2 Men In Black and White: An Honest Conversation

MARK HAYES (00:01.166)
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. Mark Hayes, Brock and Ellis here with you. Two men in black and white and honest conversation. All right, we're getting right into it. Alex Peretti was an American hero and we must never forget that. This man was protecting a woman who was being brutalized by border patrol agents at the behest of Dan Bovino, Kristi Noem et al and Donald Trump.

Again, we see the mirroring personalities of ICE, Patrol, and Donald Trump, the big bad bullies who think they can do whatever they want. They think they can murder people and get away with it. America's not going for it. Brock Anelis is here. We're just a couple of guys with streaming capability looking at America's decay through the black community and white community lenses.

Alright Brock, Alex Peretti. Man, this one hurts if not as much more than Renee Goode because it shouldn't have happened again.

BROCK GANELES (01:12.207)
Yeah, there's so many layers to this shooting yesterday and I can't be the only white American who watched the video.

MARK HAYES (01:12.674)
Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (01:19.163)
100 times right from like every yeah every angle and every you know Every edge of it, you know, we said for 10 months more Maybe not sure not many people have been watching us for 10 months for 10 months We've been saying at some point with all these video cameras out there ice is going to kill someone on video And maybe that's what's gonna take to really shake up what we call complacent white America So we get the renee good shooting a week ago

MARK HAYES (01:20.98)
in horror.

MARK HAYES (01:40.972)
score.

MARK HAYES (01:46.392)
Sure.

BROCK GANELES (01:49.069)
Like never could I have imagined that we would get two shootings within a week on video right in front of us to watch the horror of and the injustice of both of them. I never could have predicted that the first two on video murders would be white people.

That's as shocking as anything. I would have expected it have been a Latino family fighting off of ice. Like someone videotapes it, but two white people out there observing and out there for people of color, like the best of us in white America who are out there and watching them get gunned down. And in both cases, we watch the administration go to the propaganda playbook and try to paint both of them as dangers and domestic terrorists. And I think that's fallen.

MARK HAYES (02:37.196)
immediately.

BROCK GANELES (02:42.147)
absolutely flat and certainly in the Alex Pready case as they're trying to paint him as a violent insurrectionist you know

MARK HAYES (02:43.956)
Mm-hmm, sure.

BROCK GANELES (02:54.467)
that had to be taken out by, you know, our heroic ice troops. The family of a fallen soldier puts out the video of Alex Pratty giving kind of in essence the last some sort of version of last rights. He's a VA nurse, right? So he's the best of the best of us, right? He's taking care of fallen and injured and sick soldiers.

MARK HAYES (03:10.466)
brought tears to my eyes.

BROCK GANELES (03:23.479)
And while Kristi Noem's trying to paint him, you know, as a deranged maniac, as Trump is so like, not only was the killing horrific, but I feel like this second one has really poked through, you know, the pack of lies that MAGA immediately goes to, because I just don't feel like the country is buying it. I certainly don't feel like white America is buying this depiction of other white people as dangerous.

MARK HAYES (03:27.126)
as a domestic terrorist. Right.

MARK HAYES (03:51.136)
Right, right. Here's what we just learned. Within the last 20 minutes, a U.S. District Court judge has granted a restraining order against Homeland Security, barring the Department from altering or destroying evidence connected to Prettie's killing. Now, here's what's pertinent about that, is the fact that with Renee Good, they're not allowing the FBI

minnesota law enforcement or any other law enforcement branch to investigate the shooting and killing of bernay good now they're trying to do it

BROCK GANELES (04:27.291)
Now, FBI has refused to investigate because that operative resigned because they wouldn't let her, but they certainly didn't allow the local police to get to the crime scene. It's almost like a little bit of a learning curve, right? On this second one, now like they're stepping in quickly to not allow ICE to brush it under the rug or destroy all the evidence.

MARK HAYES (04:31.572)
correct.

All right.

MARK HAYES (04:38.488)
Correct. Right.

MARK HAYES (04:44.674)
Okay.

MARK HAYES (04:48.77)
Well, Brock, America has been litmus testing our, how can I say, our, our, you know, conscience for violence since the very beginning. I mean, you know, we go back to Jim Crow, we can go back to, you know, the turn of the century.

We can go back to Three-Fifths of Man. We can go back to Plessy versus Ferguson. This country was founded on its violence. In our lifetimes, we've only seen it perpetrated against black and brown people. We've seen the incarceration rates of black and brown people. We've seen the inability to acquire wealth.

for black and brown people. We're just now learning how this has been perpetrated historically. We've talked about how many times we never heard about the Tulsa massacre. There are t-shirts on Amazon that you can get with all the different massacres around the United States, Tulsa, Rosewood, and all. And so...

