2 Men In Black and White: An Honest Conversation

Mark Hayes (00:01.272)
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another edition of Two Minute Black and White. I'm your host, Mark Hayes, along with my co-host, Brock Canellos, from the beautiful confines of the upper Hudson River Valley just outside New York City. All right, Russia, Russia, Russia. Looks like Russia was a thing. It's all a Democrat hoax. That ain't true. What other lies did this fucking guy tell us? I mean, it is absolutely...

you know, mind blowing that such disgusting information was sat on. Because Brock, as I bring you in here, you know what I'm mad about again? You know who I'm mad at again? Merrick Garland. Merrick Garland sat on this shit. Had it. So this guy could get elected again. And now look where we are. Let's say you.

BROCK GANELES (00:57.344)
anyone have seen these files and not wanted them disclosed or either acted on and or disclosed right like how did you just sit on this information and we're just seeing we're just seeing what is supposedly the mild stuff right this is the redacted you know watered down what's what's the minimum we can release to get

Mark Hayes (01:01.038)
Exactly. Exactly.

Mark Hayes (01:08.438)
Right.

Mark Hayes (01:19.083)
Right? Right?

The water down!

BROCK GANELES (01:26.906)
the MAGA QAnon crazies off our back and pretend like we're complying to put this issue to bed, but not to implicate Trump too much. it obviously hasn't, you know, even with this watered down information, it's incredibly incriminating, but it does look more and more, not just like a pedophile ring, but like a, you know, a spy operation.

Mark Hayes (01:37.386)
Yeah.

Woo!

BROCK GANELES (01:55.002)
And the more you see Putin's name in there and Israeli agents and all these other Russians that are in there, you just kind of come into the book. They start thinking about the national security implications. And we've always heard about Russia with their honeypot, right? Supposedly that that's how they got Trump back in the seventies, you know, and the P tape that we heard about all the time. How much more believable is that P tape now that the Epstein files trickle out? It almost feels like, shit, it's almost like, of course that's like,

Mark Hayes (02:00.201)
Yep, national security.

Mark Hayes (02:09.782)
Right.

Right.

Mark Hayes (02:20.065)
Totally believable.

Yep.

BROCK GANELES (02:24.504)
run of the mill compared to all the stuff we're seeing. It can't end here, right? mean, now, like, how can anyone allow DOJ to sit on the rest of the files?

Mark Hayes (02:27.294)
Absolutely.

Mark Hayes (02:37.067)
Well, and, but see, here's the thing. The lady in charge of that shit show over there is knee deep in this. So the more she lets out, the more she implicates herself because remember, she was a part of the attorney general apparatus down in Florida when Alex Acosta gave Epstein that sweetheart deal. So she's been in this thing from the get go and she's been okay with it. Right?

Like, like, Pammy Jo has been okay with this. Brock, we are talking about a man who I don't think it's allegations anymore. When people sit there and say, well, you know what? He was measuring children's little girls' vaginas by sticking his fingers in there and then judging their tightness. Like how much more disgusting an individual.

can you be to be engaging in behavior like that that's mentioned over and over and over again with your kids in the room. Ivanka, Don Jr., Eric, they're all there. They're all a part of it.

BROCK GANELES (03:51.674)
Well, Pam Bondi sort of built her career on this, right? She utilized the fact she, you it was a stepping stone in her career. First, she got paid off and second of all, it catapulted her career. yeah, she's played the cover up game. Yeah, the Epstein files are massively incriminating, increasingly worrying because it looks like it was, you know, as Howard Lutnick said, Epstein was the greatest blackmailer in history.

Mark Hayes (03:59.487)
Yep.

BROCK GANELES (04:21.464)
and looks like there was some foreign governments, particularly Russia, we'd already heard decades of rumors about Israel being involved, that, you know, who knows how they coerced some of these people over the years by having this incriminating information.

