald Trump was a at that point was a businessman who lived in mid.

Yeah.

Mark Hayes (03:18.526)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (03:18.786)
Was he coming down there in his suit? He was going downtown where no one was allowed to go after nine eleven except for the first responders. we're supposed to believe that he was allowed to go down there in his suit and tie for what purpose? He was just a business guy in New York, right? He wouldn't have been allowed down there. We know he had no interest in going down there, and we know that his only commentary during that time was to start bragging immediately that one of his buildings was now the tallest building in New York City.

Mark Hayes (03:25.768)
Right.

Mark Hayes (03:32.127)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (03:48.673)
City because the World Trade Center had been knocked down. And his and number two, that he was seeing Muslims celebrating. Both both flat out lies. But he's clinging to those lies 25 years later, regurgitating them because he's upset that they won't let him speak at the 9 11 memorial ceremony, which is the 25th anniversary ceremony, where they have a policy of not letting politicians speak. But he's a you know, it's a personal affront to him, so he's dredging up.

Mark Hayes (03:51.912)
Right.

Mark Hayes (03:56.403)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (04:18.626)
all his lies about like sort of what a great human being and humanitarian he was in the moment, as New Yorkers we know total and utter bullshit.

Mark Hayes (04:29.925)
Right. Right. And it's sad that he uses especially that day for political gain and, you know, political gamesmanship and you know, to try to score political points and to come out there and lie on a s you know w I mean, Brock, what what do we have to compare w what, Pearl Harbor? We weren't around for that.

But in our lifetimes, 9-11 is it, bro. 9-11 is it. And you know, what, 3,600 people, 3,500 people lost their lives that day. We had no idea what was going on. And, you know, here we are 25 years later. He's still running his mouth, you know, delusionally, you know, as if he had anything to offer. He's got nothing to offer.

That solemn marking of that day does not require his presence at all. Rudy Giuliani, why he would be there after the turn he's taken, he's unwell too. I wouldn't have him there because he's not well. I'd ha I'm I'd probably have W there. If I had to have a president there, it'd be W. because

At least he showed us that he gave a shit about America and American lives. Now, all that subsequent stuff that happened, that's another discussion. But that week he threw the baseball out at Yankee Stadium when he stood atop that pile of rubble, right? When Americans came together like we had never seen before. W.

was pretty much the driving force behind that. You know I got my issues with W, but I'm gonna give him credit where the credit is due.

Brock Ganeles (06:31.766)
Alright, you're finding silver linings because this whole nine eleven twenty-fifth anniversary thing is just pissing me off on so many fronts. So we can start with the fact that Trump is still lying about like his role, his fictitious role in the nine eleven comeback story, right? So starting with that, that he's still, you know, pathologically lying about it and self-aggrandizing himself. The secondary story is now that the Mandani release

Mark Hayes (06:39.721)
Right.

Mark Hayes (06:50.684)
Okay. All right.

Brock Ganeles (07:01.68)
The in essence in essence the report relative to the air quality in New York City after 9-11, where Rudy Giuliani and his mayoral regime came out right away saying that the air quality was fine, had all those first responders out there and pushed. Remember, we all and we're all

you know, we're all at fault for this, commended him for getting qu us, quote, back to normal so quickly.

Mark Hayes (07:28.393)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (07:33.859)
But in the move to go back to normal, Giuliani and his team knew that they were putting all those first responders at risk to work in terrible air quality conditions, and that's why we've had just so many incidents of cancer amongst the first responders who are down there. John Stewart, among others, has been fighting

Mark Hayes (07:48.593)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (07:56.675)
with the responders and their families for decades now. We're two and a half decades in. Mitch McConnell was fighting against the funding of the first responders and the fact that they got this

Mark Hayes (07:56.969)
For years.

Brock Ganeles (08:10.934)
report just today. They they found out what they knew the whole time, that they'd been lied to and that the air quality was terrible. And yeah, you said 3,000 plus lives died on the day of 911, but thousands of others died early deaths because they were sent out there to work in what was known to be

Mark Hayes (08:16.883)
Right. Right.

Mark Hayes (08:28.689)
Right. Because of nine eleven.

