2 Men In Black and White: An Honest Conversation

MARK HAYES (00:01.388)
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another exciting edition of Two Men in Black and White. Today we have two black men joining the fray, myself and Hervé Francois is back, our special correspondent from Jersey. Ginellis, our resident white guy joins us, keeping an eye on the white community for us. know, Brock, it's interesting. These people think

that they can just tell us anything. They think they can piss on us and tell us that it's raining outside. They have lost control of the narrative because they're lying and no one can keep the lies together. The video contradicts everything that they say in Minnesota. There's a federal judge there now demanding that the head of DHS appear in courtroom or face contempt charges. And so now,

What you're seeing is basically the perfect storm, right? Because the people of Minnesota are not letting up. I popped on the newscast at KSTP, the ABC affiliate in St. Paul today at about 10 after four, and they were covering the ICE Festival. It had a reporter dedicated.

to going live at the ice festival. So as Brock, as we've been saying, the media continues to fail us. You've got people dying on your streets and you're out at the fucking ice carving expedition. Who the fuck's in charge? Who the fuck's in charge? I was mortified. turned it off. I said, see, this is exactly why I left local news. Because nobody gives a fuck. All right. So Irvay, let's get your thoughts on two weeks.

BROCK GANELES (01:38.734)
Nice car.

Herve Francois (01:47.379)
Mm-hmm.

MARK HAYES (01:54.146)
two shootings, two amazing human beings, but more importantly, two white people protesting for the black and brown people of Minneapolis. What are your thoughts?

Herve Francois (02:06.548)
Mm-hmm.

Herve Francois (02:11.699)
Yeah, listen, my thoughts are, unfortunately what's happening is, was inevitable to happen. And that is for however they guise this quote unquote on mission. We're gonna go into Minneapolis and we are going to arrest and deport illegal immigrants.

that has been supplemented, that has been supplanted, excuse me. That is no longer the story, that is no longer the focus, that's no longer the primary. And I should say that never was the primary. There was never mission. Listen, this is how, you know, I thinking about it earlier today. When our military went into Iraq to get Saddam Hussein,

MARK HAYES (02:53.952)
No!

Herve Francois (03:06.481)
Our military armor rains, if you guys remember, they had a deck of cards and on this deck of cards was not only Saddam Hussein, but all of his lieutenants or the army, right? All these, these, these, these, these terrorists. And they not only had that, but they also had rules of engagement. What happens in the event that

MARK HAYES (03:18.85)
Mm-hmm, sure.

Herve Francois (03:31.999)
We are engaged. What are our rules? Kind of a thing. And I think the reason why our military had that deck of cards and rules of engagement is because they said, okay, listen, we are here for a mission. And the mission is we have to go ahead and we need to get these people on these cards and everything else like that. What is going on in Minneapolis is the complete opposite of how our troops carried out their mission in Iraq.

And I'm not saying that it didn't happen or did not take place without errors, without mistakes and so on and so forth. But over here, and I was listening to a post from a state senator from Minnesota today who lives in the suburbs of Minneapolis and what she had been describing in regards to how ICE agents are going after immigrants in Minneapolis, in St. Paul. She says, listen, they are not

walking around with a piece of paper with a list of names and addresses of illegal immigrants knocking on their doors, arresting them and deporting. They are not doing that. She said what they have been doing they'll drive around

they'll look into your car if you're driving around, if they see that you are black or brown, they'll go ahead and they'll run your license plate. And if they might suspect, basically racial profiling, if they suspect that you might be illegal simply because of the pronunciation and or spelling of your name, they'll pull you over and ask you questions. There is no rhyme to reason as to whom,

MARK HAYES (05:11.724)
Ha ha.

Herve Francois (05:17.491)
They are pulling over whom they are arresting. They don't know how they're targeting these people. They're just bum rushing people. In the middle of the day, in the middle of the night, which is why we heard that story of that man that got pulled out of his house in the middle of the morning in his underwear and then returned hours later, he was an American citizen.

Why did they target him is because he was from Vietnam. So what I'm saying is that there's not a mission here. And with no mission, there are no rules, there are no laws, and with that, inevitably, your civil rights are going to get stripped. And they will treat you without having any civil rights.

MARK HAYES (05:42.584)
Yep, happening to you all.

MARK HAYES (05:50.774)
No, absolutely not.

Herve Francois (06:10.769)
And this is what happened with Renee Good. This is what happened with Alex Peruti. This is what's happening with the other protesters there. You are getting your civil rights taken away. So for any of you MAGA folks that are in support of what ICE is doing in Minneapolis, okay, but understand this. What happened to Renee Good, what happened to Alex Peruti can happen to any

MARK HAYES (06:20.44)
Yeah, absolutely.

MARK HAYES (06:24.972)
Apple dog.

Herve Francois (06:40.681)
Body doesn't matter if you are an illegal immigrant or not. Does it matter if you are black, brown, white, Asian? Does it matter if you're from the US, if you're from Minnesota or any other state? This can happen to you, your spouse, your kids, your parents. So be careful before applauding. And I'll just leave it here is that now you are beginning to see.

MARK HAYES (06:57.666)
Yeah.

Herve Francois (07:06.799)
As we have seen him do this on many occasions, right? Trump beginning to backpedal. And he's beginning, he's beginning to backpedal.

MARK HAYES (07:13.336)
Got to.

Herve Francois (07:17.765)
on the atrocities that are happening over there because what he's realizing is that for whatever little bit of control he had on this situation he is now losing control. He's losing control where it can hurt its purse strings or their senate democrats are saying hey listen we're not passing a bill if it includes funding for ICE anymore. He is losing on approval ratings across the board on it and he is seeing

MARK HAYES (07:32.11)
you

Herve Francois (07:47.671)
his own citizens, yes there might be Democrats, but he's seeing American citizens, white, blonde hair, the whole nine, getting killed in the middle of the street. And it's all being caught on video. No different than the killing of George Floyd was caught on video. And so when it's on video,

I understand and I always see there's a hundred different interpretations of a video. We all see the same thing. And for Kristi Noem or Stephen Miller to come out and say, Hey, this guy, Alex Peruti is a domestic terrorist when everyone has seen the video. Right? So what's happened is he's lost control.

So now he's forcing the head of border patrol out of Minneapolis. He's sending talk Tom Holman in to meet in with the mayor of Minneapolis because they realize that they've lost control and they lost control. This is what happens when you are trying to do something so damn serious and you've put people in charge that have absolutely no experience nor knowledge in what you're doing.

you are masking, and I'll leave it here, you are masking what you're doing as, we are trying and looking to get rid of illegal immigrants in this country. Bullshit you are. Bullshit you are because you're going into a state that only has 130,000 illegal immigrants before starting in a state like Texas that has 2.2 million.

MARK HAYES (09:36.621)
Missing you.