Mark Hayes (04:35.074)
Right. Right. And that's, you know, the scary part, right? Like this is just the stuff we know. I saw reports today that say there could be three to five million documents still floating around out there. I mean, you know, if we had consequences,

You know, maybe we have everything. know, Prince Andrew is no longer a prince. Did see the picture of him hovering over that, you know, unnamed, unknown girl? Yeah! Ugh.

BROCK GANELES (05:02.79)
Yeah, it's like 12 year old Brett Ratner that yeah, I mean, you know, it's really interesting the way Thomas, you know, Thomas Massey, who's the Republican that's worked with Ro Khanna to get these out, who's just absolutely appalled by this, you know, is getting huge money thrown at his opponent in a primary because they're trying to get rid of him. Right. He's in a red district and the Republicans are trying to get rid of him.

Mark Hayes (05:25.021)
Right. Right. Right?

BROCK GANELES (05:32.422)
And I mean... Yeah.

Mark Hayes (05:32.627)
Right. But before we get to that, before we get to these red districts, let's talk a little bit more about the implications here, because how can this guy continue as president? Do you remember Ross Perot and what brought down his campaign? Two words. You people, you people, when he went to talk to the NAACP, his presidential campaign was just getting started, right?

You people! And that pretty much ended his campaign. Yes!

BROCK GANELES (06:06.704)
didn't remember that. Is that, was that?

Mark Hayes (06:12.221)
And here we are with 26 allegations, credible allegations of sexual assault essay by grown women. And now we have the 302, where are the 302s, the FBI 302 forms? Because apparently there are a lot of those missing and those 302 forms are gonna be the official record of what people are attesting. And there was a young lady who attested.

that under penalty of perjury, that she was told directly by Trump and Epstein, we can make you disappear. We can unalive you and your family like so-and-so. And they reference a 12-year-old girl. So, you know, we don't know the extent of the fuckery that's gone on here.

BROCK GANELES (07:09.286)
Yeah, and you can't young young women, girls basically, that they were lying or that had any motive outside of just trying to like, you know, tell the truth because there was nothing in it for them, right? They were going to the authorities trying to like, in essence, get protected from the worst atrocities we could ever think about. So you can't even play that game like the Trump plays with the adult women in the sexual assault.

Mark Hayes (07:15.815)
and get paid with it.

Mark Hayes (07:26.954)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (07:39.268)
that A they're lying or B they're just trying to get you know money out of them right there that wasn't even in play here but this is such also a failure of our FBI over the years I mean this this implicates so many people so many institutions it requires a massive review and a ton of you know a ton of people are going to have to be indicted I mean there has to

Mark Hayes (08:07.269)
Gotta be. Gotta be.

BROCK GANELES (08:09.126)
the true accountability here.

Mark Hayes (08:12.732)
Yeah, well, I saved a couple of names in my notes today. Sammy Sosa, Jay Z, Elon, of course, thousands of times his name is mentioned, and Bill Gates has got to be one slimy dude. You're gonna bring home an STD and then secretly?

try to treat your wa- my god. How about you just fall on the sword and say, look, honey, you need to go get checked because I'm a jackass. How about that? But he couldn't do that.

BROCK GANELES (08:54.134)
And some of the wealthiest people in the country, financiers from like John Paulson and almost every like Apollo Partners, which is in New York, Leon Black is the head guy, but there's multiple people from that organization that are all over these files. you just, I mean, it's so obvious what went on. And I'm with you that it's such a, such a, a disgraceful

Mark Hayes (08:59.887)
my.

BROCK GANELES (09:23.384)
Mark against Garland. mean Garland didn't pursue the Epstein files and he dragged his feet on the Jan Sixers. I mean literally going to go down as like the worst department, the head of the Department of Justice in history. I mean he was put in the seat to actually safeguard, I mean to pursue this stuff and safeguard America and he just, what the fuck was he doing?

Mark Hayes (09:23.543)
Mark Hayes (09:31.945)
Do something!

Mark Hayes (09:40.776)
Right!

Justice.

