2 Men In Black and White: An Honest Conversation

Mark Hayes (00:00.34)
Alrighty. All right, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome back, two men in black and white, an honest conversation. yeah, Donald Trump seemed to think that the answer to his his woes at the ballot box and his sinking ratings along with the issues in the Strait of Hormuz and the everything else that's going on around the world, our our global disconnect.

Seems to be a $5,000 check because that's all Americans really give a shit about is, you know, a little bit of money. So you vote for him, he's gonna write you a check. and as my colleague so aptly mentioned just a short time ago, we were already 40 trillion in debt. What the hell's another trillion if we pile it on there? No one gives a shit anyway. Besides, no, who's actually paying it, right? Who's actually cutting the check? I forgot we are. Yeah, let's get into it. Brock and Ellis joins me now live from the beautiful.

Upper Hudson River Valley and Brock, you know, last night was a joke for so many reasons. First of all, Trump is just a delusional, a delusional fool. no brain faculties left. you know, I mean, the guy is so demented. it's it's it's it's beyond embarrassing. And and you've traveled abroad recently. You know what people think of him globally.

we're the laughing stock of the world. The American people are the laughing stock of the world because the rest of the world is wondering, how'd you let this guy get over on you like this? And and you know, I we tried to tell us New Yorkers tried to tell them. Right? We tried to tell them the guy's a freaking figazy. Nobody wanted to listen. Now he's made more money than he has his entire life.

Since he took office in Trump two point It's a joke.

Brock Ganeles (02:00.145)
Yeah, his bullshit about nine eleven, right? We knew that like the day after on nine twelve when he's on the radio bragging about his building. We know there's no fucking way he was helping anyone out or going anywhere. Like so twenty-five years later it becomes a story for the rest of the country that he's a lying piece of shit, you know, espousing fake valor. And yeah, when you're overseas, people in Europe ask you, basically, when are you gonna take care of this?

Mark Hayes (02:02.742)
Ugh.

Mark Hayes (02:16.916)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (02:27.857)
That's their question. When are we gonna take care of it? It's almost like when are you gonna clean up your mess? But the MAGA midterm fiasco last night, half empty building, at least. I mean they were trying to hide hide the empty seats behind curtains and stuff, but it was certainly not yeah, not you know, lines were not spilling out the door. Trump's so cynical. He he

Mark Hayes (02:28.205)
Right.

Mark Hayes (02:43.117)
Poorly done.

Brock Ganeles (02:55.003)
He has such disdain for the American people. He's tapped into that. He knows how bad we are. So he thinks he can play to our greed and the f the five thousand dollar check will just get us to overlook all the corruption and all the misery. Could he be right? he's probably partially right. But you know, he couldn't fix the affordability issue with the three hundred tons or so of like tainted beef that they brought in, right?

Prices are still high at the grocery store. He can't get energy prices down because he sent Jared over to fix the Iran thing. That was a fiasco. So we've kind of almost feel like this is a war that we're still in, but we've quit. So we're still sort of there in body but not in spirit. And oil's now over a hundred dollars a barrel as the Houthis take over like the Suez Canal or something. So like now none of the waterways are open.

Mark Hayes (03:41.335)
Where?

Mark Hayes (03:53.709)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (03:53.736)
for most of the energy production in the world. So I think Trump was like, I'll f I'll solve affordability. We'll just we'll just cut everybody a check. But the thing is, we know he's lying. He's not he would never really cut the check. But he solved the affordability crisis. He's just gonna write everyone a check. Okay, everybody shut the fuck up. It wasn't such a big deal. I'm just writing you a check.

Mark Hayes (03:59.97)
Yeah. Gotcha check.

Right.

Mark Hayes (04:13.068)
Right.

Mark Hayes (04:19.649)
Well, you know the irony in that, Brock, is that he had become notoriously infamous for not paying. For not cutting the check to people who actually did something for him. That that's the tragic irony in his fucking statement. You know, you know how many plumbers and carpenters and you know electricians are sitting out there saying, fucking guy didn't pay me. You know, now he's writing a fucking check to 330 million people?

Right. Like and you know what, Brock? Here's the funny part too. We'll probably delineate. You have to prove that you voted for him to get your 5k. Right? Think about the the the red tape involved in that shit. Right? We'll we'll we'll create again, we'll add another trillion to the budget. First of all, getting the five thousand out and then creating the bureaucracy to help you accept, right?