The difference here is that we're seeing the worst of white America, right? Try to influence all of white America to say this is the way it should be done. And if you don't want to do it this way, well, you're going to have to pay the price too because you're with them, right? And so this is what makes this

you know, heartbreaking. These are two fine human beings, as were Sandra Bland, know, Tyree Nichols, know, Laquan McDonald, you know, George Floyd, you know, who are we to judge the kind of people they were? But now we're talking about a VA nurse, a man who's taking care of fall... The video.

MARK HAYES (07:13.23)
makes you want to cry when you see him reading that video honoring fallen soldiers. Like, does it get any better than that, So I will say that that's a long way of saying, black America is watching this and saying, my God, if they're killing good white folk, what are they going to do to us? I mean,

BROCK GANELES (07:38.927)
Yeah, nobody's

MARK HAYES (07:40.546)
There's no right. Nobody's safe, but especially us because they know they can. They've already proven they can perpetrate violence on us and get away with it. It's rare that we see a Derek Chauvin convicted, you know, both locally and federally, right? But Keith Ellison, the attorney general in Minnesota, was not going for it. We watched the man die on video, right?

at one of them and it was still wasn't a tipping point in America because here we are right back with the violence again.

BROCK GANELES (08:14.767)
Yeah, what's interesting about that, like that was finally accountability for a white officer, you know, inflicting, you know, deadly, unnecessary, deadly violence on a black person, right? So now we've seen two shootings, white on white, right? Where, you know...

MARK HAYES (08:28.94)
Mm-hmm.

BROCK GANELES (08:36.217)
DHS is trying to avoid accountability, right? They're going into lie mode. They don't want there to be justice in America or even a trial, even a trial. They don't even want there to be due process, right? They don't even want, in the first case, Renee Good, they're not even allowing the investigation. So now, know, Minneapolis as a state, maybe step in on this second one to get enough evidence.

MARK HAYES (08:39.373)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (08:45.1)
No. No.

BROCK GANELES (09:03.221)
I'd say they have enough evidence just from the videos alone, but like maybe they need more to feel like they have to get a conviction. yeah, I mean, Mark, as a white person my age, you kind of think back and you're like, really? So white people used to like have a picnic when there was a lynching of a black man. And that was like sort of a Saturday afternoon activity in America. And they had the visual of watching someone get killed. And we're getting a different version of that. Right now with two in a week, it's like, wow.

MARK HAYES (09:25.057)
Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (09:33.038)
It's almost like expected who's going who's gonna get shot next? Yeah, who's next because you have these you know vigil, you know, goon squads Gestapo's out on the street who feel like they have no they've been told so therefore they act as if they have this total immunity While they're out there and as soon as they kill someone they see how quickly they're protected So you can just hear it from the clips right where they say you're next or you know now you're on a

MARK HAYES (09:35.662)
Who's next? Yeah!

MARK HAYES (09:50.744)
Zero accountability, Yeah.

MARK HAYES (10:16.856)
Yeah.

Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (10:26.827)
Are these two murders enough to trigger white America? I'm curious. I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful. And I hope it even

MARK HAYES (10:33.294)
Please let it be.

BROCK GANELES (10:39.873)
intrigues black America to be like wow those white people are out there getting themselves killed they're standing in front of the bullets first so yeah we think if we're out there it's going to be more violent but can this get you know how much more violent can it get yes you can get a lot more violent but it's probably going to have to get a lot more violent except unless we come out in such huge numbers that ice

MARK HAYES (10:57.186)
Yeah. Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (11:08.335)
feels overwhelmed. And even when Trump calls in the army, they feel overwhelmed and or.

MARK HAYES (11:10.19)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (11:16.581)
they refuse to go to war with their own people. And I wonder, I wonder where the military's, if people in the military where their head is when they think about being called in on the Insurrection Act in the same way that local police have to think about where am I on this? Is is ICE really a police force? Are they my ally or my enemy in my community?

MARK HAYES (11:18.861)
Right.

MARK HAYES (11:29.367)
Oof.

MARK HAYES (11:37.314)
No. They are not. They are not an ally of law enforcement. Because remember who they are, Brock.

These are the worst of the worst who were bailed out and got pardons from January 6th. They've had 47 days of training, right? And I say that in quote, 47 days for the 47th president. It's always about him, right? You know, the guy, you know, too soft to serve, know, soft and squishy Donald Trump. He's picked the worst of the worst to come out and terrorize and bully American citizens, okay?