Mark Hayes (09:49.073)
Obviously nothing. He did nothing. I mean, we got Eileen Cannon, right, appointed to his case in Florida, which got thrown out, right? So the documents case never saw light a day. January Sixers, you know, the ones that did get prosecuted are back out on the street.

doing crazy shit again, right? A lot of them are back in jail, cause they're dumbasses, right? And then the Epstein files were sitting there when he got there.

BROCK GANELES (10:24.614)
Yeah, he's it's a disgrace. I think if there's good news, though, is I don't think what's happened, what's been released yet has satiated the curiosity and demands on the right. So I think MAGA still has a percentage. There's a whole bunch of people in MAGA who don't care, right? Little girls, women, we don't care. Like as long as we get our racism and we, you know, we're we're fine. But there is this there is a sliver. I don't know how big it is.

Mark Hayes (10:26.235)
I mean, what the hell?

Mark Hayes (10:36.821)
No. No.

Mark Hayes (10:43.27)
Right. Right. Right.

Mark Hayes (10:49.64)
Because we love our racism.

BROCK GANELES (10:54.394)
but it seems to be somewhat substantial on the Magaside that really wanted to see these files because they were convinced it was going to be the Clintons and Tom Hanks and all that stuff. as the as these files trickle out with these huge redactions, I don't get the sense from anything I'm seeing online that any of that group is satisfied. So they're still clamoring for more. So it's still chipping away.

Mark Hayes (11:04.82)
Right.

Mark Hayes (11:18.393)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (11:23.98)
It's still going to chip away at Trump, his credibility, his approval ratings. And it's just a question of how long all the other magas around them are going to hang in there. Mike Johnson, of course, asked today whether what he saw in the Epstein files raised any additional questions and his answer was no. So we know where he stands. He's in the cover up camp, right? Yeah, he just wants.

Mark Hayes (11:40.535)
Nah. Yeah, he's a joke. But Marjorie Taylor Greene is not going out without a fight. She is going ham on Trump's ass. She said based on the file's release, I'd say the odds of bombing Iran just went up. And she ain't kidding.

BROCK GANELES (11:58.021)
Well, he's losing a bunch apparently a bunch of those podcasters to you know that the you know, the what do they call it the bros here, right? Yeah, there's a lot of guys on the right look the bug Nino types, right who got a lot of followers talking about the Epstein files for a long time and They can't really just walk away from it because it's why people watch their show So they're kind of stuck in You know, this is their topic

Mark Hayes (12:03.877)
Yeah, hit the salt in those guys.

Mark Hayes (12:11.47)
Right?

Mark Hayes (12:16.027)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (12:22.449)
Right.

Mark Hayes (12:27.469)
Right. It's where they live.

BROCK GANELES (12:27.554)
So they're turning on Trump because they need the eyeballs for the audience and they know that the audience is interested.

Mark Hayes (12:35.816)
Right. And the audience is pissed. And a lot of them are saying what we thought they should have been saying years ago, that you would let us stray. Run amok. Right? Donald Trump's did dirty diaper. You didn't land in it. That dirty diaper landed on you. I mean, come on, people. Get your heads out. Did you see Doug Burgum in the Oval Office the other day? I mean, this guy.

is so and and now the scary thing Brock like Marjorie Taylor Greene was talking about you know him bombing Iraq he's so demented there's no telling what he's thinking is real and what ain't you know I mean he is in such bad shape yes

BROCK GANELES (13:20.992)
I so far gone. Yeah, talking about arrested Obama. So I mean, he can't back down. He has to, you know, it's his only way he knows is to lie and to keep, you know, trying to bully and he's losing the ice battle. Right. I mean, ISIS still bullying, right? Nothing's changed on the streets, but what's changed is the sentiment, right? The sentiment has changed dramatically.

Mark Hayes (13:37.689)
Right.

Mark Hayes (13:44.934)
Right.

Yes.

Yes.