Your your your five thousand dollar check. It's just a joke. he's not a serious person. We've known this for many, many years. see the instances in which he used to play his own publicist on the phone as if nobody could recognize his voice when he'd call into the radio and say, I'm John Barron, you know, Donald Trump's, you know, publicist. He's got a lot of women chasing, a lot of women chasing him. No, he doesn't. You know, the women that wanted

Donald Trump, you know, he was a fighter to them too. Right? He told them he had this, that, and the third, and he didn't have anything. He didn't have anything. And and did we ever find out what happened to Ivana? Right? Do we really know how she expired? I really would like some answers. and, you know, the fact that her children.

We're okay with whatever happened to her. Is really disturbing, but it tells you a lot about their character. you know, because they're good with him, even though he cheated on their moms. Like, what's up with that? They didn't have and even the daughter, even a bunky doesn't have a problem with it. So, you know, look, bro, there are so many issues with him. He was a horrible candidate.

Brock Ganeles (06:28.167)
Yeah. He's yeah.

Mark Hayes (06:44.545)
all he did was bully people. I don't know what people are afraid of. I can't imagine him ever being involved in any kind of fisticuffs ever in his life. I mean, he's just he he he doesn't have any backbone. So why are we afraid of this man? Like, are we afraid that he can get other people to do shit for him like he did on January 6th?

Brock Ganeles (06:56.856)
no. His

Brock Ganeles (07:10.567)
I think so. I think that's the case. But his act is really stale. The I mean he did a two hour speech last night. I didn't watch it, but really the only takeaway was the five thousand dollar checks. Like not there no other message came out of that entire speech. He'll he'll do another one tonight. He's promising it won't be as long. he's gonna probably have to come with something more outlandish because he's probably disappointed.

Mark Hayes (07:15.041)
Yeah. Yeah.

Mark Hayes (07:21.932)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (07:38.878)
That he didn't have as more of a splash last night. And but I just don't think he has the fastball. I don't think he has the energy or the sharpness anymore to be compelling and to be entertaining for any period of time. So I these think these speeches hurt him and hurt MAGA more than they help them. I don't think this MAGA convention to me is just been is is gonna end up just being a major dud and a reminder.

Mark Hayes (07:39.393)
Right.

Mark Hayes (07:49.61)
No.

Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (08:08.119)
of the slippage of the movement, not as some r reenergi re energization, whatever the hell that word is. Yeah, yeah, just it's it's it it's slowing. It's a change up now. It's not a fastball.

Mark Hayes (08:15.059)
Right. Right.

Mark Hayes (08:23.147)
So Brock for for twenty five K you get into the building, is that correct? And then another 80K to take a picture? So a hundred and five thousand for entry and a VIP situation with a picture? Where's where does the money go? Do are we gonna get an accounting of where this money is going or is it just going to his slush fund?

Brock Ganeles (08:44.669)
Super PAC, yeah, his slush fund. Not certainly not any treasury. We'll never get an accounting of it. But you know, what we've learned over the years is those eighty thousand dollar photo ops are like the best investment anyone ever made. Guys like Michael Dell go, they take that photo. Trump buys their st buys the stock, and two days later he's got an eight, you know, he's got an eight billion dollar federal contract. So I mean, everyone knows how to play the game. Eighty thousand dollar photo and all of a sudden, you know, you're

Mark Hayes (09:01.867)
Write it off their taxes. Yep.

Brock Ganeles (09:14.513)
Your cousin's getting pardoned. I mean, there's nothing nothing's on the up and up. This is all straight up pay to play.

Mark Hayes (09:17.407)
Right. Or

Yeah. Yeah, or your brother's buying a baseball team, a basketball team, you know? or or you know, you've got some, you know, ridiculous contract to let's see, fuck up the reflecting pool. That didn't need to be fucked up. you know, I I saw a great meme on the reflecting pool.

And they had Donald Trump standing over it and the guy Donald Trump says, you know, all I see is scum. And the guy says, Well, it is a reflecting pool, sir. Which is a nice shot. Makes sense.

