2 Men In Black and White: An Honest Conversation

Mark Hayes (00:01.196)
Alright, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. Two men in black and white, an honest conversation. Are you angry? Are you tired? Are you aggravated? Are you sick of the lies? Are you sick and tired of Donald Trump and his MAGA cronies sitting there crying the blues and saying, but the Democrats, when they have all three legislative, all three branches of government? Yeah, well, we are. We're fucking fed up.

And we're done with it. And we hope that the key messengers in the Blue Party are ready to finally do their thing. Brock and Ellis joins me now from the beautiful confines of the lovely upper Hudson River Valley. Brock, I'm sick of this fucking guy. I'm sick of him making excuses for his fucking Qatari jet. We're using the goddamn Air Force One, the regular Air Force One.

As much as we are this Kadari jet because it sucks. And the craftsmanship. Well, you know what? If it if it has catastrophic failure mid-flight, well, you know, this this is this is what you get. This is what you wanted. This is what you needed. You don't trust American craftsmanship? Why is that? You s you hear whining today on the tarmac about the Qatari jet. It's got more problems.

And you know what? Fuck you, Donald. We don't want to hear about the problems with your free half a billion dollar jet. Right? You didn't give a shit about those kids who got their SNAP benefits snatched away. You didn't give a damn about the women who don't have the right to choose what to do with their own bodies. You don't give a damn about the thirty-one women that have been prosecuted for having miscarriages or abortions. You know what? So to hell with you, to hell with that airplane.

And wherever the fuck it ends up, it ends up. You know, I I put it on the trash heap of history.

Brock Ganeles (02:03.278)
Another bargain basement, idiotic decision. What was it? The the emergency landing gear just kinda fell out of the plane runway today. I mean it's it's symbolic of of Trump. It's terrible decision making. It's a grift. It's you know choosing the shiny object instead of something that has substance and actually works properly. It just it's it shows the America that he's kind of built in his image, right?

Mark Hayes (02:10.112)
Right, right.

Brock Ganeles (02:32.248)
knock down knock down the West Wing try to build a gaudy ballroom it's I just feel like finally finally there's there's a feeling of a counter movement against MAGA that is under lie underpinned by what you'd said earlier like aggravation like just an absolute fed

Mark Hayes (02:32.408)
Right.

Mark Hayes (02:55.662)
Mm-hmm.

Brock Ganeles (03:01.866)
Up with this regime, fed up with the corruption, fed up with the disdain for our troops overseas, fed up with the lying that we're served all the time, being told affordability's a hoax, being told we're in the greatest economy of all time, being told that Donald Trump was heroic on 9-11. Like we're just

Mark Hayes (03:14.786)
Mm-hmm.

Mark Hayes (03:20.419)
Mm-hmm.

Mark Hayes (03:26.498)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (03:27.342)
An overall fatigue that's led to a boiling anger that's starting to pop up, and that's the energy that's gonna be needed to win a civil war. So three months ago we asked if it was a a moment or a movement after the Knicks won and New York City was in a euphoric state, and then the World Cup came and all these international travelers pumped us up and excited America about itself for a period of time.

Mark Hayes (03:53.602)
Yeah. Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (03:56.327)
But I think that the sort of the the downer that we had after the World Cup was so like fueled transitioned to an anger. That like, why aren't we living better? Why isn't this a more joyful place? And that there's just been no tolerance anymore for the bullshit.

Mark Hayes (04:04.365)
Mm-hmm.

Mark Hayes (04:15.66)
Yes.