BROCK GANELES (11:47.449)
Yeah. Yeah.

MARK HAYES (12:13.514)
Make no mistake about it, Alex Peretti is as American as it gets, loves the outdoors, serves as a nurse at the VA, loved universally by all the people that are talking about him. The doctor, I saw a tweet from one of the doctors that he worked with said he was the salt of the earth human being, just one of the most amazing people you ever met. And yet these scumbags from January 6th around here brutalizing people like him, right?

Killing people like him and Renee Good. Renee Good was just dropping off her kid. Right on the way home from school. Like how much worse does it get in America? And Brock, this is...

This is how Black America feels. Like you're getting an inkling of the feeling of how Black America feels when we watch George Floyd die on camera, when we watched Rodney King get beaten to a pulp by Los Angeles police officers, when Dr. King died. I remember.

My parents had an actual scrapbook of the newspaper clippings from the week that Dr. King died. And I used to take it in as a grade school kid and on Dr. King's birthday, raise my hand and ask if I could do a presentation about Dr. King. But this is now what, remember, those are the feelings that brought black people to the streets, right?

My question is, why isn't white America running into the streets? And I know it's 10 degrees below in Minnesota.

BROCK GANELES (13:53.602)
I mean, it's only Minneapolis. see that seven year old guy who got.

tear gas, you see having all these people that are out on the streets for the first time. The fact that there was like somewhere between 10, 20,000 people in Minneapolis on a minus 10 degree day is still amazing. I mean, the next day there's another shooting. So they're so riled up. They're almost riled up for all of us right now. It's not enough, but they're showing so much to the rest of white America. Like it is just extremely inspirational what the people of Minneapolis

MARK HAYES (14:08.589)
You gotta love it. Yeah.

MARK HAYES (14:17.11)
Right. Right. Right.

BROCK GANELES (14:28.669)
are doing right now. They're pissed but from the...

MARK HAYES (14:29.174)
No doubt. I agree. I would agree.

BROCK GANELES (14:34.179)
Trump administration point of view from the white supremacy project 2025 goon squad point of view. I don't think they can get this genie back in the bottle. Once a seven year old guy has gone out on the streets because he's appalled at his own government, I don't think and doesn't believe them and knows they're lying to him about what he just witnessed. And he's out there minus 10 degree weather. I don't think you ever get that guy back into the MAGA camp. I think they've

MARK HAYES (15:03.394)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (15:04.093)
Like they've really painted themselves into a, know, worse and worse of a corner in.

reacting to these shootings with the Trump playbook, which is to never apologize, never say you're wrong and just barrel forward and lie and keep lying and lying and lying. And if you lie enough, you'll convince people it's the truth. And the fact that they're stacking one shooting on top of another and coming with the same lie, right? They came the same lie a week later that they tried a week ago that didn't work, but they didn't have a new lie to go to with this guy. It's the same lie. He's a threat. He's a domestic terror.

MARK HAYES (15:25.922)
Hmm.

BROCK GANELES (15:41.464)
terrorist, right? He's a terrible person. You know, they were, you know, self-defense, all the horse shit. So I just don't think that they can win back that seven-year-old white guy who's probably never protested in his life, but is absolutely livid that this is the country that he lives in now.

MARK HAYES (15:57.932)
Right, and hates what he sees.

BROCK GANELES (15:58.908)
When it works through, can it work through to a mass protest in DC? You know, because I'm also seeing a shift in the mindset of people saying, well, only so much can be done if you're marching in your local city. That's not going to disrupt what's going on.

MARK HAYES (16:15.767)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (16:20.345)
With the Trump government, like you have to go to where he is. had an argument with someone today about whether we should protest at Mar-a-Lago or at in DC. You know, and I argued DC because I'm like, I want to shut down the entire functioning of government, not just where Trump is at. So I think we're moving towards that. I want to see us come out of this quote snowstorm weekend with, you know, not petitioned, what that guy called them.

MARK HAYES (16:24.566)
Great.

MARK HAYES (16:35.19)
shut down the apparatus.

Right.

BROCK GANELES (16:50.269)
You know petition parades You know, but like really really disruptive action to where like okay ice isn't gonna stop because we're yelling they need to stop Ice isn't gonna stop because there's a whole 20,000 people out in the streets of Minneapolis It's gonna take 20 million people

MARK HAYES (16:50.862)
Right?