Brock Ganeles (10:00.755)
But look the the Yeah, the look the tech bros learned the game. They all paid cut the checks. Jeff Bezos, everyone funded the the the ballroom and they funded the inauguration parties, right? All these fraudulent slush funds that has really just been out and out corruption. So it's no surprise that this, you know, Dallas fiasco party

Mark Hayes (10:10.103)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (10:27.799)
is just another grift for Trump and his cronies and people are just lining up for favors, lining up with their checkbook for favors. And and that's it. And Trump thinks that five thousand bucks ahead buys us all.

Mark Hayes (10:35.467)
Yeah. Yeah.

Mark Hayes (10:45.163)
Yeah. Yeah. let me ask you something, Brock. you're a Wall Street guy, worked in the financial sector for many, many moons. five thousand doll five thousand bucks save your meat processing plant. Five thousand bucks bring down the price of beef. Five thousand bucks help you with that four dollar gas for very I you know, John Offsoff's opponent here.

Says that groceries are now an extra two thousand what extra two thousand dollars a month? What the fuck are you eating? Like what what do you got? Buy a goose steak every night?

Brock Ganeles (11:20.391)
Five grand five yeah five grand five grand ain't making up for the health the the healthcare bills that people are getting now that they're you know, bounced off Medicare roles and and Medicaid. So five thousand doesn't get you very far. It sa it it sounds good. It it would be better than zero, but you know, it's not getting it's not it's not getting people out of poverty, it's feeding them for a bit.

Mark Hayes (11:39.873)
Yep. Well

Mark Hayes (11:45.932)
Yep. And now are these the doji checks and the the other checks that we were supposed to get? Like which which checks are these? Or or are these the the midterm checks? Like what are we what are we labeling?

Brock Ganeles (11:50.503)
Ha ha ha do G checks. Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (11:59.71)
These are mid time, these are yeah, these are only tied these are these are conditional 'cause this is only if MAGA holds the Senate and the House.

Mark Hayes (12:08.875)
Right, right. Which ain't gonna happen.

Brock Ganeles (12:09.745)
This is very, very conditional. This is the big get out the vote. This is the big get out the vote in Magaland. I don't know. Is this gonna keep the ranchers in business the five thousand? Is it gonna help the farmers who can't sell their soybeans anymore? Is it gonna help all these people whose homes are wiped out in floods and hurricanes and the like because we don't have FEMA anymore? So you're gonna get your five thousand bucks to, you know, buy a a raft so you can get down to fucking the general store?

Mark Hayes (12:19.454)
Shit. No.

Shit.

Mark Hayes (12:30.483)
Shit.

Brock Ganeles (12:38.211)
It's a it's a fucking fallacy. But it's all MAGA has to go to. Right? They didn't have they didn't have a platform two years ago. And here we are two years later and basically telling us we still don't have a platform. There are no policies. The but the real policies are Project 2025. And you may have seen that Russell vote the

Mark Hayes (12:42.026)
Yep.

Mark Hayes (12:45.334)
Right.

Mark Hayes (12:49.173)
Right.

Mark Hayes (12:54.881)
Nope.

Brock Ganeles (13:07.985)
Basically, the arch tech architect of Project 2025 is now in charge of the budget, caught on a hot mic saying that although Trump is out distancing himself from 2025, he's on board with all of it. At least that's what Russell Vogue thinks. And t Trump's on board with anything. As long as he's getting paid and his ego's being fed, he doesn't give a shit what his minions behind the scenes are doing. He'll roll with anything.

Mark Hayes (13:10.112)
Architect, yeah.

Mark Hayes (13:22.049)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (13:32.096)
Right, right. Brock, you brought up the Tech Bros. not sure if you heard about the Jacob Coxon story. You might have been traveling when that story popped up. He's the whiz kid from Anthropic who quit because he's concerned about the designs and the projects they're they're working on which could become

Existential crises to the human race. Like he believes that the way they're going now, he got 76 million views on a Twitter post in which he talked about his resignation and you know, the research he was doing pertaining to open AI and anthropic, and that neither company is acting responsibly.

And they're racing straight to self improving, super intelligence, in the meantime, gambling with our lives. These are the tech bros.

Brock Ganeles (14:36.979)
Okay, I didn't know the name I didn't know the name I saw the story. I didn't know the name of the guy. So why would they act responsibly in a capitalist society? They have no incentive to act responsibly and there's no guardrails and no regulations that force them to act responsibly. Why do we have fucking self driving cars on the roads for a decade untested, just you know, running people over in fucking crosswalks, you know, practicing, you know?