Herve Francois (09:36.923)
illegal immigrants or a state like Florida that has 1.7 million immigrants, illegal immigrants. And if you want to go and throw a race into it, that there are 500,000 plus undocumented illegal immigrants from Europe living in United States right now. Why aren't you rounding them up?

BROCK GANELES (09:59.748)
Irving, what you said, you said it was a recipe for disaster because you said there's no mission, but yet there's quotas, right? So there's no mission, but people got to hit numbers. So they need to drive around and just, got to, they're adding them up. Got two today, got four, right? They're just running cars off the road, pulling people out saying, oh, you're Brown, I'm taking you in. I don't care if you're a citizen, this, that, and the other thing.

Herve Francois (10:04.725)
There's no mission. That's right.

Right.

Herve Francois (10:16.584)
Right.

Herve Francois (10:21.877)
But then, then then you're not hitting a quota then, right? Because if you if you're if you're you're burmish the guy in the house, you pull him out of his house and then you send him back three hours. Are you accounting that towards a quota? He was an American citizen. Right.

BROCK GANELES (10:24.642)
Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (10:31.363)
I don't know. We don't know how the quotas work. I don't know. I don't know how the bonus system exactly works, but they seem to be incentivized to pull more people in and only let them back out, you know, after they figured out that they're dead wrong with no remorse, right? They're just dropping people back on their doorstep, like in their pajamas. But when you talked about Trump,

Yes, he's lost control, but I don't think Trump's concerned that a couple of people died. I know he's not happy that there was a couple of white people because he knows that that may affect his base. I think Trump's concern that he's lost control of the narrative and the visuals and it's playing against him now. It's not playing well on TV. He doesn't like the TV show that's playing right now because the TV show is showing the video of them.

Herve Francois (11:04.755)
No doubt.

Herve Francois (11:16.284)
Absolutely.

That's right.

BROCK GANELES (11:23.501)
killing an unarmed white person and the commentary is extremely negative and affecting his poll. as usual, I think Trump only worries about what it means to him. There's no way he's shed a tear for Renee Goode. We know that, right? But he shed, but he might shed a tear for his poll numbers going down, right?

Herve Francois (11:25.311)
Right.

Herve Francois (11:30.707)
Yes.

His pulse 100%. No, no, no, no, no, no, not at all. No, no, absolutely not. For his approval ratings. Absolutely, absolutely. He'll shed a tear off for that for a second. you know, I'll never forget, it's interesting you bring that up Brock, because this happened when Martin Luther King was invited to the White House by Lyndon B. Johnson.

MARK HAYES (11:47.682)
That part.

Herve Francois (12:04.105)
And this was after Kennedy was assassinated, right? And the discussion of Civil Rights Act Bill and everything else like that. And at the time, it's because there was it was black and white TV, but it was TV wasn't social media, but it was TV. And what was being shown real time on TV was fire hoses being sprayed amongst black citizens down in Memphis, Tennessee.

And it that amongst other things truly, truly force Lyndon B Johnson to say, we have to do something here or Martin Luther King telling him, hey, listen, this is what's going on in the backyard of your country. This is what people are seeing not only around the country, but around the world. How the hell are you going to get a handle on this?

Right? And again, you had no mission down there in Memphis, Tennessee, with cops just brutalizing, right? The black residents of Memphis, Tennessee and in Alabama and so on and so forth. Right? So like you said, this is when you look at what's going on in Minneapolis, it's almost not war torn, but very war like what's going on.

Right? Just pulling people out of their houses, pulling people out of their cars, pulling people off of the streets with no celebrity. And then, and then on top of that, you have what's going on now that rarely has ever happened in this country that after the killing, especially among a white person and not only one, but two, you have no.

MARK HAYES (13:33.897)
Germany.

Herve Francois (13:53.137)
investigation going on. Like, hold on. Wait a minute. Yes, very sad that Renee Goode got shot and killed. Very sad that Alex Perrude got shot and killed. But we're not going to investigate. We're not going to have due process. We're not going to collect evidence. We're not going to interview the shooter. We're not. Hold on. Hold on. Because now we're third world country like.

BROCK GANELES (14:13.687)
We don't know the shooter is on the second one. We don't know the shooter is yet on the second one.

MARK HAYES (14:16.664)
Yeah, they told us. That chat 11 times.

Herve Francois (14:20.085)
They know who the shooter is. They are not sharing. Yes, they know. They're not sharing it. And this is a huge problem. Now you're not even allowing a legal process to go through. You go outside of your house if there is a police-involved shooting, and it could be a rightful shooting. There's still an investigation done.

BROCK GANELES (14:23.521)
Vingo! Ice knows! Yeah!

We don't know.

Herve Francois (14:47.207)
Right? If anything, just to clear the police officer. And then if it's wrongful death, well, then the court process plays itself out. This is not even getting played out.

MARK HAYES (14:54.744)
Well, Herb and A, they've already said that these were rightful, righteous shoots without even finishing the investigation. Right. I agree with you wholeheartedly. But they think they can jump the wagon and create the process that they think is right. Yeah. Now, here's what Brock and I were talking about yesterday, and I kind of pushed him into this.

Herve Francois (15:01.139)
But that doesn't mean an investigation shouldn't take place.

You know what saying? Yeah.

Herve Francois (15:16.457)
They're narrative. That's right. That's right.

MARK HAYES (15:24.37)
is the mirror between what's happening now and the civil rights movement. Because I sent Brock a clip today. Brock, did you see my Senator Mike Maguire clip where he got emotional on the floor? I don't know if you saw it, Irvay. Yeah. Okay, so Mike Maguire seems to understand that racial profiling is wrong. Now, Irvay, you're from New Jersey.

Herve Francois (15:30.228)
Mm.

BROCK GANELES (15:36.323)
Yeah!

Herve Francois (15:40.273)
I did. I watched it. I did. I did. Brock sent it to me. Yep.

Herve Francois (15:54.101)
Mm-hmm.

MARK HAYES (15:54.511)
I'm sure you're familiar with a stretch of roadway called the New Jersey Turnpike, where federal authorities, Brock, had to step in in the 80s because of the number of African Americans that were being pulled over on the Jersey Turnpike in such ridiculous numbers compared to their white counterparts that the New Jersey State Police had to be monitored by federal authorities.

Herve Francois (15:59.869)
Of course.

BROCK GANELES (16:09.324)
and pulled over.

Herve Francois (16:18.815)
Mm-hmm.

MARK HAYES (16:24.256)
So that was a result of racial profiling 40 years ago. Okay, Mike McGuire just seems to be coming around to the fact that racial profiling is wrong when this young boy who had his Spider-Man backpack on was used as bait was the same age as his kid. Now, it's interesting that he's

Herve Francois (16:27.337)
That's right.

Herve Francois (16:31.039)
That's right.

Herve Francois (16:44.595)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

MARK HAYES (16:53.684)
now able to put his child in the shoes of that particular child, but hasn't been able to do it for African Americans. And that's what that's what is slowing down the pace of a black Americans, in my opinion, jumping on board the resistance. Irving, you may have a different. You may have a different.