BROCK GANELES (13:50.372)
and it's now caused a problem for him in the Senate and the Congress. And I guess we'll get to in a second. It's certainly causing a problem at the election booths for all of MAGA. Whenever voters get a chance to pull a lever, it's, they're pulling it hard, right? It's been dramatic. You know, the problem is there's not enough elections right now, but certainly the sentiment has

Mark Hayes (13:54.361)
Right.

Mark Hayes (14:01.382)
Yes sir!

Mark Hayes (14:08.474)
They pulling it.

Mark Hayes (14:16.07)
You're right.

BROCK GANELES (14:19.066)
dramatically changed and you can even see it in the media, right? The media sucks. The media has been a failure, but there's so much public interest in what's going on with ice that they're covering it now because it's where the viewership is. So they have to cover it. Cause if they don't cover it, people will turn to a different station because people want to see it. Now it's bubbled up. It's broken through. You can't ignore it. So CNN's coverage is all over it now, right?

Mark Hayes (14:22.533)
Yes.

Awful.

Mark Hayes (14:29.402)
Right.

Because they got to. Yep.

Mark Hayes (14:38.247)
They wanna know.

BROCK GANELES (14:46.704)
You know, even Fox has to cover it. Even they just can't not, right? They may have a whole different plant on it, but they have to talk about it. Cause this, you know, the shows just can't ignore it. So I think that's a positive. The negative is like nothing on the ground has changed. And the Epstein files, I would think the Epstein file disclosures would

Mark Hayes (14:49.623)
Right

Mark Hayes (14:58.918)
You

BROCK GANELES (15:13.329)
have more Republican politicians continuing to backpedal away from Trump because they're seeing their political futures at severe risk to say the least. You know, even if they're morally, they don't give a shit and they have their soulless creatures that don't care at all about human beings. They care about themselves and their self-interest is at risk.

Mark Hayes (15:25.689)
Yes. Right. Right.

Mark Hayes (15:40.943)
And.

Marjorie Green was saying that very thing today on a pot, one of those right wing podcasts. She was saying that, you know, these people, you know, are all they're trying to do is keep their jobs because they can't make it in the real world. They're not good business people anyway. So they got to keep these, you know, political positions in order to sustain, you know, this nice, cushy lifestyle that they've become accustomed to.

Right? That's why they're trying to rock with Trump. But, you know, as we get into these special elections, you're talking about 31 points. A seat that got flipped in a red Tarrant County. Now, Tarrant County is as red as it gets. That's Fort Worth. Right? That's like West Dallas. Like, there ain't a whole lot of diversity out there in Tarrant County. You know what mean,

Folks are still out there with tumbleweeds and one of the little pine straw things in their jaw, a pinch of tobacco between their cheek and gum. And it is as ruby red as you can get. And Trump was a plus 17 there and lost.

BROCK GANELES (17:01.616)
That's got, mean, if you're, if, there's 30 point swings now, if, if, if people are looking at 30 point swings, that puts almost everything in play. Well, I don't know the number we can look into it, right? Maybe there's 40 or 50, I don't know, 75 seats in Congress that are more than a 30, right? I gotta believe.

Mark Hayes (17:13.293)
All bets are off.

No doubt.

Mark Hayes (17:26.916)
Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (17:28.614)
Kansas and Montana. And there's a bunch of places where 30, you know, where it's 40 plus, but 31 brings a lot of conversations to the place, like brings almost anything in Florida into play kind of pretty much any, almost anything in Georgia into play anything in North Carolina. Right? Like, so it just changes the whole dynamic. What I hope is it changes the conversation too. First of all, I hope it gets Republicans to be forced to

Mark Hayes (17:53.282)
Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (17:59.078)
pull the rug out from under ice, at least enough to where they can message that they're on the right side of this issue. Cause the public has swung so much. Second of all, I hope Democrats stop playing Maga light in these like quote purple districts and realize that like you got to hit people with the issues that matter to them. And ice is a massive issue to everyone in America. Like there's almost no one.

