2 Men In Black and White: An Honest Conversation

MARK HAYES (00:01.068)
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another exciting edition of Two Men in Black and White. And here we go, folks. Minus eight degree, well, eight degree weather in Minneapolis. We've got thousands of people protesting in the streets. This is America under Donald Trump. It is exhausting to say the least. What did Dr. King say,

We all start to die once we're silent about the things that matter.

MARK HAYES (00:37.342)
mean, Brock, it is just ridiculous. Brock and Ellis is here for a closer look with us from the beautiful confines of the upper Hudson River Valley where it is rather chilly, huh Brock? We got some weather going on up there.

BROCK GANELES (00:50.201)
Yeah, we got Minneapolis weather here. We're in zero with minus three this morning, so we're, you know.

MARK HAYES (00:56.056)
You're right there. You know, it's pretty sad that we have to sit here day after day and wonder when Americans are going to finally be fed up. We got Don Lemon going to jail along with three other independent journalists. You know, I was checking out Lemon Live about an hour ago. He had Miles Taylor on with Monique Presley. They were filling in.

his time slot there, you know, he does Lemon Live every day. And they were raising funds for his legal defense. So, you know, this is all they're trying to do is they're trying to destroy and discredit journalists, mostly journalists of color, because that's all they picked up today. And there's no surprise there.

BROCK GANELES (01:48.899)
An independent journalist where it's just really expensive, right? So it's like the resources of American government against someone who's like us just got a, you know, a website and a camera on their computer, right? Not someone at like CNN or NBC who's got the backing, maybe the corporation. So they did was a sort of a seem like a cherry pick the rest cherry pick that they're all people of color. Doesn't seem like that.

MARK HAYES (01:59.628)
Mm-hmm.

MARK HAYES (02:15.124)
Mm-hmm. No surprise.

BROCK GANELES (02:17.762)
Yeah, it doesn't seem like that's a coincidence. Not necessarily surprised that it's the exact same day of some Epstein files leaking out. So just, you know, if they're going to come out, let's get a big story, big shiny, know, shiny object for the press to focus on instead of those Epstein files. Right. Because, know, the press is, of course, going to, you know, report on themselves and, you know, talk First Amendment and the like. So it's all calculated.

MARK HAYES (02:35.308)
Yep. Yep. Yep.

BROCK GANELES (02:47.204)
they flooding the zone with more more activities. But, ICE hasn't pulled back at all. as much as Tom Homan was sent to Minneapolis supposedly to calm the waters, Trump immediately came out and said there would be no change. So, there's no change to the mission, no change to the number of agents on the street, no change to their weaponry, no change to their mandate, no change to their quotas.

MARK HAYES (02:54.701)
No.

BROCK GANELES (03:14.554)
And you know, the other story that's, you know, trickling around is how much real estate the government is buying up in terms of warehouses as they get ready to just incarcerate more people. I mean, I guess this is what they did in Germany as they were building concentration camps, because you can't just put Jews on trains and send them to nowhere, right? There's got to be a destination. So now the American government is setting up the destinations.

MARK HAYES (03:29.548)
I mean, it is.

MARK HAYES (03:34.274)
Right.

MARK HAYES (03:37.879)
Right?

BROCK GANELES (03:44.13)
So as the rice agents hit the quotas, got places to send them. Floors to have them sleep on with like those little metallic blankets.

MARK HAYES (03:48.842)
Yep.

MARK HAYES (03:54.274)
We're the only nation that warehouses people for profit. We're the only one, only industrialized nation warehousing human beings for profit. It's disgusting, it's despicable. It's right out of, you know, the Nazi playbook, as you mentioned. And again, I will refer you folks.

If you are going to Europe anytime soon and get a chance to go to Berlin or get a chance to swing by Auschwitz and see these concentration camps, they're used as memorials and museums now, and you'll get to see the sheer magnitude

of the number of people in the largesse of these concentration camps. You couldn't see from one end to the other. It was like five, six football fields long at DeKalb. When we went there, I took my son there to visit. We were on a hockey tour and all the hockey teams went by to visit. You know, the cells were crude.

like they were thrown together, like the government is doing here. But, you know, we heard that Donald Trump was a huge Hitler fan, had a copy of Mein Kampf right on his nightstand. So, you know, the fact that he's putting it into action should not surprise us. Should not surprise us.