Herve Francois (17:02.005)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Herve Francois (17:20.085)
I agree 100%. no I don't. No, I do not. I agree with your perspective wholeheartedly. I will sum up everything you just said. I'll sum up everything you just said in four.

MARK HAYES (17:23.48)
respective.

MARK HAYES (17:31.124)
Cough cough

BROCK GANELES (17:38.915)
Come a little closer to your mic. Yeah. Yeah

MARK HAYES (17:42.166)
Yeah. Yep.

Herve Francois (17:42.261)
Okay, can you hear me? Sorry. I will sum up everything Mark you just said in four easy words. I told you so. This has been shit that has been going on for decades. Well before...

MARK HAYES (17:51.247)
Right.

Herve Francois (18:01.439)
Cameras on cell phones well before, social media and everything else like that, right? They ignored it, they put it off. And let's be real, Mark, when it did happen to black and brown folk, they would always say, well, we were the aggressors. It was our fault.

MARK HAYES (18:17.154)
us comply.

Herve Francois (18:18.973)
Think about the Rodney King verdict one guy versus 10. Well, he was acting up. You know, he was he was enraged and everything else like that. Right. So they always put of course, a white kid that it well, he must be mentally unstable and all this other stuff. But when a black or brown person does it, then they are the aggressor. They're the ones that weren't listening. They got what they deserved and everything else like that. Right. And what we do, we will hit the streets. We will protest.

We would write letters and a lot of times fall on deaf ears and they wouldn't listen to us, right? We had to have black lives matter to try to bring even more attention to the cause and a lot of attention was brought to the cause not only amongst other black people in this country but also white people in this country and around the world because of what they saw in that video for eight minutes with that officer's knee on the neck of George Floyd, right? But now when they see that this is happening

in their own neighborhoods. When this, the killings are happening to their own. And it's again, very sad. I don't wish death upon anyone. And I'm not happy that Renee Good or Alex Prudy killed. don't, I'm not happy that they were white, regardless of the race. If Alex Prudy and Renee Good were black, I'd have the same sadness today that I had when I found out. Right? The same rage. Don't doubt about it. But when

MARK HAYES (19:28.011)
anyone at all.

MARK HAYES (19:37.151)
inks.

MARK HAYES (19:41.794)
same rage.

Herve Francois (19:47.985)
It does happen to them. The very few times that it does and it's caught on national TV in the middle of the day, the cameras on people's phones. Brock, like you said, it's now gotten out of control. You have congressmen and senators say, I have a five year old kid. And it's what I'm saying. This could happen to you. This is why civil rights wasn't a black

MARK HAYES (20:13.859)
Mm-hmm.

Herve Francois (20:17.863)
cause. It's a human cause. Civil liberties. And the moment that your civil liberties are trampled upon, the moment that you don't have protection of your civil liberties, anything and typically everything will happen. And there's no stoppage of it.

Right. And this is why when Trump said last week or a couple of weeks ago, pretty much my limitations are dictated by my moralities. Right. I mean, if he didn't have any morals and I'm not ever going to use him as opposed to child of morality.

MARK HAYES (20:57.336)
Mm.

MARK HAYES (21:05.25)
Ha ha.

Herve Francois (21:05.833)
But let's say he did not ask for the head of Customs Border Patrol to leave, right? Bonzino, I think is his last name, I forgot his first name, right? But Bovino, right? Let's say Tom Holman, the head of ICE, was not being sent to Minneapolis to meet with the mayor of Minneapolis and so on and so forth, right? I mean, at some point it's like, how does this end?

MARK HAYES (21:15.586)
Yeah, Bovino. Greg Bovino.

BROCK GANELES (21:16.759)
for being.

Herve Francois (21:35.517)
Because that means tomorrow there could be another Rene Good, mother of three.

BROCK GANELES (21:38.85)
Yeah, well, want to jump in because the question I was going to ask is going to ask you first, Mark. It's like, what's really changed? OK, we're shifting the desk chairs and the Titanic. OK, Bovino's out. We're all happy about that. Tom Homan's a raging fucking racist also, so he's stepping in. What is Trump unhappy about? He's not unhappy and Stephen Miller unhappy about? Not that people are getting rounded up indiscriminately.

Herve Francois (21:42.569)
Sure.

MARK HAYES (21:53.58)
Huge.

Herve Francois (22:00.937)
No.

BROCK GANELES (22:01.225)
just did a couple white people got caught on video getting shot so yeah my take is like the only mandate is hey stop killing white people on video everything else continues because i saw a bunch of clips today they look just as shitty as they were 48 hours ago so nothing's really changed in the way ice functions so

Herve Francois (22:03.987)
It's on video, that's the thing.

MARK HAYES (22:14.894)
Terrible. Terrible.

Herve Francois (22:16.967)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (22:24.673)
We just had a couple pauses where we all stopped to watch maybe a couple people get carted away in body bags. So.

Herve Francois (22:24.821)
But the killings not gonna stop.

Herve Francois (22:31.699)
The killing's not gonna stop. The killing's not gonna stop. the public, the protestors, they are dealing with, they are being confronted by these agents that are completely just not trained. At a minimum, my brother's an ex-police officer, and everyone's heard about it. The concept of de-escalation. I promise you.

In the 47 days of training that these ice agents are going under, they are not getting trained in de-escalation. It's not.

BROCK GANELES (23:03.647)
It's not a part of the mission. What does deescalation have to do with hitting their quotas? They have quotas. They're not being told to like play by the rules that the police force plays by. They gotta hit their numbers.

Herve Francois (23:08.723)
Well, it? Right.

Herve Francois (23:15.773)
Right, right. And if you're not being trained in de-escalation, there's a good chance another white person or someone else is gonna get killed. Right. Well, and, right, right. And so that's why.

MARK HAYES (23:17.848)
Mm-hmm.

BROCK GANELES (23:23.863)
Yeah, why would they be trained in de-escalation? It's not what they're out there for. They're trained in intimidation, if they're even trained in that. But they're just given big guns, so the intimidation comes pretty naturally. Right, when somebody's got an AK-47 cruising down the street, and there's 10 of them, they've kind of accomplished the intimidation part.

MARK HAYES (23:28.792)
Right, is the point.

Herve Francois (23:35.957)
100%.

Herve Francois (23:40.201)
Right.

Herve Francois (23:46.389)
Well, it's interesting you bring that up, right? Now, it's interesting you bring that up, Brock, because now who you hearing criticism coming from? Whoa, wait a minute about these Second Amendment guys. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, hey, I got my concealed carry. I'm allowed to go to a protest.

with my concealed carry like Kyle Rittenhouse did. I'm allowed to have my gun in my waistband because I got my legal concealed carry permit. Because you had the head of the district attorney general, one of the attorney generals of the United States came out and said, hey, if a person shows up to a protest with a gun,

then the authorities, ICE, CPB, they have the right to arrest that person and take him away. So all of sudden, Second Amendment critics like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on for a second. I got a license concealed carry here. That's not the law that I show up to a protest and you're allowed to arrest me because I'm, because I'm carrying with my concealed carry permit. Hold on, hold on. And I'm a MAGA guy, right? So

MARK HAYES (24:43.829)
okay.