Mark Hayes (14:40.607)
Okay. Okay.

Mark Hayes (14:47.917)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (14:56.437)
You

Brock Ganeles (15:07.141)
And at the crosswalks in front of our elementary schools. Why? Because we can't have regulations, deregulation world. The worried about in the AI world is that these these machines go rogue and they start teaching everybody how to create biological weapons. Whoops! Just out there to everyone. So of course there's no guardrails. These tech fucking bros actually think there should be no countries.

Mark Hayes (15:26.604)
Hey.

Brock Ganeles (15:37.48)
They're there some of them aren't even planning to stay on planet Earth. Like if you read some of the manifestos from these guy from Peter Thiel to begin with, to the guys at Palantir, to a lot of these venture capitalists like Andreessen and Y Combinator, the guys running these organizations who have a ton of money, are fucking batshe crazy. Right? They want their own cities, all white by the way, that are separate from the rest of us.

Mark Hayes (15:37.708)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (16:04.797)
They want crypto to be the currency because that divorces money from governments. They're pro-anarchy. They're really anti-American. And they're sadly they're fucking geniuses and they can figure out how to break down society. You could argue that they've already partially broken down America.

Mark Hayes (16:15.276)
Right.

Mark Hayes (16:27.349)
Right. Right.

Brock Ganeles (16:29.009)
We're not demolished yet. But they don't care if America goes away. They don't see the country as a necessity. They see this world in which nobody works anymore because there's no need for jobs, where they kind of run society and then parcel out goodies as they deem fit.

Mark Hayes (16:47.423)
Right.

Mark Hayes (16:52.905)
Right. And Brock, this is a lot more dangerous than, you know, learning how to, you know, make a 3D printer on the internet. This is this is a whole different game. and the money behind it is what's propping up our economy right now. This it it's probably keeping us from a full scale depression if we think about it. I mean, the money that these companies are investing.

and then throwing human beings out on the on the trash pile is insane. and I don't I don't know how it's sustainable. I I I mean I just can't figure if if there's n if none of us have any money to spend, like how are the one percenters making dough? Like I just like I don't get it. I I

Brock Ganeles (17:43.4)
What is s what is society? We're back to what the fourteen hundred fiefdoms where some people live in castles and everyone else scraps for food. Look, Bernie Sanders thinks AI should be taken over by the government, right? So he's in he's in that camp that it's so dangerous and so important to national defense that it this can't be private business. The argument's not a crazy one. Because can we really trust

Mark Hayes (17:46.144)
Right.

Mark Hayes (17:52.235)
Right. Right.

Mark Hayes (18:08.94)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (18:11.527)
The people leading these companies, we're funding them, right? Why are the states left and right giving tax breaks to these data centers that are the engines behind the AI? Because of corruption, right? Somebody's getting paid along the way. Because the typical citizen is getting crushed. This is why we need a true populist revolution in America. Because the the people, we need to rise up.

Mark Hayes (18:13.194)
No, hell no.

Mark Hayes (18:22.55)
Right. Yep. Yep.

Brock Ganeles (18:38.063)
and take control of what's going on around us. And I'm pro regulation. I think capitalism needs massive regulation or the wheels come off. We've seen it in the financial industry. What went on in like what was it, two thousand seven, when we had to bail everybody out, was was simply the financial industry with unregulated capitalism.

Mark Hayes (18:46.68)
Me too.

Mark Hayes (18:59.446)
Two thousand seven, two thousand eight. Yep.

Brock Ganeles (19:07.727)
Run amok, lost its way, and basically almost every element of the system was going bankrupt at the same time because it was so intertwined. We as taxpayers bailed it out. We we we we we resurrected our financial system. AI is a whole nother animal because it allows you to create, you know, we haven't got into robotics, god forbid when there's robots running around.

Who's gonna be controlling them? Right? But every when everything's run through in through systems instead of people, who really controls things? It's very scary and very problematic, but we as the American people, we're we've been so sold capitalism as as the winning hand, as the major driving force in America, that we have allowed capitalism.

Mark Hayes (19:54.66)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

Brock Ganeles (20:05.287)
To totally usurp democracy as the most important element in American political life, even. We worship capitalism more than we honor our democracy. And that's why we are where we are. And that's why Donald Trump gets up and says, I'm gonna cut five thousand dollar checks. Because he just thinks money is more important to us than anything else. And I just hope.