And we have a huge section of white America to thank for this, who is so afraid of diversity and losing their social standing and hierarchy that we couldn't vote for the Black woman. I mean.

MARK HAYES (06:01.528)
You know, here we are, here we are, what, six years after Barack Obama? No, eight years after Barack Obama, right? Nine? Yeah, Biden term and a Trump term. Nine years after Barack Obama. you know, white folks still have 10 times the wealth of African-Americans, which is not hard to do when, you you look at the average in Metro Boston is $8.

BROCK GANELES (06:13.366)
in a trump term.

MARK HAYES (06:31.086)
for a black family, net worth. So, you I don't know how much, you know, a black woman was going to change that, but we know we wouldn't have had, you know, what is now an authoritarian regime.

BROCK GANELES (06:48.474)
Yeah, I mean, she would have changed it to some extent, certainly, right? Because policy matters. Yeah, just the dramatic amount of the tax dollars that are being thrown at this warehousing of people on this ice is just out of control. I mean, I do see some chatter of trying to roll back on the budget, but that doesn't seem to really be where the fight is right now. We're just talking about incremental funding of ice, which is why we're basically already in this mess.

MARK HAYES (06:54.592)
Right.

MARK HAYES (07:14.518)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (07:17.946)
that's hard to get out of, you know, and it's hard to get out of with a political solution now, certainly maybe in a year if we actually have a fair election and a turnover in the legislative branch. Maybe then there could be, you know, a true defunding of ICE and a forcing of a whole different, you know, department. for the next 10 months, that doesn't do shit. That option doesn't exist.

MARK HAYES (07:20.215)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (07:46.368)
So we're just, got to do what Minneapolis is doing is that they're hitting the streets, right? They're literally just trying to chase ice out of their city through sheer effort.

MARK HAYES (07:57.738)
and numbers. Brock, thinking about the midterms 10 months away, first of all, I don't know if the country can survive 10 months until we get to the November midterms. Just take a look at what happened here in Atlanta. We had the FBI, Tulsi Gabbard, and all the higher ups here in Atlanta at the election warehouse.

Fulton County Election Warehouse confiscating ballots. What fuck is going on?

BROCK GANELES (08:31.416)
Yeah, because they have to concoct a election interference scenario, slash scam that argues to a massive restriction of the voter rolls, basically kicking Democratic voters off the voter rolls so that they can win a ultra low turnout election in November because people can't vote.

MARK HAYES (08:40.095)
Right.

MARK HAYES (08:49.848)
The only way they can win.

BROCK GANELES (08:57.23)
right? They're going after mail and voting, but mostly they're just going to go after who's even eligible to vote. So first they have to manufacture the lie to justify the action. And you know, that's going to be step one. Step two will be denying the results if they don't pull it off or maybe anywhere that they don't pull it off. You know, I think that they realize maybe they can't cancel the elections because the States run them, but you know what? They can go in with the feds and they can read.

you know, raid election offices and get access to data.

MARK HAYES (09:32.898)
which is really, really scary. mean, you know, and now remember what they asked for in Minnesota, huh? We're ICE and we'll leave if you give us your voter roll info. I mean, they know they can't win a free and fair election, Brock. That's why I fear, you know, I think they'll come and seize, you know, the voting ballot boxes.

before they, you know, announce the result. Yeah. Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (10:03.972)
before they get counted. Yeah, I mean, they're going to try every trick in the book. They can't. mean, look, we're worse where approval Trump's approval ratings are now, or just a generic Democrat versus generic Republican now, I think is a plus six for the Democrat, the most it's ever been in the history of that polling. They're seeing the results of all these special elections. getting their cock cleaned basically everywhere. No one's seat is safe. They're

They're seeing the town halls even in the red ruby reddest of districts where, know, six months ago was the farmers going nuts about some judicial overreach. And now it's all about ice. But, you know, they've riled up the American people enough where they know the votes are against them. I just wish they the American people riled up enough.

MARK HAYES (10:35.98)
see.

MARK HAYES (10:51.106)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (10:55.598)
to take more aggressive action on a day to day basis and do what Minneapolis is doing which is boycotting walkouts and just a constant confrontation of ICE as well as general protesting.

MARK HAYES (11:01.751)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (11:14.102)
Right. That riddled me this, Batman. Why is JD Vance in Minneapolis? He doesn't have the kind of charisma that we are normally associating with that position. You know, we've had some amazing vice presidents in our time. He's not one of them.