MARK HAYES (24:52.206)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (24:57.888)
No.

BROCK GANELES (25:03.905)
Yeah. Well, arresting someone is at the low end, right? There's, you know, now the discussion is whether they can just be shot by the authorities. And by the way, Trump yet again today was making some anti-gun comments, like, you can't have guns, you can't show up with guns, like, huh? Whoa, wait a second, that's your core. So happy that they've tripped over themselves on this one, but it's just another, another right that's getting thrown out the door, right? Now it's...

MARK HAYES (25:04.226)
Hey!

Herve Francois (25:05.265)
So, right.

MARK HAYES (25:11.394)
Just be killing you, right?

Herve Francois (25:12.563)
That's right.

MARK HAYES (25:16.59)
Doubling down.

Herve Francois (25:21.205)
Whoa, whoa, whoa, hey, don't now. Hold on now. Right.

MARK HAYES (25:21.571)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (25:28.151)
all the time.

Herve Francois (25:31.643)
Absolutely, no different than the right to free speech. Second Amendment, right.

BROCK GANELES (25:33.134)
First Amendment, Second Amendment, Fourth Amendment, 10th, there's a few others in there that have been thrown out. But okay, but if things don't change and Tom Homan's just a different face on it for now, and maybe he won't wear Nazi garb, so he won't be as bad as Bovino, you know, maybe he's a little bit more polished than Bovino and not that stupid.

Herve Francois (25:39.593)
Yeah, yeah.

MARK HAYES (26:00.558)
Well...

BROCK GANELES (26:00.777)
I that might be the only change because...

Herve Francois (26:01.575)
Whoop.

My thing is at what point do you go back on mission? Right? And maybe like I said before, there wasn't a mission. There was, we're going to go into the streets of Minneapolis and we're just going to harass the shit out of people. Right? Because it's a blue city, blue state. Go ahead. Yep.

MARK HAYES (26:19.298)
Irving, Irving. Right, how about the $64,000 question here? What is the fucking solution? Like Brock and I lamented yesterday, there's nobody to call. We got President Clinton, President Obama making strong statements, asking Americans to speak out. Speak out to whom? Who are we supposed to call? The cavalry is not coming because...

And Brock, you might remember my phrasing there, when tyranny becomes law, what is it? Revolution becomes mandatory. It becomes duty. So, like, we're trying to figure out when the rest of America is gonna get woke and say, you know what, enough of this. Let's shut down DC. Let's gum up the works.

Herve Francois (27:00.883)
Yeah. Yeah.

MARK HAYES (27:18.702)
And let's get this guy out of here. Because we can't wait till the midterm. You know how far away the midterms are? We'll be 89 by the time the midterms.

Herve Francois (27:21.097)
Yeah.

Herve Francois (27:26.325)
It feels like that. It feels so...

BROCK GANELES (27:30.82)
No, I'm with you, Marco. You're saying like, I'll impeach Kristi Noem. Who gives a fuck? There'll just be another Kristi Noem right behind her. Yeah, we're all sick of her. We'd be happy to see her get hers and get kicked out of there. We're sick of her lies, but whatever. The person who would take over the job would still be implementing the Project 2025 White Supremacy Movement initiatives.

MARK HAYES (27:35.138)
shit right.

Herve Francois (27:35.443)
Yeah, no, I don't know what that means. I didn't know that was a possibility. Yeah.

Herve Francois (27:43.517)
Yay!

Herve Francois (27:49.397)
The problem is she's all she.

his policies 100 % 100 % that's right.

That's right. She's just a figurehead. She is just a talking piece. She is just a figurehead. And they specifically wanted a white woman in that job so the white supremacists can go ahead and they can parade her out. You see, hey, look, we told you so. And she's going to go out there and she's going to talk those talker points and everything else like that. And then what's going to happen to her inevitably, what white supremacists do all the time, they're going to throw her out to the wolves. Right?

BROCK GANELES (27:59.542)
It comes from the top.

Herve Francois (28:28.759)
They're gonna need, because they're gonna need, heads to roll, right? We know finger pointing time, heads to roll. He calls her into his office today. Who knows what was said and so on and so forth. So she'll be the first one to go, but that doesn't mean that the agenda's gonna change in regards to whomever they would bring in to replace her. The agenda's gonna go ahead and it's going to continue. But let's just remember, this agenda, this mission, this is not a focus on getting illegal immigrants out.

of the country. This is a focus on specifically getting black and brown folk out of the country. That's all this is. You're not targeting the 500,000 illegal European immigrants in this country. You're not targeting illegal immigrants in a Republican state like Texas that has more illegal immigrants than any other state in our union or another red state like Florida that ranks third. Right?

MARK HAYES (29:28.45)
Right?

Herve Francois (29:28.599)
California is up there, California might be next, we'll see. Gavin Yusin may have something to say about that. Everyone stand at the ready. this allows them, the Stephen Middles of the world, the Kristi Norms of the world, the Tom Holmans of the world, to go out there and flex their muscles without rules, without laws, stomping on people's civil liberties to no end.

When that happens, unfortunately, you wind up having the results of the sad deaths of a Renee Goode and Alex Peruti.

BROCK GANELES (30:07.063)
Mark asked the question, what's the solution? Maybe before we get to that, the interim question that I asked Mark yesterday and then pontificated on probably for far too long is, you a step closer to joining white people on the streets after seeing Renee Good and Alice Prady get shot in broad daylight?

Herve Francois (30:15.569)
Okay.

Herve Francois (30:22.459)
No, no, I knew you were gonna ask me no, no, no, no, no, no fucking way.

NFW no fucking way no no fucking way and you've been asking me this for a year and I appreciate you asking me every goddamn time I come because you're hoping that I'm going to change my answer or the the next time that I show up and the answer is still no fucking way no fucking no no because listen let me tell you something right now folk and mark will not understand what I'm talking about folk gotta feel it and I'm not talking about this because I'm not a person who who supports violence but folk gotta feel it what am I talking about I'm not talking about feeling

BROCK GANELES (30:38.306)
I

BROCK GANELES (30:41.921)
not even a step closer.

Herve Francois (30:58.807)
killings. I'm talking about feeling of your rights getting stripped away, right? And so what you start to hear, you start hearing Hollywood speak up, you start hearing athletes speak up, now you're hearing politicians on Trump's side beginning to speak up. Rand Paul wants to have the head of ICE and the head of CPB in front in DC for congressional hearings and so on and so forth.

Right? Because these guys are having their now their shit moment that many of us had more back in the sixties. So I'm not going to jump into this fight. Right? I'll support the struggle and I'll support the hustle. Right? But I got to do it from the goddamn sidelines. I got to do it from the damn sidelines because I know what they're trying to do.