Mark Hayes (20:15.606)
True that?

Mark Hayes (20:20.204)
Yes, sir.

Mark Hayes (20:29.186)
Money.

Mark Hayes (20:33.804)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (20:35.335)
He's not still right in twenty twenty six.

Mark Hayes (20:38.018)
Yeah. Please God let him be wrong. Brock, let's get into this real quick. The American Bar Association voted to kill its diversity initiatives to appease the Trumpster and to protect its accreditation of lawyers across America. You know who are members of the American Bar Association, Brock Kamala Harris. President Barack Obama, President Bill Clinton. Right? I mean, shall I Thurgood Marshall. Sh shall we go on and on

Katanji Brown Jackson. Sonya Sadamayor. Shall sh shall we go on and on with who members of the American Bar Association are? And here we are saying, Yeah, we're not gonna worry about the black folks and the others. And you know, there was a post, a response to this post. I saw it on social media, and it's it's it it really encapsulates the whole issue of race in America.

And this gentleman says, you know, when diversity becomes politically inconvenient, institutions that once promised inclusion can abandon it overnight. Just get rid of it. While black people are still being disproportionately policed, prosecuted, excluded, and denied equal access to power. And Brock, that sums it up, right? It's Nolan Wells in a nutshell.

Brock Ganeles (21:59.881)
Yes.

Brock Ganeles (22:06.003)
It's like taking that end racism out of the end zones, right? Oops, just gone overnight. there it goes. There goes our DEI program. Why couldn't the American Bar Association say no?

Mark Hayes (22:09.09)
Right.

Right.

Mark Hayes (22:17.673)
Exactly. That's my question.

Brock Ganeles (22:18.823)
Well what what was the downside to them? They were gonna quote lose their accred equity accreditation? Why not just say, well, you know what? We're gonna continue to be the authority on who allows us to be in the bar, and we'll see, you know, you're gonna create a competing racist version of us that's gonna compete against us. But no, I'm sure the board was probably nineteen white people and one black.

Mark Hayes (22:24.675)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (22:30.956)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (22:41.239)
Yeah

Brock Ganeles (22:46.599)
Token black person who just got steamrolled and they said, fuck it. They punted on it. Their in essence, their job, their position was more important than making any kind of stand. And that's the cowardice of America. And I you know what? I'll bet the same shit was going on in nineteen thirties Germany, where a whole bunch of institutions just

Mark Hayes (22:49.443)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (22:57.686)
Mm.

Brock Ganeles (23:14.159)
Roll along and said, Well, you know what, we're gonna go along with the way this Nazi party has decided we need to do things because we still want to exist as an organization, but we have to exist in a different way. So I guess in that case they probably expelled all the Jews, and now in America, they're just gonna quietly wipe away all the people of color and

Mark Hayes (23:15.137)
Okay. Yeah.

Mark Hayes (23:23.32)
Well travel.

Mark Hayes (23:30.528)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (23:43.963)
not care about it anymore, maybe they never cared about it to begin with. Maybe the Americ maybe the American Bar Association doesn't even need to exist as an organization. Maybe it's fucking useless because they don't stand for anything.

Mark Hayes (23:47.734)
Right. You know, pro

Mark Hayes (23:57.731)
You know, Brock, it's it it's funny too. You know, think about all those law firms that succumbed, you know, to to to you know his Cheetoness. I mean the guy's not even smart. Like don't don't they feel some kind of way about themselves knowing that such an unserious person has duped them? I mean it it's it's un

Fucking believable how much this clown has gotten away with over these past what eleven years since he came down that cheap ass spray painted golden ex as escalator. you know it j

It it's it and the ripple effect again, Brock, is the constant, constant racist news that we see in our social media feeds. Right? Because when it bleeds down to the people, that's what we're seeing. What do we have? Six guys arrested in South Carolina charged with, you know child grapes and you know, trafficking and

None of them were trans, none of them were immigrants, none of them were African American, right? Six white guys. One of them was a fire chief, one of the two of them were cops, I think. I mean come on, bro.