BROCK GANELES (11:35.747)
not on the Republican side, mean Pence and Dan Quayle and I mean guess Dick Cheney had a certain allure to at least a certain portion of the American public. He's an evil genius. At least you can give him evil genius status. yeah, hear he advances like one of the worst spokesmen they have on the MAGA side, but they keep throwing him out there.

MARK HAYES (11:40.14)
Yeah, eww.

MARK HAYES (11:47.146)
a certain kind of Republic.

MARK HAYES (11:53.174)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (12:06.746)
I who else do have to go to though? I mean, it's the lesser of all evils, right? There's no one they can send out there who, well, they can send Miller out there, Homan, Kristi Noem, you just go up and down the list. I I was surprised we had a Tulsi Gabbard sighting down in Georgia, but that only tells me they're gonna try to concoct an international election interference lie.

MARK HAYES (12:11.138)
They got nothing.

Right?

MARK HAYES (12:19.662)
you

Yeah.

MARK HAYES (12:27.479)
Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (12:37.026)
for 2020, right? They're going to rope in someone, you know, not Russia, but someone else is having tapped into voting machines or who knows how outlandish it's going to be. It almost doesn't matter how outlandish it is, they're going with it.

MARK HAYES (12:37.26)
Yep. Right. Right. And next.

MARK HAYES (12:53.612)
Yeah, yeah, and that's the scary part. And the other sad part is, like I mentioned to you before, I thought we had levers of government that wouldn't allow this kind of thing to happen, that wouldn't allow people to run roughshod over the law or institutional norms. The lawmakers, in fact, are the law breakers right now. So who do we call? I mean, they're out here. Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (13:20.13)
is now on the turn to. But I mean, isn't it kind of almost comical that the reason that we don't have a budget continuation passed right now is because Lindsey Graham is holding out so that he can have the option to sue the government.

because they accessed his phone records as part of the Jack Smith's investigation. So he's literally holding up the four out of the five pieces of budget that everyone agreed on where they carved out the ICE funding and kicked the can down the road for two weeks. But Lindsey Graham's throwing a monkey wrench in the whole thing. It's like just once again, selfishness. Lindsey Graham literally is holding up the entire American government system.

MARK HAYES (13:51.499)
Right.

MARK HAYES (14:08.205)
Yep.

BROCK GANELES (14:08.334)
for his little beef. And that's where we are at in terms of the leadership that we have in this country up and down the line.

MARK HAYES (14:11.031)
Right.

MARK HAYES (14:16.578)
Well, that's what I was going to say. Yeah. You know, she is emblematic of our leadership right now. And she's probably going to hold firm until she gets a call from Donald Trump and then, know, Lindsey, you know, the little sweep.

Southern petite little doll that she is will then finally acquiesce when you know Donald Trump calls her and gives her the you know, you know Yeah

BROCK GANELES (14:47.086)
Yeah, he'll pull back from this because he's going to hurt Trump, right? Yeah, Trump's going to lay down the hammer on him eventually. But I do want to segue, talk the Don Lemon thing for a second, right? Because it's obviously a targeted arrest. It's obviously intimidation. It's obviously it's racist and it's trying to scare off future journalists from doing things that will rile up.

MARK HAYES (14:56.365)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (15:01.453)
Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (15:17.4)
this administration. But the other thing that it leads me to because it's for people of color is my constant drumbeat of the fact that black America is going to have to join the protests because this government is coming for you as a black man. Eventually,

MARK HAYES (15:19.244)
Yep.

BROCK GANELES (15:45.861)
that's certainly coming for me as a Jewish person. Eventually they're going to be coming for all of us. It's just in what order, but the Haitians in Ohio are next. The Somalis in Minnesota, the Haitians in Ohio are targeted next. guess like February 4th or so is the day that some of their amnesty runs out. you know, that's going to be another community of color that's going to get raided. So

MARK HAYES (15:51.19)
Right. Right.

MARK HAYES (16:15.414)
Well, you know, and here's the good thing.

BROCK GANELES (16:16.506)
I think it's going to accelerate the timeframe of when Black America joins the protest because...

MARK HAYES (16:23.084)
Yeah. Yeah. Well, you saw what happened in Brooklyn when they went into some Haitian communities there. They got a little bit more than they bargained for. And I don't think that was just Haitians. So yeah, I hear you. Columbus, Ohio, that area, I believe is where they're focused on, where they're eating the cats and dogs, I believe, where they're going. Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (16:45.368)
Yeah, think it's Columbus is a big target area. Yeah.