MARK HAYES (31:50.284)
Well... Aunt Earthly!

Herve Francois (31:55.453)
Right? And everyone thought this shit could be done peacefully. we're just gonna walk into Minneapolis and we're gonna go into people's houses and cars and take away illegal immigrants and we're gonna see the crime rate decline. The crime rate's not declining and you're not getting rid of the illegal immigrants. Fuck that. Because that's not what this shit is about. That's why I'm not gonna enter this fight.

MARK HAYES (32:13.876)
No, sir. And I told Brock, now I told Brock the other day, I said, Brock, if they're killing good, yeah, I told Brock, said, if they're killing good white folks, what are they gonna do to me? Right? with the quickness and never be heard from again, you know? And Brock, that is the issue, right? Because we have already had our rights.

Herve Francois (32:20.361)
But appreciate the ask.

Herve Francois (32:28.581)
yeah, yeah, please. Y'all, you're gonna disappear. They'll ship you off. Yeah, they'll ship you off. Yeah, no, F that. Yeah, no. I'm telling you, man.

Yeah.

MARK HAYES (32:43.982)
trampled on. I mean, I hate to sound like a broken record, but look, I mean, we can't acquire and accumulate wealth, right? We can't get money for business loans, struggle to have to get money for a mortgage, right? Make us jump through all kinds of hoops. know, Brock, there is no worse feeling than being followed through a department store. When you have a wallet,

Herve Francois (32:45.237)
That's right.

Herve Francois (33:10.805)
We've all had it happen to us. Yeah.

MARK HAYES (33:13.87)
When you have a wallet that you can pay for whatever you'd like out of that store within reason, right? And I don't stop at, I don't shop at Neiman's and Saks and all that. So I can, usually when I'm in Macy's, I'm within my budget. So, you know, but there is no worse feeling than being made to feel like you were less than. And that country has done that to us for a long, long time.

long for us to say, all right, we're going to take a chance now. See, white folks made this mess, right? White folks got to clean it up.

Herve Francois (33:56.201)
They voted for this. As much as the things that are disparaging and horrible things that we may want to say about Donald Trump, people voted for this. They voted for him. And with him comes a, all he is is a conduit. For many folks, what's happening in Minneapolis, they feel that this makes them more American. This is the path that we need to go through.

MARK HAYES (34:00.041)
Ahem.

Herve Francois (34:26.315)
in order to make America great again. And we know it's not making America any greater. It is unraveling and it is uncovering the essence of who we are. At its core, it's who we are. Founded on violence. Take things on violence. Good, continue to go on and then you're going now to start killing your own.

MARK HAYES (34:41.739)
and have good

MARK HAYES (34:56.142)
Did I say that?

Herve Francois (34:56.351)
violence.

BROCK GANELES (34:57.185)
Now, but are you impressed with the people of Minneapolis so far?

MARK HAYES (35:02.1)
Absolutely.

Herve Francois (35:02.121)
What? I'm not sure what you mean by that. You mean talk about the protesters? yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, I'm so, good, listen, I've been all supportive of the people of Minneapolis. I'm sitting over there. Yeah, go out there, protest peacefully, protest your rob night, ask for anyone to throw fire bombs to those ICE officers and everything else. I would recommend every single one of those protesters.

BROCK GANELES (35:06.081)
Yeah, the protesters, yeah, the people, the people of Minneapolis.

MARK HAYES (35:06.999)
It is.

Hell yeah!

Herve Francois (35:26.899)
to wear a face mask just like those ICE officers are because now the ICE officers are taking pictures of people running them through facial recognition software. Cool. Then go ahead and wear your face mask just like the January 6 protesters did when they stormed the Capitol.

MARK HAYES (35:32.878)
Mm-hmm.

MARK HAYES (35:39.938)
Yep. Yep.

Herve Francois (35:42.101)
Put your own dog on face mask on if you're gonna be out there protesting in the streets of Minneapolis. Don't do stuff illegal, peacefully protest, but put your face mask off. If anything, you prevent freaking tear gas from getting up your damn nose in your mouth and everything else like that. So yes, I'm glad they are protesting. They should be protesting. They want them out. The mayor wants them out. The government wants them out. The religious leaders, they want them out. The CEOs of Target and other Minnesota based Fortune 500

companies. They're now speaking up. Hey, hey, hey, whoa, whoa, hold on. This is too much. This is not who we are. Hmm, I beg to differ. Hmm, I beg to differ. This is who we are. Don't call yourself an American because of it. Call yourself something else.

MARK HAYES (36:22.36)
Yeah, is. Yeah, it is. You know, and...

BROCK GANELES (36:22.369)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah.

MARK HAYES (36:33.462)
and brought me, like, so, you know, I think that.

You know, we need to do a better job of saying to white, see, but again, the white folk that caused this Brock are not in your silo, right? They're not in your friend group. They're not people that you have influence over. And if they were, you wouldn't have influence over them because we've all seen that these folks are still rocking with Trump.

Herve Francois (36:52.799)
That's true. That's true. That's That's true.

MARK HAYES (37:10.2)
They still think what he's, there's 38 % of the people that think his immigration deal is a good deal. Thinks he's doing the right thing. What the fuck is that? Right, like infringing and ripping away Americans' rights. Like who had that on their bingo card at the turn of the century, at the millennium, at 2000, right? Nobody had that on their fucking, who had Donald Trump becoming president?

Herve Francois (37:10.389)
Mmm.

Herve Francois (37:16.977)
Mm-hmm.

MARK HAYES (37:39.265)
in 2000 on their bingo card. Absolutely nobody with a brain, especially nobody that grew up in the tri-state area like we did. So, you know, when we look and we say, white America, you need to fix this. You white women, you, so I still have yet to hear a white woman articulate her support for Donald Trump that made any sense because women,

were the ones that were having their rights taken away. Women who now they're trying to legislate where you're gonna have to use your mate name or else you won't be able to vote? Like what? Like this country is literally going backwards. Are we gonna go back to a time when women couldn't have credit cards? Is that what's happening now? Like what are we doing? Like how are people?

looking each other themselves in the mirror in the face and saying this makes good sense because the rest of the world is fucking laughing at us and you know, what is what is China and India coming up with some super deal for trade

Herve Francois (38:57.065)
Mmm. That's right. That's right. That's right.

BROCK GANELES (38:57.153)
Well, China and Canada are certainly doing a deal and India and the EU are doing a big deal. So I guess our auto companies are shitting a brick because China is about to do a deal with Canada and they'll import their cars into Canada. So yeah, guess economic pain is what's going to hit.

MARK HAYES (38:59.384)
shining can, they're doing the damn thing.

Indian EU, there it is.

Done.

Herve Francois (39:10.331)
Absolutely, But you know...