Brock Ganeles (25:19.901)
Well, I'm gonna look at it this way. If we're we're not gonna forget, it will only fuel and stoke more anger on the left, which I hope means more motivation, which I hope means more voter registrations and higher turnout and people willing to flood the streets if they think that their vote was suppressed and or changed or tainted and we don't get a fair election. But once this tide starts to turn,

We're gonna remember every one of these fuckers that bowed down to the fascism and the racism. And this American Bar Association, when the tide turns, they don't see that the pendulum has already swung, they're fucking blind. But okay. They wanna play the game now, in late stage, in the last days of fucking MAGA power. We're gonna remember.

Mark Hayes (25:52.236)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (26:14.129)
And I want every one of those fucking board members swept out of there. If there is an American Bar Association, I want a hundred percent fucking purge. Every one of them goes. And that that's the same for every university, every law firm, every institution that bows down so easily that played along, we're not gonna forget. We're gonna remember who fought, and we're gonna remember who folded. And if you folded

Mark Hayes (26:14.466)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (26:20.258)
Get rid of Yeah.

Mark Hayes (26:40.717)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (26:41.649)
You're not in in in my version of plate society, you're not welcome back.

Mark Hayes (26:47.518)
At all. At all. Ever. You're definitely not invited to the cookout. You are though, bruh. You could definitely get to the cookout. Long as you don't bring no potato salad with raisins in it. Or egg chips. All right, bro. Let's get up out of here with some quick hits. What do you got for me?

Brock Ganeles (26:51.867)
Ever.

Brock Ganeles (26:59.197)
I don't know how to make any I don't know how to make anything.

Brock Ganeles (27:08.755)
I got the fake false controversy about how the US women's basketball national team, which is in their international championships in Europe, wasn't gonna be able to get along and play together because of all the racial animus between like Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese and some of the other players. And the narrative is hyped and bullshit and MAGA-driven.

Mark Hayes (27:20.703)
Brock Ganeles (27:37.896)
domestic you know bullshit from non-sports fans and lo and behold players get on the court players are players the game's bigger than the person certainly when you're playing for the national team you're a little even if you have a fucking petty gripe that goes out the window because your ego and the expectations of your teammates is so much bigger than any any

conflict than there could be and the teams, you know, playing great together. And the only asinine aspect of the is the narrative and this you know, the feigned surprise of people are so racist that they don't even get that athletes players are gonna play.

Mark Hayes (28:20.174)
Right.

Mark Hayes (28:26.538)
Hey, players play. Players play. And if you don't make the right play because you're so dumb and saddled with racism, you won't be playing very long. Right? Coach is gonna pull you out because you saw Angel Reese open, but yet you pulled up from mid-court and took a tray? Nah, I don't think so. I don't think. Not when she's standing under the basket. What did Coach Kelly used to say? Give it to him! Give it to him.

Brock Ganeles (28:54.491)
And and you'd lose respect to your teammates. So the whole narrative the whole narrative was stupid. Of course players were gonna play and put the team above themselves and there was not gonna be any problems. but we like to create problems here in America. We like to bring we like to bring race in t white people like to bring race into everything.

Mark Hayes (28:56.716)
Yes Stupid Right.

Mark Hayes (29:05.975)
Right.

Mark Hayes (29:16.11)
Speaking of that, I got a quick hit for you. I'm gonna tilt my hat to the side. In honor of Doug Eddings, the Major League Baseball umpire who made it all about himself. How the fuck did this become a national fucking story? When here you have this, you know, prized rookie, Hansel Rancón, on the mount making his Major League debut.

And you're fucking with him about his hat. You think this kid doesn't have enough going on? He's playing in front of 60,000 people and he doesn't have enough going on? That you gotta come out and fuck with him about his he probably didn't even know what you were talking about. You ejected a major league manager because the hat wasn't on straight enough for you. Show me in the fucking w rule book, Mr. Eddings.

Where it says I can't wear my hat to the side. It's not like the guy came out here with his hat off to the back with his pants sagging or some other racist trope that Mr. Eddings may subscribe to. The guy came out and Brock, in all honesty, his hat may not have fit properly, and every time he threw a pitch, it just slid to the side. That's po I got a hat on that's too big. And if I was to

throwing heat. That's what would happen with this hat. But brah, it's all based on race. Right? And then and then and then white America says well you gotta make everything about race because you do. You made it about race, Mr. Eddings. And now here we are a week later still talking about it. Right? Why is this guy even umpiring in the major leagues anymore? He should have been asked

To politely resign and remove himself from any more issues because you can't grow the game like that, brah. You can't grow the game like that. You think black players don't see what's going on. Why do you think there are so few African American players in the league right now? That's part of the reason.