MARK HAYES (16:49.964)
You know, you have lots of African Americans. You also have a good sized university there with a sizable African American population in Ohio State University. So, you know, we may see students next, you know, running into the dagger that is ICE. And, you know,

God help Donald Trump if some student is murdered, you know, in a peaceful protest. You know, God help him. God help this asshole anyway, right? Because he is the worst among us, right? And that's what they're supposed to be cleaning out of this country, right? Is what they said. But Donald Trump is a bully. He's uneducated.

He's not well read. He doesn't have any of the things. He has no empathy, no compassion. He doesn't have any of the things that we look for in American leadership. And that's why he wasn't a good businessman. Right? Now, did you hear his comments on Los Angeles? Right? Because they're holding up the $40 billion to rebuild all those homes that were, know... Well, he doesn't want any low income housing built.

BROCK GANELES (18:05.632)
He wants to hold out the permits or something.

MARK HAYES (18:12.854)
Right? Because you know what that's code for, right? Black and brown. Right? So you don't build low housing in, you know, low income housing there. I've built lots of low income housing, but I wouldn't put it there. You know what he's saying right there.

BROCK GANELES (18:15.556)
Mm-hmm.

BROCK GANELES (18:28.922)
Of course we know what I'm saying. Look he's a horrendous human being. Look at what just came out on the trickle of information of the Epstein files that came out today. Some of which that have already been pulled offline because I think the DOJ realized they made a mistake because people picked up on it. Stories of Trump auctioning off underage women at parties in Mar-a-Lago. Like auctioning off? Like it actually even gets worse where he's like touching them as a part of like the...

MARK HAYES (18:42.072)
Hope you're fantastic.

BROCK GANELES (18:58.808)
the auction itself, multiple allegations of rape of Trump. This is an Epstein file that they're redacting to try to protect him, to try to pretend like they're releasing it, but protecting him. But you know, they're so inefficient and so incompetent that they're leaking out shit that incriminates Trump. And then as soon as they noticed that someone picked up on it, they're pulling it back, right? But he's a horrendous human being just, you know,

MARK HAYES (19:04.589)
Right.

MARK HAYES (19:08.212)
Right. Right.

MARK HAYES (19:25.357)
Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (19:29.082)
you can't make up decades of stories like this. People would have to have spent their whole lives and colluded even though they don't know each other to do it. This is not coincidence. He's a horrendous human being. Somehow we gave him the levers of power to run our country. It's a sad commentary on who we are as a people. So we should be doing some serious self-reflection.

MARK HAYES (19:40.396)
Right.

MARK HAYES (19:51.502)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (20:00.671)
acting, you know, we can't just sit around and self reflect. mean, we have you fucking acting and doing shit and confronting and embarrassing and trying to convince more and more of our fellow citizens that he's a horrendous human being. And what they're doing is un-American arresting Don Lemon and three other black journalists for some covering an event that a church is not illegal.

MARK HAYES (20:15.694)
Get out there.

MARK HAYES (20:22.606)
I'm like...

BROCK GANELES (20:28.908)
and it's un-American.

MARK HAYES (20:31.084)
Yep. Yep. Ice is in the... Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (20:32.786)
ICE mask Gestapo on the streets is un-American. Like this is not befitting of the country that we certainly aspire to be, but it's who we are right now because we haven't fixed it yet.

MARK HAYES (20:48.256)
Right.

Brock, getting back to your point about getting Black America out on the protest lines, I agree with you, arresting independent journalists of color should spur the moment, should spur our community to action. But again, this entire ordeal reminds us

of how differently the African, of how different the African-American experience is in America, right? Like, you know, people were mortified when you, when we lost these two amazing human beings and Alex Preti and Renee Good. But it was, it was a much higher level of mortification.

than we've ever seen before for the loss of any African-American. I mean, remember the numerous, numerous excuses for why police must have shot and killed him. Well, he must have done something. Why didn't they just comply? know, Trayvon Martin, he must have been beaten George Zimmerman's We heard George Zimmer. I mean,

BROCK GANELES (22:07.822)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (22:10.434)
You know, it's a totally different experience and it's maddening for Black America to watch this now because here is America fighting for everyone Brown except us. Right? This fight is on behalf of our immigrant brothers and sisters who have come to this country in search of a better life. It is not necessarily a fight

for the upliftment of African Americans who were stolen from their land, might I remind you, stolen from their culture, stolen from their roots and history and resettled against their will. And we still can't find a rightful place in America.