BROCK GANELES (17:14.349)
And at least 2 million of them in DC, like absolutely overwhelming the functioning of government. But Minneapolis is giving us that inspiration and showing us that you can be out there and it's scary and it's dangerous, but that it's necessary.

MARK HAYES (17:21.345)
Well...

MARK HAYES (17:30.858)
It is very necessary for all of us. Big time Trump, MAGA suck up Tim Pool is a podcaster. I don't know if you heard of this guy, but he's pretty huge in MAGA world.

BROCK GANELES (17:43.161)
Heard the name, yeah.

MARK HAYES (17:44.746)
Yeah, he's turning on Trump. And here's a quote that I pulled for you from him. I don't know if you saw the video of the Army sniper who broke down the video showing where the Border Patrol agent had taken Alex Peretti's gun and started running away with it. And it discharged and it freaked out the other Border Patrol agents. And so they shot him 11 times. I'll say.

BROCK GANELES (18:10.135)
Okay, I didn't see that specific video. I've seen video of the gun being pulled and moved away because when he was dead on the ground, they didn't know where the gun was, right? Because one of the agents had already pulled it away.

MARK HAYES (18:15.374)
Right.

MARK HAYES (18:19.436)
Right. Right.

But it wasn't in, yeah, it wasn't in Paredi's hand. So Poole says empty hand, then gun in hand.

commenting on the slowed down footage. And it appeared, he says, it appears the man may have been disarmed before being shot. Now that is in direct contradiction with Kristi Noem and the rest of the magoons that are trying to paint Mr. Peretti as a domestic terrorist. see, is the...

This is the same playbook that they used in the 60s against Black America. Remember they thought Martin Luther King was a communist threat, Malcolm X, communist threats. J. Edgar Hoover had them under surveillance because they felt they were a danger.

BROCK GANELES (19:17.327)
You know, but I don't...

I don't believe they ever thought they were really a communist threat. I think that they wanted to depict them as a communist threat, just like we hear all the time, right? Just trying to paint a narrative. And our media is continuing to fail us. The New York Times headline was something to the like of, I wrote it down, sort of the video footage, quote, appears to contradict the federal, state,

MARK HAYES (19:26.424)
just like we're doing with Peretti. Right.

MARK HAYES (19:34.407)
Absolutely.

MARK HAYES (19:46.829)
doesn't appear.

BROCK GANELES (19:48.27)
appears to contradict is that the softest way of saying you're getting fucking lies from Kristi Noem and DHS like they're trying to absolutely lie about something we've all just watched here from 10 different angles the best they could come one come with is appears to contradict and it's like the language is too soft like who the fuck's paying for that by the way like who still has a subscription in New York Times like who's paying for that shit that that's the story I'm gonna have read I just

MARK HAYES (19:54.989)
You're right.

MARK HAYES (20:01.304)
that.

MARK HAYES (20:07.938)
disgusting.

MARK HAYES (20:14.158)
Nobody I know.

BROCK GANELES (20:18.233)
watched it. That's your rundown. That's the best you got for me on a whole blooded murder I just watched that it appears to contradict. I got it from 50 angles. So this is a brooder tape. I got every angle. saw exactly what happened. Media continues to be a fail. But yeah, I never buy that whole communist this that everyone's, you know, domestic terrorists. That's just that's government propaganda trying to justify.

MARK HAYES (20:20.938)
Right. Right.

MARK HAYES (20:27.672)
Bro. Bro.

MARK HAYES (20:36.46)
Media is a joke.

MARK HAYES (20:45.325)
Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (20:47.791)
You know, horrible actions. That's all it is.

MARK HAYES (20:49.76)
Right? Check out Judas and the Black Messiah on HBO, that movie. It, it, I mean, yeah. So you, so you see, you know, how they create these narratives and now they're doing it to white America. We, we gotta stop this shit now.

BROCK GANELES (20:54.371)
Yeah, yeah. seen it!

MARK HAYES (21:08.524)
Right? We can't let this go any further. I mean, when do we hit the point of no return? I already feel like we're there. The world is starting to boycott us. Soon we're not going to be able to get some of our favorite products and some of the favorite things that we are used to having and accustomed to having. There's already a groundswell about people not coming here and boycotting the World Cup, which was going to be a huge financial boom.

many different cities hosting the games. So Donald Trump is impeding, like, and, you know, injecting himself into every fabric of our being, the things we enjoy, right? The places we wanna go, the people that we'd like to see. You know, I saw a tweet this morning on...