Mark Hayes (18:08.76)
Yes.

Mark Hayes (18:15.406)
Cat 2.

Mark Hayes (18:23.768)
Yes. Yes.

BROCK GANELES (18:26.938)
who isn't aware of what's going on with ice and doesn't like it. You got a small sliver of maga that still loves it. Most of America's like, doesn't fit our vision.

Mark Hayes (18:36.942)
Bullshit. Yep. I mean, look at the outright indignation that's coming out of Minnesota. If you watch any of the coverage on the local news stations there, mean, people are furious. The arrest of Don Lemon didn't help either. And that just basically threw fuel on the fire. But yeah, everything's in play now.

And if you're straddling the fence trying to be center right, you know, we don't need you. We need everything pushed to the left, right? Because when this is over, we've still got to get to that reckoning point. We would have got four seat lead. That's a slim margin in the house right now. Four seats. And the midterms, you know, there's a lot of talk about shady dealings going on at the midterms. These guys demanded voter rolls.

This is only going to make them even more likely to try some bullshit come the elections in November. If we get there.

BROCK GANELES (19:41.83)
Well, if you're, if you're a congressman in a plus 10 district, which you thought would have been comfortable and you're going to be in that seat for the rest of your life for as long as you want it to be. Now you're like, shit, you're, you may be underwater, right? You may be playing from behind. So now you're even thinking like, either have to change my stance on some policies to get closer to where the people are, the actual voters are, or I'm riding shotgun.

Mark Hayes (19:54.998)
Right.

Mark Hayes (20:04.387)
Thank

BROCK GANELES (20:07.962)
with the voter suppression and I'm just going to assume that one way or another Trump is going to rig this whole thing for all of us. I think those are your two choices at this point because status quo is probably not going to work for you because you can't even do a town hall. I don't know how these guys are going to campaign where they where they stand and I'll tell you a big bellwether as I'm watching it every day. I want to see if the Democrats primary Swazi he's in the most blue

Mark Hayes (20:09.923)
Yep.

Mark Hayes (20:19.799)
Yeah, it's not gonna fly.

Mark Hayes (20:35.874)
Got to.

BROCK GANELES (20:37.134)
He's in the most blue district. And with the where sentiment is right now, a progressive or anyone to the left of him could win that district heading into November messaging what people want to hear, not from a guy who just voted, you know, for ICE funding. I mean, he should be primaried. And if he's not, that just tells me like, I mean, just tells me that democratic leadership is still soft.

Mark Hayes (20:56.002)
Right.

Mark Hayes (21:05.08)
are not serious. Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (21:06.278)
and middle of the road and still tiptoeing around and is not even close to where the people are right now. The people are so far ahead of the party.

Mark Hayes (21:14.752)
Right, and they are not being strategic. They're not being strategic, right? The Republicans are playing chess, right? Since the early 90s, late 80s, when they started gerrymandering, we just put the checkers away, okay? We need to start thinking strategically and taking seats that we know are vulnerable. Everything's in play.

BROCK GANELES (21:45.22)
Yeah, we're going to go for the throat. When is the when is Margie Taylor green seat going to get voted on?

Mark Hayes (21:45.28)
Right? Even in the middle of America.

Mark Hayes (21:53.855)
That should be coming up soon. Now remember these governors like Governor Hot Wheels out there in Texas, he held out for as long as he possibly could on having that special election. Yes, it was forever.

BROCK GANELES (21:55.898)
I mean.

BROCK GANELES (22:02.296)
almost it was like nine months to 10 months a year almost. So I don't know, but the Republicans may want to fast track that one because they think it's a, a MAGA seat. But my question is, was that a plus 30? Was that a plus 40 district? Like, is it in play in a special election? I'm pretty certain it's, it's a black guy that's running right on the democratic side.

Mark Hayes (22:14.067)
It's a safe seat. Right.