Brock Ganeles (04:21.382)
the farmers and the ranchers whining that they're losing money and that they're getting screwed by Trump when they voted for it like, you know, three times and are ready to vote for it a fourth time 'cause they're still they wanna blame Biden or somehow they wanna blame someone other than themselves for being racist assholes and only crying, you know, crocodile tears now that it impacts them. So I think the left is starting to show a boiling anger and I only hope that

Mark Hayes (04:45.389)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (04:50.712)
leaders emerge that reflect it because the Hakeems and the Schumers and the Ken Martins and the like and even like the Corey Bookers you know, the the senators that are the Colbishars who were too soft after the Lindsey Graham death is saying the words that no one wanted to fucking hear and d and no one thought were warranted and the conciliatory, well if you g if you knew him better, he's actually a funny guy. It's like telling me that like Hitler was a good juggler.

Mark Hayes (05:04.49)
Yes.

Brock Ganeles (05:20.112)
I don't care what he fucking did at cocktail parties, right? It's a horrendous human being that's destroying lives. Don't tell me you have some intimate, friendly relationship on the side that is outside of that. So I think we are kind of reflected as well, just like we're just tiny tired of hearing the bullshit.

Mark Hayes (05:20.258)
You're right.

Right.

Mark Hayes (05:40.527)
We we absolutely are, Brock, and you would think again that the party would recognize that, but again, the party is not at the same place where the people are. The people are much more angry and it's much more visceral. I mean, the the social media comebacks and attacks from the left on those farmers was

Just music to my ears. I really enjoy watching them getting stomped. Right? I really enjoyed it because here's the deal, Brock. We're getting mystery meat now on store shelves. We don't know what it is. We don't know if it's horse meat. Remember the horse meat rumors with McDonald's? Yeah, they're serving you kangaroo and horse meat at McDonald's. You know? All these crappy r

We're literally getting mystery meat now. And we don't know where it's coming. Donald Trump doesn't even know where it's coming from. He was at a press conference yesterday just spewing shit off the cuff. It's coming from Argentina, it's coming from Brazil, it's coming from places. Place, many places, many places. He doesn't even fucking know. So, you know, the fact that we have to live in question, what is it, blueberries giving you, you know, explosive diarrhea, lettuce?

you know, dehydrating you to the point where you could possibly die. We've got you know, measles outbreaks, polio's making a comeback, leprosy's here again.

Why are we living like this? You know, because Vladimir Putin wants us to. That's why. And he's got his useful idiot right here in the White House, you know, who's wifeless. By the way, where's Natalie Harp? I haven't seen her lately. Is she still riding around in the trunks of, you know, the the the the the monster president mobile? Anyway, who cares? but watching those farmers,

Mark Hayes (07:49.197)
you know, just get hammered on social media was a beautiful thing because that's what we should have been doing what eight, nine, ten years ago, is hammering these MAGA people and making them go away. And I think this midterm, we need to beat MAGA so bad that they don't come back, that they just go away. I and and let's hope, you know, that these MAGA idiots who lose their farms

Let's hope they lose their phones too and are unable to even engage on social media. because I don't even want to hear from it. I don't want to hear from them.

Brock Ganeles (08:23.622)
Yeah, I mean

And no punches should be pulled, right? Why was Lindsay Graham allowed to live some sort of double life for 30 years that everyone sort of knew about but didn't really know about, where he got to pretend to be someone he wasn't and he could be an anti-LGBTQ warrior in public and gay in private. No, there's no more allowing that courtesy of people. I don't care what somebody who somebody is, be whoever you are as a human being.

Mark Hayes (08:29.974)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (08:50.646)
Exactly.

Mark Hayes (08:54.978)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (08:56.828)
Josh Hawley's gay? Okay. I don't care with I'm fine with that. What I'm not fine with him is being a closeted gay who's also bigoted against the LGBT community and fighting and putting restrictions in place, and maybe a woman hater, so he's voting against women's right to choose. So I want to know who the person is. I want to know the substance of the human being that's making the decisions that that affect other people's lives.

Mark Hayes (09:16.686)
Boom.

Brock Ganeles (09:25.584)
So, no more protecting anybody in any way, shape, or form. I want everything laid out on the table about everyone in terms of who they are because no we know character matters. Honesty matters. So someone's living a fake secret life, they're not honest. So don't expect them to be honest as a politician. And I don't want that type of person making decisions about other people's lives and the rights and liberties of.