Midas Touch, I saw it on Midas Touch, where Kristi Noem said, I mean Pam Bondi said, all right, we'll leave Minnesota to, this is, she's talking to Minnesota officials, we'll leave if you give us your voter rolls, right? So they can manipulate the voter, yes.

BROCK GANELES (22:17.347)
Yeah, because they want to manipulate the election. Because they're kind of...

Because they kind of are coming to the understanding is that they really can't cancel elections because the states run the elections. So they can't like cancel a Minnesota election. And the fact is that in a lot of cases, Republicans are giving up seats and running for other offices. Like think about South Carolina, Nancy Mace is giving up her congressional seat to run for governor. like, I guess if you cancel the election, South Carolina, so like, you know,

MARK HAYES (22:29.934)
You're right.

MARK HAYES (22:47.208)
she's quitting she's not going to be governing.

BROCK GANELES (22:52.207)
seats that it'll have to be filled that'll be but you know they're going to try to rig these elections and intimidate voters to the hill and then maybe maybe deny the results after they come in. I'm just coming to the case that that's more likely than the actual canceling of them because I think they just figure they have all this time to figure out how to rig them, steal them, or deny them based upon the various outcomes.

MARK HAYES (23:05.378)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (23:21.347)
Yeah, Mark, the other thing that really gets me, especially from the little bit of a tangent from the Alex Prady being at the VA and given that great eulogy or, you know, final words to a fallen soldier just pissed me off so much how our military leaders have still been way too quiet. It still aggravates me about John Kelly from eight years ago when he knew how much Trump didn't give a shit about the military and Trump

MARK HAYES (23:47.589)
Mm. Right.

BROCK GANELES (23:51.214)
was even disparaging his own son and stayed quiet, did a couple interviews on the slide, but it's never been a loud voice, you know, even though he had a front row seat to Trump's lunacy and Trump 1.0. So to me, it's like people like that helped us get a Trump 2.0, because they didn't sound the alarm. They were either too afraid or too above the fray. And I just have no respect for that. And now I'm really looking for

MARK HAYES (23:51.363)
Right.

MARK HAYES (24:07.362)
Right.

MARK HAYES (24:12.852)
at all. At all.

BROCK GANELES (24:22.298)
massive leadership out of ex-US military people. And maybe the Alex Kredi murder triggers them a little bit. Like they don't have to stand neutral. You can't be neutral right now. There is no neutral lane in America.

MARK HAYES (24:29.75)
Right.

Okay.

MARK HAYES (24:37.006)
No. No. No. And Brock, you think about it. These are the people that always say country over party.

right, our military guys, there is no party affiliation, but yet you won't come out and, and, you know, deride, mean, just, just punish Trump with all you know, right? Share everything you know about this incompetent idiot, right? He has no business being president. He tapped into America's worst feeling and ran with it. And now you won't speak out.

BROCK GANELES (25:14.267)
The fact they've unleashed a...

unleashed a white supremacy militia that is ignoring search and seizure rules and just you know barreling into homes without warrants now and just decided they could circumvent that. Shooting people for exercising first amendment rights just because they're videotaping them or yelling at them. Killing people now for second amendment rights because they happen to have a gun on them which is legal even open carry you know is legal.

MARK HAYES (25:25.262)
For sure. For sure.

MARK HAYES (25:35.81)
Okay.

BROCK GANELES (25:45.614)
of most of America, but now you're getting killed for that. So, okay, if you're country first, what is country to you? Supposedly country is the constitution over the leadership, right? That the constitution tethers, ties us together and political leaders come and go. We vote them in, we vote them out. So where's their honor to the constitution then when they're watching you get getting trampled. But it leads me to the next thing. And I'm going to say this over and over.

MARK HAYES (25:53.836)
Right?

MARK HAYES (26:04.886)
Right? Right.

BROCK GANELES (26:15.587)
I think Trump gets an advantage when we sit around talking about how we're so afraid of the Insurrection Act or martial law. And I'll continue to say, bring it on. What is the difference between the military on our streets than ICE on our streets? Okay, just more guys with guns, know, maybe better trained, you would hope, you know, less...

Nazi, but we can't be afraid of it. We see it. We've seen it already. You can't tiptoe around it. Trump is going to invoke the insurrection act at some point. Let's just assume it and let's start arguing with our soldiers to say, hey, yeah, come to the city and clear ice out. Yeah, you're to come and support ice or are you going to come and be a counter force to ice? I want to know what the military is going to be. Is the military really buying this bullshit that these streets are so

MARK HAYES (26:40.109)
Right.