Mark Hayes (22:27.925)
Yeah. And Brock, remember that is Dalton, the carpet district that was hit hard by this economy. Right? Because remember, first of all, we took away the workforce, right? And that's a lot of folks in Dalton that probably ran for the hills because of the fear of ice. Right? I think it's all in play, bro.

BROCK GANELES (22:51.494)
Yeah, i'm saying I I think that you got to leave with ice Yeah, it's you know, so that would be interesting. Um I'm you know, i'm just you know I just keep looking for the next special election because I want to see how how far the swing can be Because the numbers keep coming up remember in tennessee, right? She swung that election in early december by what 25 points but still lost something like that 24 You know what? if

Mark Hayes (23:08.986)
Right. Yep. But still lost. Yep. Yep.

BROCK GANELES (23:19.394)
If that election was yesterday

Mark Hayes (23:22.696)
she went.

BROCK GANELES (23:24.08)
He might, maybe she wins. the ice is swinging votes. on the right, certainly independents, don't wanna see this. you know, mean, the Dems have to press the advantage. I love that Jasmine Crockett's on the plane with that new congressman. You know, she's gonna walk into Johnson's door to get him sworn in.

Mark Hayes (23:27.412)
She wins. with the shooting of Renee Good.

Mark Hayes (23:37.941)
Right.

Mark Hayes (23:42.303)
It's a...

Mark Hayes (23:51.467)
Yep.

BROCK GANELES (23:52.688)
Cause he's pretty progressive, right? And he's talking about one of his number one things is, is the ice fight. He's coming to DC to fight ice and he's not afraid to say abolish ice, right? He's not like pussy footing it, right? He's saying abolish ice. You know, I saw Hakeem Jeffries today said it needs to be like deconstructed or something like that. So his verbiage is getting closer, but I don't know why the Dems would be afraid to say abolish ice, abolish ice.

Mark Hayes (24:02.581)
Yeah. And we got to. No. Right?

BROCK GANELES (24:21.326)
and create something new and better that just is more targeted for the border for security, not something that roams around the country, you know, tear gassing generic citizens like they did in Portland and in Eugene, Oregon last night, right? They were back out in Oregon, fucking around.

Mark Hayes (24:23.86)
should be the battle cry.

Mark Hayes (24:34.172)
American. American.

Right. Right. So, you know, look, that should be the battle cry, abolish ICE. There shouldn't be any sugar coating it. And now I'm even more excited that Jasmine Crockett is running for Senator in Texas. You know why? Because it's all in play. Everything's in play. I wish we could get Beto back somewhere, on a ticket somewhere. Because Beto...

Beto was talking to the people, right? And Beto is right where we live. And I hate that he's not part of our political apparatus right now and our decision makers.

BROCK GANELES (25:21.482)
it's going to be all hands on deck as we move, you know, over the next nine months and you know, first we, you know, we're to have to fight for, everyone's going to have to fight to make sure they get their vote and then right to make sure they're on the voter rolls and don't get purged. that's, we're all going to have to fight that individual battle. And then there's going to be, you know, voter tampering. There's going to be all kinds of shit. Trump's not going quietly. He's not going to let the Congress, he's not going to let the Congress turn blue so that they can impeach him.

Mark Hayes (25:21.92)
No doubt as we move forward. Yep.

Mark Hayes (25:40.127)
Yup.

Mark Hayes (25:50.066)
No. No.

BROCK GANELES (25:51.32)
I mean he's fighting for his life, the Epstein files, mean he's got, you name it, he's at risk.

Mark Hayes (25:56.978)
How can he not be indicted? Like, I don't get it. I just don't get it.

BROCK GANELES (26:02.362)
He's not going be indicted until there's a Democrat at the DOJ because he's going to get protected until then unless MAGA World actually turns on him and I just don't see the scenario.

Mark Hayes (26:07.38)
Right.

Mark Hayes (26:14.942)
Yeah, speaking of the DOJ, you know, they're still, you know, having trouble keeping people, right? Minnesota people are walking out, you know, even people who need the job that were just trying to hang on, they're saying they're resigning. So I was listening to Harry Littman yesterday and he was talking about them, thousands of career prosecutors in DOJ that are leaving from main justice and around the country.