Mark Hayes (09:25.678)
Boom.

Mark Hayes (09:47.832)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (09:54.873)
Of other people when someone is so damaged that they can't be themselves. We see that the credibility of the human being matters. In putting Donald Trump as president, we see that if somebody's lying about their fake valor valor at 9-11, which was 25 years ago, that's probably a pretty damaged, sad, fucked up, shitty human being. And guess what? You give that person power isn't gonna make them better.

Mark Hayes (10:02.924)
Yep. Well

Mark Hayes (10:24.492)
Right. Right. Right. And Brock, look what happened at ground zero because of the character of some of the individuals involved with the decisions that led to the deaths of who knows how many ground zero workers and people living in close proximity to ground zero, lower Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island, the Bronx, right? Jersey, Jersey City.

Brock Ganeles (10:25.082)
Gonna make them worse.

Mark Hayes (10:54.454)
Right? Hoboken. I mean, we we can just I mean, on up into the valley, up into Hudson the Hudson River Valley. And and we we and Rudy Giuliani, right, was not the person we thought he was. He was not the person we thought he was. His character sucks and still does.

Brock Ganeles (11:17.084)
John Stewart put the number at 10,000 additional deaths related to the World Trade Center based upon the air quality and the cleanup. And let's let's face it, that was true valor, right? Though the first responders trying to find bodies and save anyone who could be saved, and then after that to find remains. We see the photos of them. They're down there. They weren't wearing masks like they were in a hazardous area.

They weren't even wearing the kind of mask that most of us wore during COVID to stay alive, right? They were just sucking it in, sucking in the asbestos 12, 14, 16 hours a day because they were told it was fine. The character of the leadership made a decision. The decision was we need to get back to normal, get that economy going again, because that's what's best for the one percenters. We need to get that stock market open by Wednesday.

Mark Hayes (11:46.488)
Right.

Mark Hayes (11:51.82)
Right. Right.

Mark Hayes (12:11.011)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (12:14.288)
So we needed everyone out there twenty-four seven. And would it cost more money to give everyone masks to work out there? And where was that money gonna come from, right? We never have money for shit that saves lives. But we could cut taxes left and right.

Mark Hayes (12:22.582)
Right.

Mark Hayes (12:27.586)
Right.

Right. 'Cause we got plenty of money for the one percenters, right? There's plenty of opportunity for them to get the things that they need and want. They don't need it. They want it, right? But they're not willing to pay their fair share. So that

Brock Ganeles (12:45.084)
So of those ten thousand lives that John Stewart mentions, you know, what per s what amount of them were the one percenters? No, that was blue collar New York City that suffered and died. That's why I'm always so pissed when that same blue collar New York City is fucking MAGA. MAGA didn't give a shit about their lives, but they turn around and give a shit about the MAGA movement. They cling so hard to their racism that they can't even see past the fact that their whole

Mark Hayes (12:54.626)
Yep. Yep.

Mark Hayes (13:01.666)
Yep. you're right.

Brock Ganeles (13:14.566)
That their families were devastated by the people they support.

Mark Hayes (13:20.226)
Mm-hmm. Isn't it amazing? They're willing to sacrifice almost anything for their hate of others and their disdain of others.

Brock Ganeles (13:31.216)
And so many of them are so up in arms now that Mandani's gonna attend the nine eleven ceremony, right? 'Cause is 'cause of his 'cause he's Muslim.

Mark Hayes (13:39.372)
Right. Right. What what's offensive?

Brock Ganeles (13:42.663)
But they're not up in arms they're not up in arms that Donald Trump is gonna boycott the ceremony 'cause he can't give a political speech at it, and the fact that it was the MAGA types like Trump, his whole movement and Giuliani were the ones that ultimately hid the fact that the air quality in downtown New York was at dangerous levels, hid it for twenty five years till Mondani released it.