MARK HAYES (26:44.268)
Right.

MARK HAYES (26:49.847)
Right.

MARK HAYES (26:57.911)
Right.

MARK HAYES (27:02.932)
Right. Right.

BROCK GANELES (27:08.573)
Unruly that they need to come in and quote restore order. Well, why are the streets so unruly? Because we have these ICE forces out there armed and you know, basically disobeying or ignoring our Constitution. So where does our military stand? I mean, I want to know sooner rather than later.

MARK HAYES (27:19.989)
Armed to the hilt.

MARK HAYES (27:25.676)
Right. Right. We need to know.

MARK HAYES (27:34.198)
All right, that's a good point too to end on, but give me a quick hit before we get out of here.

BROCK GANELES (27:40.055)
Okay, you know I'm watching a lot of documentaries these days, but this one my wife found got me into, have you seen the one on I think it got an Oscar nomination, on the Alabama prison system?

MARK HAYES (27:44.248)
See?

MARK HAYES (27:56.537)
What's it called? I think I have.

BROCK GANELES (27:59.2)
I don't know what it's called but holy shit and they did it all on cell phones and they got cell phones in the prisons and these guys came on tape on the cell phones to talk about how bad the conditions are in the Alabama prison system and it even shows a poor white guy how in essence like underclass poor white people

MARK HAYES (28:16.652)
Well, here's the thing, the Alabama.

BROCK GANELES (28:27.803)
really being treated like people of color. I mean, showed a young white guy who got beat to death by the guards. And then they beat to death? Yeah.

MARK HAYES (28:30.721)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (28:37.868)
the Alabama solution.

BROCK GANELES (28:40.687)
then they beat to, is it on like Paramount? And then the HBO maybe, and then they beat to death his cellmate and the parents got no justice, right? So it was a classic case of white people being treated as bad as black people. But of course, 90 % of the prison population was black, but it happened to be a white guy that got killed by the guards.

MARK HAYES (28:45.558)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (28:55.694)
couldn't be poor.

MARK HAYES (29:01.942)
Yeah, right. And because he's poor, right? Poor folks are often treated like minorities, right? Because of the way our society is set up. Alabama prisons are, if not the worst, one of the top offenders in the American penal system. The feds were supposed to take it over. I don't know if that has happened.

BROCK GANELES (29:25.849)
That's a big part of the story of the documentary is the inmates want the feds to take it over.

MARK HAYES (29:31.383)
Yes!

BROCK GANELES (29:31.76)
Because, yeah, because there'd be in that maybe pre Trump or maybe even even then it can't be worse than just Alabama, you know, the the way Alabama treats. But it really gets into the psychology of how politicians are always playing to the fears of white America. And you have to build more prisons. And and the fact that we don't give a shit how they're treated because, they deserve it because they did something wrong, which is the same language is being used on Renee Good and Alex Preti. Like they deserve it. They didn't come.

MARK HAYES (29:39.863)
Right.

MARK HAYES (29:46.924)
Yep. Yep.

MARK HAYES (29:53.718)
Right. Because they're prisoners.

BROCK GANELES (30:01.693)
If Renee just complied, she wouldn't have been shot three times in the face. That whole idea, if they played by, quote, these rules and therefore it doesn't matter how they're treated because they didn't play by, quote, our rules. And I really hope, I hope we come out of this carnage and-

MARK HAYES (30:04.844)
Right. Right.

BROCK GANELES (30:30.907)
the brink of loss of democracy in America with an absolutely different national consciousness, both about race and also about immigration. That we come out of this with like, that somebody finally expresses a pro-immigration stance and get us back to what we were talking about nine months ago, Mark, where America truly embraces that it's a multicultural, multiracial society. And that becomes something that's expected,

expected and valued not always always played against border security prisons crime like constant themes that dominate the national discourse to think mark that in like Westchester County New York in the last election that Crime was the number one topic

of that election won by Mike Lawler.

MARK HAYES (31:29.708)
We slept with our doors open in the 70s and 80s.

BROCK GANELES (31:33.116)
the safest like it's one of the safest places in America, but all it takes is like one incident somewhere to tap into white fear of the others. then that overwhelms everything else. The best economy coming out of COVID than the entire world, but like crime and the, you know, the fact you have people in Iowa running around voting on the border as it like, what, the the border, what the fuck is the border have to do with your life in any way, shape or form, but they're convinced of that.

MARK HAYES (31:51.619)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (32:03.069)
And just to finish the thought, and so it's documentaries like this when I see what a white guy like me gets to see the underbelly of the prison system and how the politicians play white America like a fiddle.