BROCK GANELES (26:42.096)
Well, they're getting asked to do, but they're getting asked to do things that they're morally opposed to that they know are wrong. So either you get, they're getting either strong armed into taking cases that they just ethically aren't on board with, like the Comey case and you know, Letitia James, like targeted cases, right? Or Don Lemon's case, right? So they just ethically can't be there. And they know that if they go along with it, they've now tarnished their reputation for the rest of their lives.

Mark Hayes (26:48.669)
Right. Right.

Mark Hayes (27:01.667)
Right. Right.

BROCK GANELES (27:11.622)
So it becomes a personal credibility issue. It sucks economically for them, but from a personal credibility issue, they don't wanna be wearing that for the rest of their careers. None of us are gonna forget who stayed and played ball. So they kinda have to quit. I I feel that way about a lot of journalists that are at some of these organizations. Like if you're at CBS, how long can you stay at CBS? If you're at, you know,

Mark Hayes (27:14.193)
No doubt.

Mark Hayes (27:21.759)
Hmm.

Mark Hayes (27:26.984)
Yep.

Mark Hayes (27:34.223)
God.

Right.

BROCK GANELES (27:38.842)
Washington Post, how long can you stay at the Washington Post? Like you know your organization is now in essence a part of the oligarchy and is a part of a propaganda network that's propping up what you know is a fucking demented lunatic autocrat wannabe. So therefore, how do you just keep going along and being a part of that? You have to find

Mark Hayes (27:46.375)
It's compromised. Yeah.

Yep.

Mark Hayes (28:03.016)
You can.

BROCK GANELES (28:05.51)
your exit ramp and you've had plenty of time that maybe CBS just hit them? If you've at the Washington Post, you've had a year two to figure out that you need to get your ass out of there. That year with an organization that's part of the propaganda network. And same with the DOJ people. like, you know, they've been there a year. You know what's going on. Do you really want to be the prosecutor on these, you know, fictitious, know, bogus slash

Mark Hayes (28:16.98)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (28:20.392)
No doubt.

Mark Hayes (28:25.724)
You know what they're doing.

BROCK GANELES (28:34.384)
Borderline illegal cases, you know that you're you're abusing the law. So if you have any credibility you have to go

Mark Hayes (28:36.764)
Right.

Well, they're all fabricated. Yeah, they're all fabricated. All right, before we get out of here, let's talk about a couple of quick hits. What do you got for me?

BROCK GANELES (28:50.214)
Two quick hits. They're related. They both go under the heading of either everything Trump touches dies and or the tone deaf nature of the Mad King. The first one is you may have seen today that Trump is going to be shutting down the Kennedy Center for two years starting July 5th. Whoa, I wonder why that is. Hey, it's leaking funds now. No one will perform there.

Mark Hayes (28:56.796)
Ha ha ha ha ha!

Mark Hayes (29:10.494)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (29:19.012)
So it's an empty vessel. And now he's now he's tarnishing it as a dilapidated building that needs to be refurbished. So they're going to put the Kennedy Center on ice for two years. So how long after Trump put his name on it? Did he have to shut it down? Was it a month, three weeks? It wasn't very long that his name was on here. there goes the Kennedy Center. And in a related related topic.

Mark Hayes (29:36.445)
Right.

Mark Hayes (29:39.994)
It wasn't very long at all.

And before it is started.

BROCK GANELES (29:47.162)
He's literally fucking going down the road and talking about this like freedom arch or something that he's now going to build. That's like going to be the second tallest building in DC. But is there no recognition of the fact that this is where dollars are fucking being spent? Does Trump think that the American people don't realize that there was no money for their fucking healthcare?

Mark Hayes (29:56.977)
I saw that.

Mark Hayes (30:11.666)
Yeah, boys. See ya.