Brock Ganeles (08:35.988)
s hazardous conditions, right? The amount of lung cancers off the charts and other bizarre cancers because

Mark Hayes (08:38.141)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (08:44.706)
God knows what carcinogens were in the concrete and the walling and the asbestos that was flowing down from those buildings and if the particles that set an air quality forever. So we we just learned that today, so there's no fucking way Giuliani should be there because he got to pound his chest like he was a hero, but he was looking the other way at the downside, as was Christy Todd Whitman, who was the head of the EPA at the time, which was a part of George Bush's administration, which is why I don't give George Bush a pass because

Mark Hayes (08:52.977)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (09:14.64)
I give him credit he did bring the country together, but at what

Mark Hayes (09:19.817)
Complicit

Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (09:30.955)
At what cost? And the cost to a lot of New Yorkers, that cost was huge. My last point before I throw it back to you is, Mark, why do these first responders, policemen, firemen and the like, why do they continue to support

Mark Hayes (09:31.101)
At what cost?

Brock Ganeles (09:49.483)
a political party and politicians that never have their interest at heart. They're played as tools and fools and discarded. So I know the answer to the question I'm asking you, but why? Why do they support Donald Trump?

Mark Hayes (09:56.734)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (10:08.446)
Yeah. First of all, let me go on record and apologize for giving W a pass. You made me feel awful. but we know the reason why. The reason why is the racism. The reason why is because Donald Trump hates the same people they do. And he makes it known. And, you know, until

Brock Ganeles (10:14.19)
Uh-huh.

You're trying.

Mark Hayes (10:38.824)
White America comes to grip with the fact that they are what appears to be in the majority racist, because that's how they keep winning, white men, white women, putting Trump over the top along with the Latino vote, some of the others. yeah, that's I mean, that's what it is. Let's call a spade a spade.

And we keep dancing around this issue with the mainstream media. look, Joy Reed called it out, she's no longer employed in the mainstream media, right? Jamel Hill called it out, she's no longer employed in the mainstream media. so you can't call it out and stay employed and keep your job, right? In this current environment. So, what does that tell us? Well, that tells us that black America again.

Is under attack. again, systematic oppression, systemic oppression is alive and well. we saw it with 600,000 African American women sent to the unemployment roles, and the assault continues. We're now seeing seeing hangings that police officers seem to keep finding. That's strange.

who's hanging all these African Americans? And if it's not about race, again, my question is where are the white victims? Where are the white hanging deaths? Where are the white kids that are hanging themselves because they're so distraught? we're not seeing that. All right. And then again, we look at the microcosm of the United States in Ocean Springs, Mississippi, and we know what it is. It's the racism. That's why first responders, police.

police unions are standing up with Donald Trump at these rallies in full uniform, supporting his message of craziness and delusion and you know electric shocking gloves or mittens to inflict more pain on those who don't belong here to.

Mark Hayes (13:00.98)
Wa white people have commandeered as their country.

It is what it is. It's the racism stupid. And until we acknowledge that, and until we decide we're gonna do better as a country, and that we're better as an inclusive, multicultural, multi-ethnic conglomerate, we will not be allowed to have nice things, Brock. We just won't. We just won't. And I'm still waiting, speaking of 9-11, and I don't wish to push this.

push this into the ecosystem and I hope it doesn't come true. But, you know, hearing the reports of Baron being in seclusion, Melania being very, very you know, strategic with her appearances, I I wouldn't be surprised if we saw another attack on our homeland from the Iranians. especially with the Ayatollah that they have in charge right now. And I hate to say it.

but anything's possible with what Trump is doing and the way he has frayed our relationships with in in in the global context.

Brock Ganeles (14:21.068)
You know, I don't think they're gonna do that because they don't want to galvanize the American people. And that it's better to let us unravel and split apart and f have our own little civil war here and the only thing that does bring us together every twenty five years or so is maybe i an external attack. So that's why I don't think that anyone's coming after us right now, 'cause as you always point out, Putin says that he'll tear us apart without ever firing a bullet. So

Don't you know, w don't help us get out of our own way. So I I I think that's the reason why there has been no incidents on American soil in like pretty much the Trump era. Because it's this you know, keep this idiot you know

Mark Hayes (14:56.712)
Right. Right.

Mark Hayes (15:06.058)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (15:12.61)
worried about ballrooms and reflecting pools and monuments to himself, don't let him get the seventy percent of us that disapprove of him actually on his side because we feel like that he has a justifiable reason now to go to war or to do something. Because look at the Iran war. Why would Iran mess with what's going on? Right? Like they're winning. They're winning. They've made th they've made fool of us fools of us. They're now gonna what, turn the Strait of Horn Moose?