MARK HAYES (32:04.014)
But Brock, you know, I...

BROCK GANELES (32:19.855)
to be racist, right? They to encourage you to be racist because they play into your fear. They're like, you're not being racist. You're just being like, you know, safe. You're just keeping your family safe so you could like step away from the worst of you and pretend like you're you're playing to the best of you. And, know, that's what I feel like I'm watching through America. So sorry, I'll hand you the microphone back. I'm done with my little speech there. I get off my soapbox.

MARK HAYES (32:20.578)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (32:27.299)
Yep.

MARK HAYES (32:40.179)
Mm-hmm. You're doing what's right. You're doing what's right. Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (32:49.789)
you

MARK HAYES (32:50.154)
No, but I would encourage you, if you were interested and somewhat upset at what you saw, watch the documentary that was an Oscar nominated piece of art that was done by Ava DuVernay, 13th.

BROCK GANELES (33:11.451)
No, I watched it 13 because you told me to. I've watched 13. That was my first deep dive in the prison system. This Alabama one threw on top of it. This one's a little different because so much of the footage is from the prison itself in like phones that have gotten snuck in. And you know, those inmates basically risk their lives for it. Basically, they're like, we're going to get killed once this comes out. But fuck it. We got to get the word out.

MARK HAYES (33:14.84)
Yep.

MARK HAYES (33:25.419)
from the prison. Yeah.

MARK HAYES (33:35.512)
Right.

It's that bad. Yeah. It's that bad.

BROCK GANELES (33:39.396)
Yeah, they knew like they're yeah, the one guy was in solitary for six months already. So he's kind of like, you know, basically a what the fuck

MARK HAYES (33:46.422)
What the fuck? Yeah,

BROCK GANELES (33:47.406)
I got to tell you how bad this is. So yeah, I've been watching, you so yeah, you walking down this, this path of learning about it. And then it gets me to thinking about how politicians play it all the time. And those seven fucking Democrats just three days ago who voted for the ICE funding. Why? Because, they didn't want to be painted as not on the side of quote law enforcement. And when it came and stopping crime when it comes to their election, 10 months from now. So like this cycle.

MARK HAYES (33:58.946)
It's frightening.

MARK HAYES (34:16.578)
But this is not law enforcement. This is not law enforcement. Good joke.

BROCK GANELES (34:17.309)
for

Yeah, I know. And the fact that they couldn't make that argument. But but even so that they wanted to fall back on that so easy. But they see that as such a vulnerability that they had to do something that's so out of step with the morality of America. for their own fucking self-interest, they felt like they had to vote a different way. They look like fucking idiots now. Those seven, A, they should all be primaried, but they look like the biggest idiots in American politics. Worse than the MAGA guys who we know what they're doing. They're just lying and going along. But those seven, such

MARK HAYES (34:31.394)
Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (34:48.549)
Pussies that they voted along with it and they look like idiots 48 hours later when another white guy gets shot on the streets All should be primaried all should be gone. That's what they're killing the left that mentality and that lack of courage killing the left Take the floor what do you got for me?

MARK HAYES (34:59.209)
Absolutely.

MARK HAYES (35:04.834)
Yeah, no doubt.

So Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison is going to court Monday. He's going to argue that there is no need for this continued surge, so we'll have to keep an eye on that. The city of Minneapolis also filing a declaration in hopes a judge will issue a temporary restraining order to get DHS to pause their operation. And then the good news coming out of this, there's a donut shop not too far from where

Alex Peretti was shot. They opened up for business today as a community welcoming center. Not to sell donuts, but just to have the community come, probably warm up, right? And to connect with each other.

There are a lot of churches in Minneapolis doing the same thing, you know, trying to provide a safe space for immigrants, their families, and those people who might be sought by ICE. And that's how we get to what you were just talking about, which I am leery of happening is, you know, a reckoning on race post Donald Trump.

because that's what it's going to take to rid America of this, you know, this scourge that is racism. Right? It's costing. I don't know if I sent you the article. Citibank actually had one of their executives do a deep dive on what racism.

MARK HAYES (36:47.946)
has cost this country. Brock, it was like 20 billions of dollars in like 20 years. I'm not talking about historically. I'm talking about over the last 20 years. And, you know, we're hurting ourselves more than we're helping ourselves by trying to create a whites only power structure and, you know,

excellent structure. know, it's Brock, it's always amazing to me that, you know, you look on TV, you see, you know, Jack Buck, and then you see Jack Buck's son. You know, you see Chris Collinsworth, and then you see Chris Collinsworth's son. You see Gary Kubiak and his two sons were the offensive coordinators of last week's playoff game with Seattle versus San Francisco.