Herve Francois (39:15.931)
And Mark, here's the thing. The. You know. Because, you know, because the Constitution is we have to have elections every four years and everything else like that. Right, and we have our midterms and stuff like that. You know, those are. Call it, if you will, the guardrails that have.

of impact on Trump, right? And what I mean by that is if he were a president for life, right?

always going to be elected squashes his competitors like Putin does and he don't even know why they have presidential elections in Russia to be honest. It's just like what's the damn point of having any time someone tries to go up against the guy he disappears, you know, eat some poison and it gets thrown off a bridge. Helicopter gets blown up and all this other stuff. And the thing is like, let's say this dis was Russia, right? Where troops are going into a city that killing their own citizens.

and everything else like that, right? Putin wouldn't have to care.

He wouldn't have to care about the results of any kind of upcoming midterm elections in nine months from now or the presidential election and make sure it stays within a party, right? In the year 2028 and everything else like that. He'd be like, okay. All my own citizens are getting killed. Who gives a damn? Right. But that's what we have here. And like you said before, Trump watches his approval ratings. He obviously cares, right? He cares about the money when they say, okay, listen, you know, we're going to threaten to, you

MARK HAYES (40:44.75)
I'm

MARK HAYES (40:53.826)
Hell yeah.

Herve Francois (40:59.983)
close the government if any of this funding includes funding for ICE agents again and everything. Jesus Christ, you just cut them hundred billion dollar check July of last year. And so, got Kristi Noem singles because they got funded in the big BS bill July of last year, then regular constitutional laws don't apply to ICE agents. What the fuck does that even mean? And this is what happens when you put inexperience

MARK HAYES (41:27.758)
You

Herve Francois (41:29.853)
people in position of power when they don't know what the fuck they're even talking about. Right? That's not how laws are changed by a budget bill. Right? Laws don't get changed in a budget bill, but she doesn't know that. Right? So this is the kind of shit that I'm talking about. And so when you asked earlier, what's the solution? What's got to change? Right? There's not going to be one, you know, fell swoop of an axe.

MARK HAYES (41:35.202)
That's a joke.

Herve Francois (41:57.981)
This is going to take a thousand cuts, death by a thousand cuts. Brock, like, you you used to work on Wall Street, right? We see a stock falling, you know, selling off, not selling off hard, but day by day, little by little and everything else like that. And that's what's going to have to happen here. But the way it's going to have to happen here is not by...

even more residents of Minnesota coming out to protest, and I encourage that, but that's not going to have him change his mind. It's when his own political supporters in the House and in the Senate, when they start saying, wait a minute, this has gone overboard. This is too much. The New York Post had to put out an editorial piece today that came out and said,

This is not what people vote. These videos look bad. Hey, if this wasn't, hey, right, hey, if this wasn't caught on camera, keep on doing what you're Yeah, keep on doing what you're doing.

BROCK GANELES (42:51.265)
Yeah, videos look bad.

It's only the videos. It's only the videos. Rovino got fired. Rovino got fired because he allowed the killings to happen on video. That was his only... That's the only thing he did wrong. Everything else he did... Everything else they're fine with.

MARK HAYES (43:02.606)
I'll be there.

Herve Francois (43:02.663)
On video, that's the thing. That's the thing. That's the thing, right?

So what's it gonna do next? It's start taking away people's cell phones or you're not allowed to show up to protest with your cell phones. Right now you say we can't show up to protest with guns. What's next? We can't show up to the protest with our cell phones, right? Like again, the trampling of our rights and so on and so forth, right? So these are the things that I'm talking about. That is gonna have that, I don't know if it's a solution as to a dilution.

MARK HAYES (43:14.126)
Yeah.

Herve Francois (43:34.613)
and a slowing down of it happening. I'm not gonna sit here and call it a solution, but it's gonna be your people, folks that have paid for you to get to where you've gotten to, folks that have supported you, your Republican congressmen and senators, they're start calling you out and like, hey, we don't like what we're seeing. Because everyone else around you in your administration, they're just talking heads. You had the damn Secretary of Treasury

MARK HAYES (44:01.955)
Yeah.

Herve Francois (44:04.607)
and the Secretary of Transportation come out and said, yeah, well, it's Renee Good's fault that she got killed. Alex Perrude was a domestic terrorist. What the fuck does Scott Bennett know about what the fuck is going on in the streets of Minneapolis? You're a goddamn Treasury Secretary. Shut the fuck up and stay in your lane.

BROCK GANELES (44:18.147)
Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, they all view themselves as working for Trump first and the country second. I mean, least the senators and congressmen on the MAGA side do have voters that they may be a little bit worried about if things get so bad that even their seat can get hot. Because supposedly Ted Cruz even said some shit to Trump about like, tone this shit down, you know.

Herve Francois (44:26.047)
That's my thing. That's the thing.

Herve Francois (44:38.292)
Yeah!

Of course, they're all says again because because the folks that are getting

BROCK GANELES (44:44.673)
because it's making their lives a little more uncomfortable. Is there anything a white leader can say to you right now that...

Herve Francois (44:48.179)
The folks that are getting killed look like them.

BROCK GANELES (44:57.783)
would have an impact on where you stand.

MARK HAYES (44:59.854)
I mean, they could say something that, I mean, it'll never happen, but they would have to tell us, they'd have to guarantee us that we're gonna have a reckoning on race when this is all said and done. And we are going to come to the table with tangible solutions to systemic racism. Everything from the prison industrial complex to our ability to acquire and accumulate wealth.

Herve Francois (45:04.447)
No.

Herve Francois (45:27.123)
Mark, didn't we have that a little bit five years ago, god damn it? Didn't we have a little bit of reckoning?

MARK HAYES (45:30.976)
Yeah, but it was never implemented. People put the money aside and said it was gonna be used for that and it never was.

Herve Francois (45:37.781)
It never was right good maybe it's so and if it never was maybe there was never really Maybe there was never and maybe it was never any intention for that money to be put to work as it was right right

MARK HAYES (45:42.038)
It's back in circulation now. That money's back in circulation.

MARK HAYES (45:49.63)
Hello. Hello.

Herve Francois (45:51.517)
Like the $2 billion that Clinton and Bush raised to fix Haiti after the earthquake in 2012 and not a penny was spent towards fixing up any of the damage caused by it. So the money's raised, but not ever put to work. The affirmative action, DEI, went into fucking 20th gear after the killing of George Floyd. got 40 % have this in Hollywood and all the different industries.

MARK HAYES (46:01.369)
way.

MARK HAYES (46:18.669)
Woof!

Herve Francois (46:18.717)
And then folks started waking up said, no, no, no, no, we don't like this. This is not what we want. No, not at all. Not at all. And.

BROCK GANELES (46:26.795)
All right, well, Mark, you me something tangible. Irve, would you be on board with that? like, just if you heard someone who kind of came out with like, whatever, a 10 point plan and how they're going to instigate a racial reckoning if they were put in charge. know, true policies against issues.

MARK HAYES (46:27.062)
All right, gentlemen.