Mark Hayes (15:23.242)
Right.

Mark Hayes (15:30.485)
Right.

Mark Hayes (15:37.152)
They're kicking ass.

Brock Ganeles (15:42.567)
into their own personal ATM machine when pre pre war the Strait of Ormuz was free and now they're navig negotiating a way to get paid for it. So like they just, you know I mean, I know they're struggling now 'cause of sanctions, but we're gonna give them this huge piggy bank that they're gonna have for the rest of their lives because Trump decided he Netanyahu decided that Trump needed to go into a war that I I was reading today. It's like we've been there for

Mark Hayes (15:46.065)
Mm-hmm.

Mark Hayes (15:53.758)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (16:12.4)
longer my god, I couldn't even remember the staff. But we've been we've been in the Middle East now. I mean, we can't not call it a war yeah, can't not call it a war anymore. No, I think it's up like more like eight. I feel like it's been the whole year.

Mark Hayes (16:21.376)
What's it four months?

Mark Hayes (16:26.492)
Is it is it that yeah. Yeah, because we went right away as soon as he got in office. I mean, you know, early late January, early February. So yeah, it's it's it's it's a sham. It's a joke. There are no adults in the office. You know, that that was the only thing that saved us from this kind of destruction in in 1.0. And you know, but but you know, the thing is, Brock, where do we go from here?

Right? Even if even if we impeach and remove right first thing in 2027, how do we put this thing back together? by the way, did you get your tariff check, your doji check, any check that says Trump on it? We got nothing. We've got nothing. The guy's full of shit. And he's always going to be. So, you know, now we're dealing with tariffs.

Look, this this may be the most expensive Christmas in the history of Christmases with these Canadian tariffs that they just s slapped on us today. You know, the Prime Minister Kearney up there doing a bang up job. He's hit he's punching back. Punching back.

Brock Ganeles (17:39.811)
People are gonna have to stop buying shit. Well, they're gonna be forced to stop buying shit 'cause they're not gonna any money. So that's just gonna become it's not gonna be it's not gonna be a choice. But I I don't I don't see how we're gonna get anywhere until the the discussion and the narrative changes. I mean, I'm I'm kicking myself for watching mainstream media today, like a morning joe. And there was literally a a point in the show where they had eight different the eight different faces on the screen. It was all white people, right? Eight eight white people on the screen, including like Caddy K.

Mark Hayes (17:42.138)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (18:06.644)
Sure.

Brock Ganeles (18:09.824)
Who's from the UK. So they even had to import in white people just so they could have more white people on the panel. And they were talking about the polling that was being done and how Dems need to deal with, quote, immigration and the border. Like, why not just say it? Dealing with immigration and the border is dealing with American xenophobia and racism. And no one talked about the fact that we have hundreds of concentration camps right now and we've just rounded people up. There's

Mark Hayes (18:11.444)
Right.

Mark Hayes (18:16.959)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (18:25.941)
What?

Mark Hayes (18:29.524)
Racism. Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (18:39.684)
sitting in them, our ICE agents are stealing their money and jewelry and they're dying without health care and no one can get into the facilities. Like that's not even talked about. It's just gotta be talked about the strategic nature of Dems, making sure they talk about the border and then

Mark Hayes (18:55.304)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (18:57.144)
A full dissertation on once again our beloved farmers in the Bible Belt, Midwest, Real America, right? Who who are the ones that really set the tone for this whole country and how despite the fact that they're all losing most of their money and they're mad about the Argentinian beef.

Mark Hayes (19:02.817)
For every time.

Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (19:18.914)
They're aren't really going anywhere. Like we can't figure out, but they still vote for Trump because, you know, at least with Trump they know what they're getting and he's a straight shooter and they respect him for like you always know where Trump stands. And they couldn't get that same kind of feel about Kamala or other Democratic candidates. And I'm just like, come on, come on, you're gonna s make me sit here for an hour and watch your show while you twist yourselves in knots trying to figure out why white Americans continue to vote.

Mark Hayes (19:21.706)
Right.

Mark Hayes (19:31.904)
No. God.