Like how much brilliance comes in one family and you know, you can't hire a black head coach in NCAA, right? You can't hire a black coordinator in NCAA football, right? And here you got two in one family, right? Like with limited experience. I looked at the bios.

You know, I happen to know the Kubiak family because when we lived in Denver, our son played Little League football with the older boy, Clay. I mean, they're great family. But I'm just saying, you know, how many times...

BROCK GANELES (38:25.637)
They ain't the only guys that know how to structure an offense, right? They're the only two guys in America that know how to structure an offense.

MARK HAYES (38:29.323)
Exactly.

Exactly. Eric Bienemi got no credit with the Kansas City Chiefs, right? Can't buy himself a job in the NFL as a head coach, right? You know, Mike Tomlin had a winning record every year and it led to his demise because he was never in position to get a good draft pick because he always did well enough. Yeah. Yeah. But nobody talks about his Super Bowl victory. No one talks about it.

BROCK GANELES (38:49.967)
Yeah, 20 years.

Only course ever do that. Look, he won championships though, but he won championships. I mean...

MARK HAYES (39:01.91)
Right? Because it's what have you done for me lately? Right? And with that pile of bums that he got to the playoffs this year with a 44 year old quarterback, you know, he gets no credit for that. I don't know, bro. We need the reckoning on race.

BROCK GANELES (39:11.727)
Yeah, this is...

BROCK GANELES (39:17.391)
You do know, you do know the the the anecdote is somewhat obvious. It's this question is when America is going to come around to it. But when you're talking about economic impact of racism and in the billions, it's going to hit in the trillions during this Trump era because all this social unrest and all these boycotts and all these tariffs and all these other countries that don't want to do business with us like all these.

MARK HAYES (39:27.66)
to it.

MARK HAYES (39:33.71)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (39:37.303)
yeah.

MARK HAYES (39:44.236)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (39:46.223)
farmers that don't have

a market anymore. Like the impact, the economic impact is going to be huge as well. I'm focused on the social impact. They're intertwined, right? But the economic impact is going to be huge because think of the fight we're going to have to have to unseat Trump. that's just, we've just skirmished in Minneapolis, right? This is going to be like, have to be like a national civil war in order to get him out. It's going to cripple our economy to get there. We're going to have to do it, but it's going to cripple our economy on the way because when we're

MARK HAYES (39:50.285)
Bye.

MARK HAYES (39:54.285)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (40:03.501)
Right.

MARK HAYES (40:10.796)
Right. Right.

BROCK GANELES (40:18.223)
not we're not being we're not going to be productive when we're out just trying to save our our rights and our you know our way of life.

MARK HAYES (40:24.951)
Right.

Yeah, Brock, I misspoke. was racism has cost the U.S. $16 trillion this century. This century.

BROCK GANELES (40:34.747)
Trillion. it's gonna... Trump's gonna get us into the trillions. Jesus Christ, he's just gonna steal. He's gonna steal a trillion from us, right? He already stole 150 billion or so from us. He's just gonna steal it and put... Just corruption alone is gonna cost us that.

MARK HAYES (40:41.445)
yeah.

MARK HAYES (40:47.372)
And then he just found another last name.

MARK HAYES (40:53.698)
We just saw him file another lawsuit against Jamie Dimon. That's all about him settling and taking instead of 5 billion, give me 2.5. Yeah, Shit. All right, bro. All good, good stuff. Pray for the country.

BROCK GANELES (41:00.837)
trying to take the money. Yeah, and then laughing at them like you do with CBS.

BROCK GANELES (41:07.387)
Alright Mark, so they're telling me 16 inches. 16 inches is the prediction for this storm. That's what not the pretty. Yeah, I gotta have plenty of TV to watch and.

MARK HAYES (41:16.758)
Sounds like lots of documentaries, bro.

MARK HAYES (41:22.178)
Hehehehehe

BROCK GANELES (41:23.779)
I'm not even shoveling until tomorrow. We gotta let this thing run its course. So yeah, we all get to sit around, watch clips and yeah, and watch some documentaries. Maybe watch something that's not in your comfort zone and learn something today. All right, Mark, good stuff. All right, always a pleasure. Take care.

MARK HAYES (41:27.7)
I hear you, bro.

MARK HAYES (41:34.23)
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. All right, good brother. Talk to you soon. Peace.