Mark Hayes (13:50.925)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (14:10.396)
Think about all the mayors that didn't release it. Bloomberg Bloomberg had twelve years to release it. He didn't release it. Didn't want anyone to know. Didn't want accountability didn't want accountability.

Mark Hayes (14:13.325)
Right.

Mark Hayes (14:18.192)
leave.

Unbelievable. Yep. The one percent afraid to take any accountability for fear that it might impact their their checking account balance or their portfolio.

Brock Ganeles (14:34.746)
It might upset people, might upset order, we might have chaos. We things might not things may get a little quote out of hand. And if they get out of hand that that disrupts the economy and that disrupts money making. So we can't have the people upset. Because if they're upset, they may think about changing shit. That's why I only hope, and I kind of sense it, that finally.

Mark Hayes (14:37.762)
Right.

Mark Hayes (14:42.999)
And they should.

Mark Hayes (14:47.649)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (15:03.216)
The complacent left is starting to show signs of being upset to the point where they're willing to break some China to get some things done. It's rare in America. We always just want to get back to normal.

Mark Hayes (15:08.427)
Right.

Mark Hayes (15:13.74)
Right. Yes it is. Right? Right. Brock, what do you make of this midterm convention that you know Trump is pulling out of his ass and his shitty diaper to to I mean, what do you think he's up to?

Brock Ganeles (15:31.571)
I think it's an embarrassing vanity project. I think that he's upset that the that he's not running and the midterms aren't about him. So I think his ego misses the action. I think he can't get the same crowds he used to get. So he thought that this could be a way to get all that s aggrandizement and love because he f can still sway a good chunk of the v voters. So I think he felt like everyone would go there and kiss the ring and he would be that champion and hero.

Mark Hayes (15:58.189)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (16:00.251)
And it would fill that empty hole in his heart and his soul that he constantly needs filled with adulation. And when he doesn't get it, he makes up fake stories like the nine eleven story to fill the emptiness within him. So I think this whole convention is a way to fill the emptiness within Trump. No one wants to go, but he wants to hear himself talk two nights in a row and get some sort of applause and be on TV. I think it's the the

Mark Hayes (16:06.626)
Yeah. Yeah.

Mark Hayes (16:25.325)
Right.

Right. Yeah, it is

Brock Ganeles (16:29.848)
It's malignant narcissism one one.

Mark Hayes (16:32.534)
Yeah, it is pretty petty and and and and shameful. the fact that he can't have the attention not on him for even one election cycle. Makes no sense. He's even asking people to pretend that he's on the ballot. Like that matters. You know, like, if I'm on the ballot, everything chang No, you got your ass kicked the last election, by the way. You know, just because

You stole it doesn't mean you actually want it. You know, and nobody said that to him yet.

Brock Ganeles (17:07.814)
Let MAGA wear this. Like w I mean he's charging him twenty five thousand dollars. The whole point is he's supposed to help the ticket. He has the bully pulpit. But he's literally charging. It's just another fucking money making grift of a scheme. So let the MAGA chumps have to sit there and listen to him bloviate for two nights in a row. I only hope that the rest of America ignores it, and I'm pretty confident that we will.

Mark Hayes (17:35.405)
Right, right. Without question. Without question. what do you think is going to be impacted most when it comes to these tariffs that we've been hit with in Canada? you know, they they they motorcyc price of motorcycles, I mean the price of everything's going up. But you know, tourism is gonna take another shot in the mouth. you know, and that's your biz.

You know, so I know you're not exactly excited to hear that. but yeah, it's it's gonna get ugly. It's gonna get ugly.

Brock Ganeles (18:15.162)
I don't know what's what's gonna get hit the most. It's hard it's hard to say. I mean, certainly, you know, a spirit's an alcohol will take another hit. You know, they're not gonna drink ours. I guess we're we're gonna we're gonna not drink their Molsons and they're not gonna be drinking our alcohol anymore. So that that hurts in that that side of the business. I mean, but there's a lot of energy that they export to us that I mean, are we do we wanna

Mark Hayes (18:23.619)
Right.