BROCK GANELES (30:17.658)
but somehow he has a slush fund of money to build these vanity projects two in one year, the ballroom and now this fucking bullshit arch when we just stripped away.

subsidies for the Affordable Care Act for millions, maybe tens of millions of people. And the dollar is dollars are about equivalent. So while you're supposedly addressing affordability, this is what Trump's really doing. It's like he's a fucking toddler and he's a fucking maniac. And I just wonder if this in any way impacts

Mark Hayes (30:32.786)
for millions.

BROCK GANELES (30:56.902)
anyone on the MAGA side of the equation who's trying to argue fiscal responsibility yet they got this fucking moron running around talking about like these idiotic projects that no one cares about but him. So those are my two quick hits for the day on just Trump is just you know just lost.

Mark Hayes (31:03.262)
Right.

Mark Hayes (31:10.276)
All. Right. At all. Those are good ones.

Mark Hayes (31:19.164)
Yeah, and I saw him talking about that comparing it to the Arc de Triomphe, which is, like he doesn't even know why the Arc de Triomphe is there. You know what I mean? Right, no one wants it, right? We'd much rather have healthcare, affordable healthcare. But yeah, you do you, Mad King. How funny is it that also in the F-

BROCK GANELES (31:30.153)
Nobody... Exactly. No one in America cares. No one in America cares about Arctic Triangle from like, 10 years.

Mark Hayes (31:47.747)
Epstein files that the original funder of the Steele dossier was little Marco. I wish I could be in the next cabinet meeting for that one. Little Marco Rubio, Rick Wilson posted it today on his Twitter feed. I told y'all Rick Wilson is awesome.

BROCK GANELES (32:09.252)
So Rubio funded it as opposition research against Trump in the primary? to try to bury Trump.

Mark Hayes (32:15.534)
Yes sir. Little Marco. Yeah, little Marco. Yeah. you know, they're all eating each other from the, I mean, the amoeba is eating itself from the inside.

BROCK GANELES (32:33.328)
Well, we knew Rubio hated Trump. mean, he said it just as Cruz. mean, all these guys, Lindsey Graham, like they're on record. We've seen the quotes. It's this Trump has emasculated them by making them a part of the organization and just browbeating them. But I didn't realize, okay, so Rubio was funded it, not the Democratic hoax, not the Clintons, not Obama, not Jimmy Carter, right? So you know.

Mark Hayes (32:35.395)
Yeah, right.

Mark Hayes (32:40.73)
Right.

Mark Hayes (32:45.852)
Nope.

Mark Hayes (32:55.985)
There you go. And remember the dossier had the PP tapes mentioned, where you like the golden showers. So you know Russia's got the video.

BROCK GANELES (33:02.587)
Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (33:08.204)
So is the right just ignoring this information? this even made into the mainstream media at all? Not yet?

Mark Hayes (33:18.362)
Well, see, that's the thing. They're probably not following Lincoln Project people or Rick Wilson, right? So, you know, they probably won't see it. I know Marco's hoping they don't see it.

BROCK GANELES (33:23.739)
Mm-hmm.

BROCK GANELES (33:30.052)
Yeah, but I mean, would think like Nicole Wallace, hope we'll see if it's talked about a lot, at least on the left tomorrow to where it bubbles its way up so that yes, so that Trump has to address it and Rubio has to address it and they have to, you know, at least whatever they just lose more credibility if that's possible, you know, if there's any credibility left.

Mark Hayes (33:34.564)
Right. Right.

Mark Hayes (33:40.23)
Show now.

Mark Hayes (33:44.315)
Yup.

Mark Hayes (33:51.366)
Right.

Right. I love it. I love it. Absolutely love it. All right, my friend. That's a good place for us to get out of here. We'll do it again tomorrow. We'll rack it up again on a Monday. Come on, cholesterol. Yes, sir. Sounds good. Peace.

BROCK GANELES (34:09.304)
All right, Mark, always a pleasure. Always a pleasure. Talk to you tomorrow.