Brock Ganeles (31:32.454)
Umpire should have been suspended. The fact that his quote was, you know, you're not gonna do that on my field. He was like a c he was like a Karen at the park bitching at a black family about like their size of their gr side of their grill, right? On a Sunday in the park when they're flipping burgers. it was it was fucking absurd. It was such an entitlement, such of giving like a white guy too much power where f he could dis he felt like he could decide and dictate.

Mark Hayes (31:37.984)
On my field.

Mark Hayes (31:44.062)
A bird watching.

Brock Ganeles (32:02.053)
sort of his version of what protocols should be. Bigger than the game. And I mean, it was just such a blatantly racial incident and I'm disappointed with how the league handled it. I mean that should have been a massive slapdown for a league that has so many Dominican players, Puerto Rican players, there's just so much not a lot of American black players, but certainly a lot of

Mark Hayes (32:03.66)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Right.

Mark Hayes (32:19.458)
Yeah, the league was awful.

Mark Hayes (32:27.724)
Venezuelan.

Brock Ganeles (32:32.039)
people of color in the game. And you got the, you know, Bull Connor fucking home plate umpire coming out. I thought he was gonna release the dogs, right? Like he was just, you know, to get to to restore order. He needed to restore order. Shit was getting out of hand there. Somebody might get hurt.

Mark Hayes (32:32.362)
American white player. Yep. Yep.

Mark Hayes (32:41.963)
Right.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 'Cause he's now the fashion police too. Right? And and and and the moral compass of Major League Baseball. And how and how the game how you gotta play the game the right way. I re I'll I'll never forget the famous Canadian hockey broadcaster. what's his name? Used to wear the crazy jackets, it'll come to me.

Brock Ganeles (33:02.311)
Mark we

Mark Hayes (33:19.452)
gosh, he was on hockey night in Canada. why can't I think of his name? Good gracious. But he said the guys had to learn how to play the game the white way. Freudian slip. The right way. The player he was talking about was PK Souban, one of the best defensemen in the league, a Norris trophy winner. And yeah, so you know, it well now I gotta call my kid and get that guy's name. But yeah, it's it's

You know, we ca you can't just enjoy the game anymore. Can't just enjoy life anymore. Now our blood pressure is all through the roof, you and I gotta go have a stiff drink. Jeez.

Brock Ganeles (33:55.676)
Well yeah, you you said it like you gotta br why does race have to be brought into everything? But it's white people that bring race into just about everything. And from the announcers and the commentators on women's basketball to the umpires in in baseball. And it's all over sports. That's why we talk about it so much, 'cause sports is such a microcosm for what's going on in society and a high profile microcosm of what's going on in society.

Mark Hayes (34:07.052)
Yeah, man.

Mark Hayes (34:14.659)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (34:22.626)
Yeah.

And I don't think we even I think we may have had one referee of color in the NHL. Maybe maybe. If if my mem well, my memory can't be relied on these days at my age, but yeah. Yeah, yeah. I don't I well, yeah, I had to stop watching it 'cause it was getting personal. but

Brock Ganeles (34:40.499)
I've never I've never seen one, but I I've never seen one, but I don't watch hockey like you do.

Mark Hayes (34:55.246)
yeah, I've watched a lot of games and read a lot about the sport. And again, we kind of white whitewashed the history of hockey. And if you folks look up the history of the game, you'll see where the very first people to play the game were people of color.

in Canada. So, you know, ESPN has done a documentary on it. Didn't get a lot of airtime, didn't get a lot of play. There's a minor exhibit to it in the Hockey Hall of Fame up in Toronto, up in Toronto. but, you know, again like we're like much of what's happening here in the US, you know, the contributions of the people of color are being swept away.

And Brock as as as good human beings and good friends, it's our job to keep the conversation alive. And we're gonna have to talk about Lonnie Bunch stepping down from the blacksmithsonian as well. We gotta talk about that tomorrow, my friend. Sound good?

Brock Ganeles (36:05.469)
Keep up the fight, Mark!

Mark Hayes (36:07.414)
Revolution Peace Yes, sir.

Brock Ganeles (36:09.725)
Hack Dirma.