Mark Hayes (18:31.33)
Right.

Mark Hayes (18:39.278)
Mm-hmm.

Brock Ganeles (18:43.792)
raise the price on raise the price of energy even more when oil is now burst back through a hundred dollars a barrel and gas prices continue to go up again and everyone's w you know feeling it and wearing it. And we have, you know, it's look, we're just gonna start touching fall. But do we really want to go into winter and have higher oil prices so people can't heat their homes? I mean it just

Mark Hayes (18:53.582)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (19:08.312)
I know.

Brock Ganeles (19:11.216)
I mean, i it's gonna be a little bit of everything. I it just it's so crazy, right? So while while we're raising prices on one hand, we're importing beef that we're not gonna inspect to try to get prices down at the grocery store, that's an ill fated effort. It's basically, okay, we're gonna give you shitty dog food that may kill you. But you know what? It's gonna be cheaper. So stop complaining. Here we're fixing affordability. Unfortunately when it comes to gas and oil, we can't do that, right? We don't we can't just pull, you know

Mark Hayes (19:25.058)
Mm-hmm.

Mark Hayes (19:39.043)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (19:41.297)
Barrels out of our ass and get that price down. So we're fighting a stupid war unless we stop fighting the stupid war. But we probably can't we can't turn that tide in 56 days, so we're gonna be wearing these higher prices into the election. I mean, when you allow idiots to make decisions, how can you be surprised when you get idiotic outcomes?

Mark Hayes (19:43.18)
Right. Right.

Mark Hayes (19:56.237)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (20:09.112)
I mean you can't be. You can't the problem is the idiots supporting the decision-making idiots don't see them as idiots. They see them as really smart people. That's the problem. And it's only 30% of the country, but that's the percentage of the country that's getting the microphone stuck in front of their face ad nausea. And that's the the the percentage of people that the news media is placating to

I had a conversation with a young lady today, by the way, speaking of mainstream news media in black and white, who had not heard of the Nolan Wells case.

And she's under 30.

She's under 30. Had not heard of the Nolan Wells case. I mean, like, I don't. This is who we are, bro. This is who we're are are we woefully ignorant? Are we blissfully ignorant? Are we ignorant by choice? What what you know, what are we? You know? But shit, ask a MAGA goon about Caitlin Clark.

You know, and they'll tell you how she's being screwed over by the mean black women in the WNBA. Right? How they're running after her to going after her. Really, the black woman is going after a w really? Right? The most, the most attacked and and overlooked person in our society, the black female.

Mark Hayes (21:50.859)
Is in a position of power to go after someone and attack someone? Rock, this is the idiotic things that news outlets are saying right now. E even the sports networks.

Brock Ganeles (22:01.532)
We're ignorant We're ignorant by choice. we there we have all the opportunities to be extremely well informed and well educated. They're out there for us. We're ignorant by choice. One thing that has struck me the whole time s that I from the trip I had in Portugal is was something one of the tour guides said to us when he was giving a tour. And he basically said that in Europe

Mark Hayes (22:06.574)
True that.

Brock Ganeles (22:29.558)
Europeans are willing to honestly address and review their past history. That they don't shy away from their history. They're not proud of everything that's gone on there, but they're but they're willing to talk about it because they feel that if they don't, they won't learn from it and they'll consistently repeat it. Yeah, and he didn't sp yeah, he didn't specifically

Mark Hayes (22:40.79)
I don't know.

Mark Hayes (22:53.228)
Repeat it. Like we do.

Brock Ganeles (22:58.926)
Say, unlike you Americans, but that's certainly what I thought about as I heard it. Is like we're absolutely afraid and unwilling and blissfully ignorant of our own real American history. We're very happy with the bubblegum version that we've created for ourselves, all of which

Mark Hayes (23:04.066)
Be applied.