Mark Hayes (19:36.796)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (19:48.801)
for institutional racism and that Trump just happens to be a better better band leader than they usually have, but it you know, it's been so embedded in the party and the American political scheme. Mitt Romney had the same policies. Fucking McCain had the same policies. George Bush had the same policies. It's the same policies all the way through.

Mark Hayes (19:52.563)
Right.

Mark Hayes (20:13.087)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (20:14.008)
Trump just says it out loud more so it becomes quote more of a movement than just another day at the American office. But it but but no one will t i the the term race is never even brought up.

Mark Hayes (20:19.496)
Right.

Mark Hayes (20:23.822)
Yep.

Brock Ganeles (20:30.954)
in the discussion of how that may be a factor in how the American electorate votes. And it's like we pretend. It's like you said, it's like looking at the Nolan Wells death and pretending as if the fact that he's black has nu has nothing to do with it. As if he if he was Billy Bob, you know

Mark Hayes (20:38.41)
Right.

Mark Hayes (20:47.519)
Right.

Mark Hayes (20:54.144)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (20:54.456)
Gulliver down there who died on the boat, that this would have played it played out the same way. That the the Mississippi authorities and the governor would have immediately said, No, no, no, Billy Bob Gulliver's death can't have any foul play involved.

Mark Hayes (21:12.202)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (21:12.588)
Like it's just it's impossible. You you just you have to like be deluding yourself to look at things and not understand the underlying motivations. But we won't talk about Like you said, everyone who starts to bring it up gets kicked off, even the left-wing stations, right? Joy Reed can't even stay on the left wing station. We gotta bring in if we're gonna have a blackface, it's gotta be an ex-Republican guy, a Michael Steele. He's gotta be like to the right. We can't even get the left wing.

Mark Hayes (21:22.335)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (21:42.592)
guy and Morning Joe will bring like Al Sharpton in like once every two weeks. Right? So then it's gotta be the the eighty year old black guy, right? It can't be like a young firebrand who's really talking s you know honestly.

Mark Hayes (21:47.54)
Yeah. Yeah.

Right.

Mark Hayes (21:54.545)
Right. One of the Yeah, Elijah Martin is a great follow by the way. He was on iHip with Jennifer Welch. And let me tell you something, it was a great show. That guy is smart. he made the rounds on CNN with Abby Phillips and he was handling folks on there. This guy is a wealth of knowledge and a true historian. He's young, hip, cool, quick witted.

And a joy to watch. But yeah, you know, it is what it is. but you know what? That's a great place to wrap up. You got a quick hit for me before we get out of here?

Brock Ganeles (22:35.485)
you go first. Let me get my brain like thinking about the one I had. Yeah.

Mark Hayes (22:38.472)
Unscramble it, you're all scrambled eggs. All right. Hey. bet you didn't know. since Roe v. Wade was overturned, more women have been prosecuted for miscarriages than men for being in the Epstein Files. The score thirty one women prosecuted, zero men.

And I mean the one loss is what, Prince Andrew, who lost his title, lost his lost his his mansion out there in Yorkshire. Yeah, we could say 31 to one. Yeah. Exactly. sad. What a sad state we live in. And Brock, you know what gets me most about the Epstein file is that the victims were white women. There was there was there's a couple of Latinas and

Brock Ganeles (23:12.17)
One. The real victim, right? The real victim. Hmm.

Mark Hayes (23:34.608)
one African American woman that I've seen. But apparently the racism still applied, you know, to the criminal, you know, pedophilias. I I I

Brock Ganeles (23:46.977)
I thi I think when it just comes down to the hierarchy of needs, right? It's more important to protect the class and the system than to protect those women. So they just got bumped underneath the priority so they're just lost in lost in the shuffle. But when I hear the story that you just laid out, but are white women still gonna vote?

Mark Hayes (23:59.201)
Right.

Mark Hayes (24:04.319)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (24:11.948)
MAGA in of in fifty six days? Have they just overlooked have they just overlooked that? Have they just decided that the personal rights, hmm they were important but not a red line. I still like the order of things and I don't want there to be too much change around here. Right? I can't have Al Sayyed winning in the Senate. my god, that would you know, that would destroy the entire order of the America if if there was one Muslim guy in the Senate.

Mark Hayes (24:12.244)
Good question.

Good question.