Herve Francois (46:32.519)
On board with what?

MARK HAYES (46:33.58)
Good luck.

Herve Francois (46:50.601)
Well, that's what I was going to say. I would have to see their actions behind their words because words like those are just they fall real shallow.

Right? Because, Mark, you know what I'm talking about? Been here, done that. And seen that shit. I know how this movie ends. You all talk a good talk and you say some good stuff. Right? Let me see action if he can come into place right now and stuff like that. you know, look, I welcome it, Right? If that's going to ease you a little bit, I'll welcome it. I'll gladly, I'll gladly listen to it.

BROCK GANELES (47:23.619)
It's not going to ease me. It's not going to ease me. I'm looking for it. I want someone to do it. I think it would be politically, I think it would be politically advantageous, but I'm sure most candidates think it would be politically risky.

Herve Francois (47:28.487)
Right?

MARK HAYES (47:29.326)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (47:35.128)
Well, it's not politically expedient.

MARK HAYES (47:41.407)
Exactly.

BROCK GANELES (47:42.456)
But I'd love to see like a JB Pritzker like lay out a plan. I'm not a huge Pritzker guy. I don't think we'll get it from Newsome. know, even Rudy Jedge, I think has a chip missing in the way Bernie Sanders does on race. So I don't know who the person would be.

Herve Francois (47:49.845)
I think, I think.

Herve Francois (47:57.991)
I think there needs to be a coalesce man. Look, we talked about this a little bit, you know, last year, I think Mark, you had asked me, know, everybody, what do you think is going to have to happen? I like it's all going to have to blow up. Right. And we're beginning to see this blow up right on these streets of Minneapolis. And let's see what cities they rotate to next. Right. After Minneapolis and everything, because they're not stopping.

MARK HAYES (48:15.736)
Okay, stop.

BROCK GANELES (48:24.887)
Yeah. Well, that means the economy is going to have to crash.

Herve Francois (48:29.097)
But well, well, and if not that, and I'm not hoping for that at all kind of a thing, but I mean, it's an economic boycott, but on a nationwide basis where people have said enough is enough is enough. Right. And it has to be economic boycotts. It has to be widespread, continuous week after week protests of people coming out, even in cities where there are not,

agents and say no, that's it. will. Hey, Mr. and Mrs. Congressman and senators, this will impact how you do in these upcoming midterm elections. We will vote you out, right? I think it would have to take things like that, right? Not just the residents in Minneapolis, you know, standing up. It has to be freaking widespread. It has to be a movement, right? And movements are not just one city.

BROCK GANELES (49:11.096)
Mm-hmm.

Herve Francois (49:28.951)
It has to be freaking widespread. But in order for that to happen, folks gotta get frustrated. And they have to get so upset that, yeah, you know what? And this is what I said last time. I have my job. I have my schooling.

I'm still unhappy as to what is going on in this country. have to stay something. I can't sit here idly and not do or say anything. Does that happen?

MARK HAYES (49:52.803)
horrific.

BROCK GANELES (49:56.503)
We're here.

MARK HAYES (50:00.065)
Right. Hey Brock. Right. Hey Brock, you got a quick hit for me before we get out of here? I got dinner getting cold right here. I'm going to start eating on you guys in a

BROCK GANELES (50:08.675)
I'm

Herve Francois (50:08.965)
ha ha ha. Well, you're gonna start eating up, man. Eat up,

BROCK GANELES (50:12.291)
So you're not gonna be happy when I say I got two of them, but they're quick. Number one, speaking of artists who make a statement, Neil Young has pulled all his music off of Amazon and says he will not have it on there again. Of course, you remember Neil Young who went and wrote Four Dead in Iowa within a day of the shooting at Kent State. That guy's old school. And he gave his music for free to Greenland.

MARK HAYES (50:15.189)
Herve Francois (50:25.821)
Mmm. Mmm.

MARK HAYES (50:26.301)
thought you were going to say Spotify. OK.

Herve Francois (50:35.559)
Mmm. Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (50:40.995)
That guy walks the walk with the best of them. So I wanted to do the shout out for you, Leon. Speaking of wanting people with platforms to make statements, please, we need more of it. We haven't had enough of it. It's one of the things we have not had enough of in 2025. Need to change in 2026. A little bit, Glenn Close was out. Like you're saying, more Hollywood people are starting to speak up. But on something that hits home a little bit more, having been banned by TikTok.

MARK HAYES (50:41.026)
Nice.

no doubt. Love you.

Herve Francois (51:00.095)
Yes.

BROCK GANELES (51:10.999)
TikTok that was the old TikTok ownership banned us the Chinese ownership. Now it's owned by right-wing MAGA lovers and apparently in the first week.

Herve Francois (51:19.253)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (51:22.955)
the algorithms changed already and you couldn't like search have Epstein or ice in your headings and they were filtering and basically censoring all kinds of postings. A lot of people on Tik Tok have gotten off and apparently a lot of people have deleted the app in the first week. The company, of course, blamed it on the power outage as if the power outage has something to do with the algorithms. Like, come on, how dumb, how dumb do they think we are? But anyway, apparently

Herve Francois (51:31.984)
Waaah

MARK HAYES (51:41.676)
Nice.

MARK HAYES (51:52.078)
Hey piss on us and tell us it's raining.

BROCK GANELES (51:52.822)
Apparently TikTok has taken a negative hit on its user base since this new ownership has taken over because people have noticed weird shit going on in their feeds and their inability to both access information and create content with certain keywords and they're just not buying the fact that it had to do with the cold weather.

Herve Francois (51:54.757)
Right, right, right.

Herve Francois (51:59.261)
Mmm.

Herve Francois (52:20.853)
No different than CBS News, right? Major decline in viewership on a year over year basis down by 25 % year over year.

MARK HAYES (52:23.403)
Exactly.

MARK HAYES (52:28.92)
Who's going to watch that Dacople character who's married to Katie Tur, who are undercover MAGA people? I mean, it's a joke. Speaking of people making statements, Michael Cohen fired by Midas Touch. Midas Touch doesn't need you. He was let go because he was alleging that he was coerced by Letitia James into testifying against Donald Trump. Now,

Herve Francois (52:36.309)
It's sad thing, sad thing.

Herve Francois (52:43.797)
Mmm, what for?

MARK HAYES (52:58.156)
We all remember this man went to prison for Trump and was pissed about it, right? And then he comes back out now and Lev Parnas, Lev Parnas meant, I don't know, people are still talking to Lev Parnas. I would not be telling Lev Parnas anything. Lev Parnas will tell it all. Lev Parnas says that Michael Cohen approached him and said, hey, if we can find something big enough, we can go to Trump and get back in his good graces and blow, you know, a story up.

Herve Francois (53:01.181)
Right? Right?

Herve Francois (53:14.559)
Mm-hmm.