BROCK GANELES (23:01.454)
Mm-hmm.

BROCK GANELES (23:08.292)
True, but it's a step in the right direction. Because if white people are out there for immigrants of color, that's a step towards a bigger understanding, a more empathetic viewpoint of the world and more of an embracing an America that is multiracial and multicultural. Yeah, if I were sitting in your shoes as a black person who's been here all the time, right? Like, hey, what about fucking us? Been here for generations, built the whole fucking place.

MARK HAYES (23:33.9)
Yeah. Right. For free.

BROCK GANELES (23:35.635)
yeah, you're out there for the, for the immigrant who's like just, you know, got amnesty three weeks ago and is trying to make a life in America now. But you haven't been for me the whole time. So obviously I get that, frustration and that anger, but I still view it as a positive though. Yeah. And of course white America has been triggered in anger by watching white Americans get killed.

MARK HAYES (24:02.018)
get gunned down. Right.

BROCK GANELES (24:03.096)
and that's gotta be frustrating. yeah, they get mad when it's their own, but like when it was one of ours, although George Floyd did bring out a lot of white people. So at least it's, we know it's possible. It's been, it's the potential is there. So I just, it's still to view this as a step in the right direction. So I'm viewing the, I'm looking at the directionally positive angle of that, but there's so much real estate that needs to be made up for.

MARK HAYES (24:11.661)
Sure.

We know there's a conscience, right?

BROCK GANELES (24:32.596)
so much atonement that has to be done, so much soul searching and so much so many improvements that have to be made not only in American society but in the actual codified as laws and up you know and and not just let things sit in the gray area and not just as laws but laws that are then

enforced equally. Cause we all know the law doesn't matter 55 miles an hour. Hey, I'm zipping down the road at 74 and I just get a head not from the policeman and the black guy going 57 gets pulled over. You know, you know, that's, that doesn't matter that the law says 55 if that's not the way it's enforced. So, you know, a tighter on the enforcement, you know, maybe we can get there. Minneapolis is showing a lot, Mark. They just haven't stopped.

MARK HAYES (25:11.82)
Yep. Yep.

BROCK GANELES (25:27.204)
They just out there again and again. They have done enough. have shaken up the congress. They have put the funding of ICE, the tactics of ICE, really every element of ICE on the front pages of newspapers and in the headlines of even the shitty right wing, eyes closed.

MARK HAYES (25:27.319)
Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (25:56.635)
media is broken through. Trump is his back foot on this one. He is trying to play tough guy, but he is playing tough guy against hundreds of millions of Americans who don't want to hear it. And certainly he is not taking questions from the press. He is ducking it.

MARK HAYES (25:58.55)
Yep. Yep.

MARK HAYES (26:17.783)
Hell no.

BROCK GANELES (26:18.434)
He's watched those town halls. He watched Tom Swazzie get his fucking head handed to him. He watched Hagam in West Virginia have to and I mean in Wyoming sneak out the back of her own town hall. Right. She just she's left. She's walked out the back door. Couldn't take it anymore. Right. She lasted like five minutes. So. The pressure is there.

MARK HAYES (26:24.536)
Cheers.

MARK HAYES (26:29.612)
Wyoming.

MARK HAYES (26:33.55)
Yep.

The pressure is there. It has to be sustained. We can't quit. And again, we need to get to DC, gum up the works. And we need to make him declare martial law. And that will be the straw that broke the camel's back. When we all get to DC, when we surround whatever location he's at, be it the Capitol, be it 1600 Pennsylvania, we need to surround it.

Keep the government from, you know, business as usual. Shut that shit down for a few days. Make him declare martial law. Let's have the battle. Fuck it, you wanna shoot unarmed Americans? I'm sure there'll be plenty of press there to detail it and to memorialize it. And we'll go from there, but there will have to be some sacrifice. I think you're right.

I think Black Americans are going to say we've sacrificed enough. Enough of us have been lynched, shot, mutilated, burned, Abner Louima'd, you know, throughout the course of history. But it looks like we're going to have to be out there again to have the kind of numbers that we're going to need.