Brock Ganeles (24:39.68)
I'm okay with the old white guy who's like brain dead and maybe like in a basement and hasn't showed up for eighty days. I'm okay with that guy. But I can't have the Muslim guy as a part of the Senate.

Mark Hayes (24:51.348)
Yeah, God forbid.

Brock Ganeles (24:53.61)
Okay, my quick is a question just to get controversial again. Why is Bakari Sellers saying that Angie Nixon can't win in Florida and that the Democratic Party should not fund her in any way, shape, or form, as if there aren't enough voices? Mainstream, middle of the road, four guys in an Iowa diner, Ken Martin, Akeem Jeffries, fucking Schumer types that are already gonna say that Angie Nixon can't win in Florida?

Mark Hayes (25:20.042)
Help me with that.

Brock Ganeles (25:23.504)
Florida, why is Bakari sellers on that bandwagon? I don't understand it.

Mark Hayes (25:30.76)
I have no idea. I have no idea and it hurts me. you saw what she did with literally no money. Literally with no money.

Brock Ganeles (25:41.548)
Yeah, she was out she was outspent ten to one, seventeen to one, something like that.

Mark Hayes (25:44.65)
Yeah. And again, Brock, what have we been saying for what several months now? The the the party is not where the people are, right?

Brock Ganeles (25:55.315)
Every one of these races is on the table. Every one of them is winnable. And she's a really good candidate.

Mark Hayes (25:58.207)
Yes. Yes. Yes.

Super candidate. Super candidate. And folks, if you read anything about her, you would understand why. and I would I would urge you to Google Angie Nixon, look her up, look up her record, look up her positions, look up her policy positions. She's where the people are. And and and let me tell you something, Brock, people are hurting in Florida. People are hurting big time in Florida. And let me tell you something, Byron Donald is not the answer.

as governor. Right? I I mean, you know, I'd love to have an after

Brock Ganeles (26:37.622)
Yeah, he might not carry the ticket. People may not show up. Turnout could be shitty. Like, she can win. That woman in I forget her name in South Carolina can win. There's so many winnable races. I just don't we're fifty six days out. I don't want to hear about anyone talking about which ones can't be pulled off.

Mark Hayes (26:40.872)
Yes.

Mark Hayes (26:55.936)
Don't wanna hear it, bro. Don't wanna hear it. It's a joke. And you know, they need to do some research if they're not quite sure why these people can win. They need to read a little bit more into what's happening out here and get connected to the people. Again. Yes.

Brock Ganeles (27:15.338)
And s and scare them. Make the make make MAGA spend a lot of money in Florida, just like they're gonna have to spend a lot of money in Texas because they're scared because Ken Paxson's the worst candidate that's probably ever run for Senate in American history. So make these races competitive. And and the beautiful thing is that Trump wants to insert himself in because he can't help it.

Mark Hayes (27:30.864)
my God, yes.

Brock Ganeles (27:42.668)
To the tune of he's doing this this midterm w what is he calling this thing in in Dallas that he's doing? Where he's gonna speak two nights in a row where they're trying to charge people twenty five grand where no one wants to show up, where Ivanka's not showing up, right? This could be a you know, another train wreck and the fact that Trump wants to insert him in all these races is like a a gift from the gods to these Democratic candidates. So can we ju can we

Mark Hayes (27:50.72)
Yeah, this round thing. Yeah.

Mark Hayes (28:07.687)
yeah. Pretend I'm on the ballot.

Brock Ganeles (28:12.592)
Just go into every race, look

assuming there's a chance to win it and and don't write shit off fifty six days out when you're not even running against high quality candidates when Trump's approval rating keeps going down because if you punt on it today, you can't turn not turn it on with a week or two to go. So like it's I don't know, from I got the sports mentality, Mark, I'm just like well you don't go into any game thinking you can't win it.

Mark Hayes (28:24.852)
Right. The candidates on the R side suck. Yep.

Mark Hayes (28:42.772)
Y that's why we play the game. Hello? That's why you play the game.

Brock Ganeles (28:49.578)
All right, so that one was frustrating to me.

Mark Hayes (28:51.71)
Yeah. The Democrats are are almost like it's almost like they want us to lose. It's it's insane. All right, buddy. Get some rest. Unscramble the eggs. Revolution. Peace.

Brock Ganeles (29:00.398)
All right, Mark. I thank you. Always a pleasure. I'll talk to you tomorrow.