Brock Ganeles (23:27.834)
Reminds white America how special they are from the revolution and the you know, the founding fathers and gr what great men they were, and they did some great things. But we won't honestly look at them and say, well, but on the other hand, they were also slave owners and they didn't give women the right to vote, and they were really just caring about landowners, so they're a pretty elitist, and they created this electoral college because they didn't trust the commoners. So

Mark Hayes (23:48.504)
Bom

Brock Ganeles (23:56.743)
We don't honestly talk about the full picture, they're just the great founding fathers. And we manifest destiny, we don't want to talk about the fact that we threw some religious fucking you know blurb and one liner on the top of basically massacring the indigenous population of America because we had this manifest destiny to get to the ocean and take over everything.

Mark Hayes (24:02.423)
Right.

Mark Hayes (24:15.95)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (24:23.792)
And that's just like, well, us white people, we deserved that. That was our destiny to kill everybody. Not a decision we made, but a destiny. But there's just so many stories like the Thanksgiving story, somehow the pilgrims and settlers sat down and had a meal together because they were all kumbaya friends. No, we ended up k we ended up killing them all. So we had this sanitized version of history because we wanna make we're so fragile, we want to make ourselves.

Mark Hayes (24:32.942)
Right.

Mark Hayes (24:44.032)
No

Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (24:53.062)
Feel good all the time. That we won't address the actual how we truly got to where we are today. And we can't just say, you know what, a lot of fucked up shit happened, some good shit happened, it was a mixed bag of everything, and we got to where we are today. And you know what? From today we can make ourselves better. And it's why we won't talk about racism. Because we're too white America is too fragile and afraid to talk about.

Mark Hayes (24:54.936)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (25:20.316)
How shitty slavery was and how cruel and brutal our forefathers were in building this country. We also don't talk about massacring Native Americans. We just won't fucking talk about any of that shit. Talk about Thomas Edison, you know, inventing the light bulb and all the great stuff we did in the Industrial Revolution and what a great economy we built.

Mark Hayes (25:25.837)
Right.

Mark Hayes (25:30.893)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (25:35.17)
The indigenous peoples.

Brock Ganeles (25:50.257)
And we won't talk about we won't talk about the negatives. And I for one on this podcast, Two Men in Black and White and Honest Conversation, will from this moment on make it a point to talk about the fucking honest history of America all the fucking time because I'm tired of the fake bullshit. Where else in life do we just fake the past? We're all fucking Donald Trump.

Mark Hayes (25:54.21)
That.

Mark Hayes (26:16.056)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (26:18.374)
pretending this false valor that we didn't really have.

Mark Hayes (26:22.978)
Yeah. Yep. Well the first thing the first thing you you you hear out of white people's mouths when you say let's talk about races. Why I didn't own any slaves. Nobody said you did. Nobody thinks that you're three hundred years old. You know, no nobody thinks you were here in sixteen nineteen. Please settle down and let's talk about the actual systemic oppression that's happening right.

in the corporation that you work in right now. Can't even have that conversation. Can't even have it. So, you know, it is what it is. We need to be able to move forward, you know, with an honest and and and I mean we've been calling for this reckoning for what? The better part of 20 months now, right? 19 months. You know you it's it's what we've been talking about right here. Right here. A more inclusive right

Multicultural, multi-ethnic society that that leaves room for everyone to thrive. Just think about all the money that's been lost because of racism. Trillions of dollars just since 2020. That's not going back another century or two. We've lost a lot of money because. Think about all the wasted souls, Brock, in

Our prison industrial complex. I mean, we're the only place that does it this well. 2.4 million

Brock Ganeles (27:54.301)
We're forty trilli we're forty trillion in debt. Look at all the money we've spent on the Iran war, all because of racism. The the fact that Donald Trump is president, the whole MAGA movement is because of racism. So attribute every dollar lost, every step backwards in American prestige and American influence in the world, all the advantages we've lost now, all the dollars we've lost through tariff wars.