BROCK GANELES (28:04.046)
They gotta be overwhelming. Cause you know, I've been arguing, may even see on the chat board saying like, you know, white people are fighting, are fighting white supremacy right now. But in the white on white fight, it's kind of sadly, maybe a 50 50, you know, maybe it's a 60 40. I hope it's a 60 40 in anti white supremacy, but you saw how whites voted for Trump. So, you know, maybe some of them, you know, have stepped away from that, but

MARK HAYES (28:05.655)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (28:12.824)
Right.

MARK HAYES (28:24.462)
Please god let me

MARK HAYES (28:29.708)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (28:33.784)
to get the overwhelming numbers and really tip the scales as you throw all people of color onto the sane white America side. Now it really makes that white supremacy group look really, really small. You know, no Kings is lobbed out March 28th as a day for protest. It's two months away, which feels like a fucking 10 lifetimes, but it also gives a lot of, I'm probably waiting for the weather, probably gives a lot of time for people to make a plan and really

MARK HAYES (28:54.99)
committee.

BROCK GANELES (29:03.566)
think about whether they're going to be participating. And I know for white America, I think it'll be an embarrassment if you're not out there after watching what Minneapolis did and all this shit will go on in the next couple of months. there's no, you know, like how can you justify.

MARK HAYES (29:14.274)
Yeah.

Right.

BROCK GANELES (29:22.326)
not being a part of it. But like you said, I want to start channeling this. If that's a date that's thrown on the calendar, channeling it towards a massive DC rally. There can be hundreds of protests across the country. That's great. I get it. If you're in Boise, Idaho, you're in, you know, whatever, San Antonio, Texas, maybe you can't make it to DC. Get it. Go do a protest in your city. But there's plenty of us with two months to work with for there to be a massive numbers in DC.

MARK HAYES (29:32.609)
Right.

MARK HAYES (29:43.617)
Right.

MARK HAYES (29:50.144)
make a plan and get there. Absolutely. Absolutely. All right, buddy, you got a quick hit for me. Take us into the weekend.

BROCK GANELES (29:57.755)
Ah, cook it for you. First of all, you see what Texas A &M is doing? They're literally getting rid of like their women's studies program and they've already fired a bunch of professors who were talking about race and like just gets me back to I really wish athletes would stop going to these schools.

that are literally like becoming these little white supremacy bastions. like Texas A you know, it's fucking big SEC school. Like that's in the heart of all like, I mean, they want all these black athletes, right? They want to have great women's teams as well, but like they're carving, like they're, treat them like shit basically. You're second class citizens, but we want you to come in here and make a ton of money for us. So that's my, my beef du jour, but.

MARK HAYES (30:33.505)
Thank

MARK HAYES (30:42.84)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (30:46.828)
Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (30:49.378)
In today's quiz, a...

I can't even my own hand. I scowling void of nothingness.

MARK HAYES (31:01.71)
The scowling void of nothingness.

BROCK GANELES (31:02.998)
A scowling void of nothingness. this was Jeopardy! What is...

MARK HAYES (31:09.4)
Donald Trump.

BROCK GANELES (31:10.668)
My favorite review of Melania's movie.

MARK HAYES (31:14.062)
Ah, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

BROCK GANELES (31:20.34)
opens, opens tomorrow, a scowling void of nothingness.

MARK HAYES (31:24.942)
I mean, that's what she is. She's, you know, she's a bigger imposter than Trump is. You know, and and and and hold it. Remember, Brock, you just mentioned the Amazon layoffs yesterday. Sixteen thousand. Right. Where do you think that 70 million dollars that Bezos gave Melania and Brett Ratner for this fucking film? Right. Could have gone. Right. And you're laying off 16000 people.

Meanwhile, you're financing a scowling void of nothingness? 40 million for marketing, 30 million for production? What the?

BROCK GANELES (32:01.742)
People get-

BROCK GANELES (32:05.498)
America has to get off its Amazon addiction. Cancel Prime, figure out how to buy shit a different way. You don't have to support Jeff Bezos and him turning around and fucking basically throwing a bribe to Melania so that Trump will take care of his fucking businesses and let him buy, build more data centers so he can, you know.

MARK HAYES (32:09.49)
Exactly.

MARK HAYES (32:13.922)
Yep.

MARK HAYES (32:18.893)
wanna see.

BROCK GANELES (32:29.07)
you enrich himself even that much more. And let's remember his little ring cameras that everyone has on their door that he bought. They're now sharing all that information with ice. Like Bezos ain't on, he ain't on your side.