MARK HAYES (53:28.046)
So here's Michael Cohen, you know, doing a 180, right? Trying to get back into MAGA world. And are we surprised? Right now, Brock, I know you've said, you know, I'm always looking at these, these, you know, MAGA turned good guys, you know, with the side eye, you know, and Michael Cohen is the perfect example of why we should always be wary. Gotta be. Must need the money.

Herve Francois (53:40.105)
Hmm.

BROCK GANELES (53:46.605)
Yeah.

He must need the money, right? He lives on Fifth Avenue. He must like, he must need the money. No one's hiring him as a lawyer anymore. He just, he must need the money. So he's like...

MARK HAYES (53:57.987)
Right, he can't work. Where's he gonna work?

Herve Francois (54:00.905)
So he's trying to get back into good graces with Trump right now, basically.

BROCK GANELES (54:04.259)
Because it pays, because a lot of money flows through the chump, you know, crony capitalism ecosystem. Get involved in a crypto thing here or there and all of a sudden you got an extra couple million in your bank account.

Herve Francois (54:10.933)
$3 billion, the $3 billion last year to the family.

MARK HAYES (54:12.8)
And remember, remember...

MARK HAYES (54:19.628)
No doubt. And remember, you know, Michael Cohen is used to living the high life. You know, he was deep, deep up in the criminal. Yeah. And he was all up in the criminal game with Trump. So they were paid off their crime in and now not so much. It seems to have dried up. So, Urbe, you've got some homework.

Herve Francois (54:24.894)
Mmm.

BROCK GANELES (54:27.779)
He's an up-re-side, up-re-side guy. You know?

Herve Francois (54:30.549)
on the free side, yeah.

BROCK GANELES (54:34.52)
Yep.

Herve Francois (54:34.845)
Mm-hmm.

Herve Francois (54:40.981)
Wow.

BROCK GANELES (54:42.219)
You got one for us?

Herve Francois (54:45.191)
In regards to what? have to... hit?

MARK HAYES (54:47.106)
The quick gits.

BROCK GANELES (54:47.169)
You know, we call it a quick hit, which is like a pop culture story that maybe connects to the bigger thing. If you don't have one, I'm going to ask you a question. Okay, your time's almost up.

Herve Francois (55:02.687)
shoot, shoot, I'm sorry. You gotta tell me an event. my, I even think. I had no problem with him. That's a problem with the... Okay.

MARK HAYES (55:04.622)
Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (55:04.803)
You know, you can't come with Shador Sanders in the Pro Bowl either. We'll talk about that another day. no, I'm going to throw one out. Did you see Kanye's apology to the Jewish community for his anti-Semitism? Thoughts? Mark, you say it's money. No one's buying his sneakers anymore or his music? Erve?

Herve Francois (55:18.719)
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I did see that. I did see that. Well, he... Okay.

Herve Francois (55:31.797)
Whoa, so there apparently there was an apology he made to the Jewish community for all his anti-semitic remarks and wearing a swastika on t-shirts and everything else He also made an apology to the black community I'm sorry. He also made an apology. Can you hear me? I'm sorry

BROCK GANELES (55:41.741)
Come closer, come closer.

Yeah, yeah.

Herve Francois (55:46.387)
Yeah, so he also made an apology to the black community right because he said slavery was good. What's wrong with slavery? so I I I I I heard about a little bit then I was watching the post from the The Breakfast Club, so that's the morning radio show with Charlemagne the god and they had read Both of his apologies to the Jewish community and to the black community and everything else like that I was surprised to hear how the DJs Including Charlemagne the god, you know who was happy

BROCK GANELES (56:04.899)
Yeah, yeah.

Herve Francois (56:16.311)
I was surprised that they said that they believe he is being honest in his apologies because the main reason why they believe it is because he has not been seen or heard of in a long time. then apparently back in December, I did not notice because I don't follow her. Kim Kardashian said he's doing a much better job as co-parenting with their kids and that all of

this

So many of the corporate sponsors and partnerships were diluted because of it, right? Adidas cut him and the Gap cut him and so on and so forth. no doubt money is tick.

MARK HAYES (57:25.698)
The money, put him.

Herve Francois (57:27.893)
Money's taking a hit money took him took a hit a long time ago But you know when you worth a billion dollars, maybe you can float for a little while longer But you know, this is a guy who likes he's creative genius He likes to create fashion and music and everything else like that and he went off the rails I I look I heard what the DJs on the morning or the breakfast club said I'm not the biggest believer in his apologies yet He in his apology letters. He leaned heavily on his

Herve Francois (58:27.613)
Hey, would you want to see a white leader come out and talk about you know? A day of reckoning when it comes to race relations united states and I said I'd rather see more actions as word Kanye If you are honestly being honest about both of these apologies, I got to see actions More than words on a letter. All right. I mean now you need to go you need to go on a on a on a nationwide tour apology tour to both the jewish and the black community and you need to ingratiate

BROCK GANELES (58:44.982)
Okay

MARK HAYES (58:57.452)
out.

Herve Francois (58:57.463)
yourself with both of these groups of people. That's the only way I accept that, his apologies. Yep.

MARK HAYES (59:00.878)
Alright.

BROCK GANELES (59:02.147)
I read it, let me just say that the Jewish guys quick hit on it I read it laughing when I first started reading the article like shit No fucking way Kanye as I got through the whole thing. I was like, you know what? This was a pretty good apology letter. Yes He needs to back it up a little things but he as me as me a compass go either his team or someone Crafted a pretty good one. So

Herve Francois (59:11.175)
What?

Herve Francois (59:18.57)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (59:21.025)
He didn't write it.

Herve Francois (59:28.659)
Right, right, right.

BROCK GANELES (59:30.089)
I'm going to at give him that first baby step. His first baby step back was pretty good. He's got a long way to go, man. And he went full Nazi. Mark, he went full Nazi. He went he went he went he went real.

Herve Francois (59:35.901)
Yeah. Yeah, you got in great shit. You have to go on a nationwide apology to us. Yeah. He went full Nazi was too much. He has too much. It was.

MARK HAYES (59:46.006)
And he needs to let his wife wear some clothes. know, let your wife wear some clothes when she's out in public, please.

Herve Francois (59:51.541)
I think that's more subjective than anything else and I think we should just leave it there. I Think we should just leave it there. That's a great place to wrap it up

MARK HAYES (59:57.73)
That's a great place to wrap up, guys. I'm on my last night on the road. I gotta go enjoy right quick. But Irving, always a pleasure.

BROCK GANELES (01:00:04.565)
Enjoy that cold, cold plated dinner. Enjoy the cold plated dinner. Irve, as always, thank you for joining us.

MARK HAYES (01:00:09.024)
Okay. We'll see you soon, okay? Yes, sir. Alright, gents. Peace.

Herve Francois (01:00:10.645)
Pleasure guys, thanks for having me on man. Yeah, it'll do it again, man. Keep it real guys. Thank you. All right, have a good night. All right, be well. Bye bye.

BROCK GANELES (01:00:13.887)
Alright, Shalom!

Bye bye.