Mark Hayes (28:02.998)
Right. Right?

Brock Ganeles (28:23.93)
All the op the educ opportunity cost we're losing along the way and not educating our populace in losing the best of the best and smartest of the smartest who are leaving the country because we're chasing them out, the decline in you know, new medicines and life saving medicines because we've decided science doesn't matter, the people are gonna be blindsided by hurricanes and tornadoes and the like because we don't put weather balloons up anymore because that was too expensive. And that's that sciencey stuff.

It is so countless the loss in hard dollar, soft dollar, quality of life, and even l life expectancy that has been lost in the last ten years alone. And attribute all of that to racism because the entire MAGA movement underlying premise is that we need to develop a white supremacist society, and that's been worked on since day one. So like we're

Mark Hayes (29:07.095)
Right.

Mark Hayes (29:13.334)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (29:18.958)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (29:23.376)
We're up to our eyeballs in the cost of racism and it's not slowing down anytime soon. Like maybe we can tap the brakes by winning the House and the Senate. That's the best case scenario right now, until we decide to have a revolution. But maybe we can tap the brakes in the decline.

Mark Hayes (29:30.434)
At all

Mark Hayes (29:42.157)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (29:46.114)
Right. Or maybe we can't. Let's get into a quick hit. what do you got for me?

Brock Ganeles (29:49.297)
Maybe we can't.

Brock Ganeles (29:54.661)
Okay, I'm gonna go on the positive. The happiest thing that that's going on for me right now is that Colin Kop Kaepernick has written his memoirs, has written a book, and now he's out on the circuit and he's doing interviews. I heard one on MPR, and I hope he get I'm curious to s I'm curious but not confident that we're gonna see him everywhere, all over the place, because I think he's quote

Mark Hayes (30:07.63)
Pollution.

Brock Ganeles (30:23.74)
Too controversial for white America. because by the way, he's against police brutality? that's real controversial. But I'm root I'm rooting for Col I'm rooting for the resurgence of Colin Kaepernick as a public figure in America. We need him. And I hope this is a launching pad for him going headfirst into the political world.

Mark Hayes (30:31.668)
And you know what was controversial? Go ahead.

Brock Ganeles (30:53.234)
I want Colin Kaepernick as a political figure in America. At the least I want him as a leader of a civil rights movement. I want him as a political figure. I welcome him back.

Mark Hayes (30:58.495)
Absolutely.

Mark Hayes (31:03.974)
Absolutely. You know what else was controversial about Colin Kaepernick, a black man in America, is that he was raised by a white couple, a white family. Raised him. You know, MAGA can't be proud of that. and and but they and they won't watch his Netflix special to see exactly what life was like from his perspective being raised by a white family.

Very interesting stuff if you haven't seen it. All right, let's stay a little positive. We can go doomsday again tomorrow. Carrie Champion, Jamel Hill. Two of my favorite ladies. I happen to know Carrie personally from when she worked here in Atlanta. Super, super good people. They took on Stephen A. Smith head first. And the interview is out. It's going viral. Stephen A. Smith got handled. If you have not seen it, I urge you to watch it.

but again, the black woman in America having to defend herself time and time again. Stephen A. Smith couldn't help but twist himself into knots, trying to backpedal his way out of the stupid shit he's done over the course of his career at ESPN. And it was it was really kind of refreshing to watch them dismantle him and take him apart at the scenes because his arrogance

is is is so off putting that nothing gives me greater joy than to watch him knocked off his pedestal that ten million dollar a year pedestal or whatever the fuck it is and Brock you don't hear me cheering for the demise of other African American men very often if at all but Stephen A. Smith coming after black women is a line too is it it that's my line. And I don't care how many aunties

and nieces and sisters you've got, stop coming after black women. They've got it hard enough already. And they don't need you, brother man, coming after them, making their lives more difficult. especially when they got into that whole k Skip Bayless first take show when Carrie was on, and how she got the position and how he tried to take credit for it.