MARK HAYES (32:37.765)
recognition.

Yep.

He ain't on our side. Nope. Nope. All right. I got for you a segment from Read the Room. Minnesota Vikings have fired their general manager. Let me tell you his name first and then you guess the ethnicity. Kwaisi Adolfo Menza. Okay. Man of African descent.

BROCK GANELES (32:47.332)
What do you got for me?

MARK HAYES (33:14.978)
During ICE protests ad nausea, you fire the one black guy in the front office. Wow. Read the fucking room, Minnesota Vikings. I mean, how pathetic. You know, I just, don't understand. Well, I do understand. I just wonder, you know, how you make those decisions.

BROCK GANELES (33:28.698)
Alright.

MARK HAYES (33:44.716)
without looking out your, all they had to do was look out the window. Just look out the window, turn your body and look out the window and see the thousands of people protesting. The injustice is done to people of color. And really you can't live with a dofus mensa for another season. I mean, what are you doing?

BROCK GANELES (34:06.956)
Shit they couldn't even get through the Super Bowl. They couldn't even get through the two weeks of heading into the Super Bowl. Wow.

MARK HAYES (34:11.642)
Right. Right. mean, come on. Look, I know you didn't have the greatest season. You were in a tough division this year with, you know, the Packers, Bears, and Lions. You know, you let your quarterback go. The quarterback they let go, by the way. Where's he going next week? You can find him in the Super Bowl. All right.

BROCK GANELES (34:27.962)
Super Bowl. What? You know, while we're on the NFL, my favorite racist organization, lot of coaching changes in the offseason. How many how many black coaches got hired? In the NFL. what do know? None. So Tomlin's out. And the guy in Miami. Right. Mixed race, right, I think he's out.

MARK HAYES (34:39.479)
Mm-hmm.

So far none, I believe.

MARK HAYES (34:51.948)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (34:57.402)
and no new black coaches got hired. I wonder how many of the teams followed the quote Rooney rule and actually interviewed black candidates. Didn't hear didn't hear an inkling about that. That that's out the fucking window right they don't.

MARK HAYES (35:11.82)
Yeah, yeah. That was always seen as, you know, just, I mean, in my estimate, yeah.

BROCK GANELES (35:17.59)
a fraud. was window dressing. was fake DEI. That was like putting racism in the end zones, right? That was...

MARK HAYES (35:23.468)
Yeah, that was like, you know, please don't bother us. We've got this program in place. You know, so a lot of guys felt like the interviews that they were getting were just, you know, lip service. So yeah, just check the box. You know, so yeah.

BROCK GANELES (35:36.932)
Check the box, yep.

MARK HAYES (35:43.554)
another racist organization who was able to keep ICE away from the Super Bowl because 32 billionaires out of the 83 run in this country said, please stay away. You're going to cost us a bunch of dough. And we need to help cover, you know, some of the small market teams who aren't exactly bringing in the dough like the Cowboys, Steelers and the Bears and some of these other, you know,

legacy franchises. Fuck. Alright bro.

BROCK GANELES (36:13.018)
Yeah. Frustrating. All right. Well, let's see overnight. Let's see how long Lindsey Graham holds out with this one little, you know, little thing. Let's see. Let's see if he gets that the hammer comes down on Lindsey Graham or not. Otherwise we got ourselves a government shutdown. So, okay. Let it shut. Let it shut down.

MARK HAYES (36:21.89)
Yeah, well she can be a tough little cookie sometimes.

MARK HAYES (36:30.882)
Covered shut down at midnight. yeah, Lindsay, she might taco and chicken out at the, at the last minute there once Trump calls. It won't go past the weekend. She won't last that long. So she'll give in. So remember how she, remember how she was done with it after January 6th, the night of January 6th, she was on the floor and she screamed, yes, I'm out.

BROCK GANELES (36:54.188)
yeah, yeah, yeah. One speech. One speech.

MARK HAYES (37:00.108)
That's it for me. And she was back in the following day, you know, running down to Marillardo to kiss the ring. So, you know, we never know what she's gonna do. So good luck, Lexi. Yeah. All right, buddy. Have a great night. See you again tomorrow. Peace. Yes, sir.

BROCK GANELES (37:10.68)
Not much faith there.

All right, Marco, it was a pleasure. Talk to you tomorrow. Stay safe down there.