Mark Hayes (33:29.772)
And then he ended up backing his way out of that and twisting himself all in the knots. So hats off again to Flagrant and Funny. And the hostess Politics, Jamel Hill, Carrie Champion. It's it's great stuff. Great stuff. I love it. And I can't get enough because you know, this is something that actually had to be done. It had to be done, and there's no getting around it.

Brock Ganeles (33:59.985)
I'll say that I've only seen clips of it what I what I've seen. They carved him up, like I haven't seen the whole interview. I g I give Stephen A credit for doing the interview. 'cause I think he knew he was gonna have to defend himself and he was gonna get carved up and he at least put him position put himself in position to get harshly criticized. which was deserved. I don't know if there's any learning curve for him out of this.

Mark Hayes (34:05.154)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (34:11.918)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (34:30.06)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (34:30.212)
I hope I hope that's the case. and just you know, I've always been a Jamel Hill fan 'cause she was about sports first and I've actually gotten to know Carrie Champion through following Jamel Hill. She's ri they're really funny when she starts talking about her dating life, Carrie Champion. Funny. But to stay in the p on the serious topic, it is a good interview and it is good to it's just a good open forum. Yeah, it's just a good open conversation.

Mark Hayes (34:54.818)
Conversation. Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (34:57.722)
So I'm glad they had it. I'm glad Stephen A. went and took the punches.

Mark Hayes (35:00.844)
Yeah, he needed to. because the way he talked to Carrie, I I I really wanted to punch him. you know. And I I just feel like Brock with what's happening now, you know, in in terms of the land the media landscape. even Dan Lebertard pointed out, you know, the the the glaring disparity of the NFL and

people who cover the NFL versus the people who play in it. What are we, 75, 80% black? Right? And then the media's 90%, 95% white. Right? Like why do we only have, you know, white journalists covering all these black athletes? And then we wonder why, you know, we have these crazy notions out there about these players. And you know, these really off putting characterizations of these African American men.

You know, of which many of these journalists don't have any in their freaking phone except for NFL those are the only black people in their phone. NFL players, coaches and GMs, if the Well, we know there are only a couple of GM couple

Brock Ganeles (36:17.924)
And they're in the business of protecting the league and protecting the management. So they become a voice for the NFL White Supremacy Network. I mean, it's it's yeah, and the the you know, the networks feel like that's what they need to present when it comes to the NFL and it comes to football. You don't get that in the NBA. That's why that's one of the reasons why it's preferred league to me. I mean, you just don't get it. The NF this but it

Mark Hayes (36:21.973)
What if

Mark Hayes (36:42.872)
Yeah. Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (36:45.456)
This is why I worry that we won't hear that much from Colin Kaepernick, 'cause I feel like mainstream media has moved in the direction of the NFL, where it's all white faces all day long everywhere. I told ya when I finally watched Morning Joe, it was eight white faces, but even the MSNBC lineup is like been whitewashed. Certainly CBS, except for Gail King, you're not gonna see an person of color. So

Yeah, our media is a problem and the NFL's a problem. So the NFL media is a problem.

Mark Hayes (37:19.022)
Absolutely. I mean, you know, and again, there's shills for thirty-one and a half white supremacists. And you know, City Khan might as well, you know, take the whole boat. That's let's call it thirty-two. You know, they are what they are. All right, bro. NFL season kicks off tonight. We got an NFL game on Netflix, which ought to be interesting. By the way, you heard it here first. Pay per view Super Bowl will be here inside of four years. I said five years last year.

I'm giving it four more years and we will be paying to watch the Super Bowl on Super Bowl Sunday.

Brock Ganeles (37:55.427)
I will not be watching.

Mark Hayes (37:57.806)
Revolution. See ya tomorrow, bro. Yes, sir.

Brock Ganeles (37:59.707)
Please like talk to you tomorrow.