2 Men In Black and White: An Honest Conversation

MARK HAYES (00:01.294)
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another exciting edition of Two Men in Black and White, an Honest Conversation. All right, thanks for joining us again. We are live via YouTube and the Riverside app. So thanks for joining us today, Again, just a couple of guys with streaming capability with our special correspondent again joining us, Hervé Francois, joining us from the beautiful confines of middle New Jersey, their beautiful part of the world. Brock and Ellis pipes in from.

the upper Hudson River Valley where the fall foliage is gone. The snow is present and wow, I can't wait for the what we don't have cherry blossoms in the Hudson River Valley. What do we got Brock? What do we got? Just green leaves, soap trees.

BROCK GANELES (00:43.313)
We just want this, Mark, we just want the snow to melt. We just want the snow to melt. Yeah.

Herve Francois (00:44.924)
Thanks.

MARK HAYES (00:48.736)
Yeah, right? You ain't kidding. All right, gentlemen, let's get right to it. You know what? It's the racism, stupid. That's what MAGA has to say for themselves. They seem to be imploding. Marjorie Taylor Greene is doing a great job helping them. She's eating the movement from the inside out.

Herve Francois (00:51.91)
This is small things in life.

MARK HAYES (01:12.014)
But you know, they've got so many self-inflicted wounds. For example, the ape picture of President and Mrs. Obama. You know what? And I'm so sick of seeing those fucking ape images of Michelle and President Obama and then people telling us to get over slavery. I mean, it is ridiculous. And Hervé, I'll let you start, but you know, I haven't been that angry in a long time from when I saw that post from Trump.

But you know, that's what he is. He's like a six-year-old kid with a shitty diaper and can't control himself.

Herve Francois (01:47.516)
Yeah, and unfortunately there's a lot of truth to that as well, but he's a 79 year old guy with that.

Anyway, aside, that aside, that aside, yeah, listen, Mark, like you and many other folks around the country, probably around the world, I was really, really disgusted, disappointed in, you know, him reposting picture, you know, middle of the night, right? And then standing up and, you know, once again, deflecting, trying to point the blame on some staffers when he damn well know it was his. And my thing is, hey, listen, man, you're a grown man.

MARK HAYES (01:55.054)
you

Herve Francois (02:23.134)
you're a racist, own it, embrace it. It's who you are. Don't deflect, don't go ahead and blame it on some young person or something like that. You have no problem flexing who you are to the rest of the world. This is who you are. Own it and embrace it. And I gotta be honest with you, after my anger subsided many hours later on, as the day went on, I thought about it and I was like, know, so many people discussed it, right? All kind of, you know, replies to this.

on social media platforms how they can't believe he did it. saw the outrage by Tim Scott and I'm telling myself, Tim Scott shut the hell up. You don't have the right to be outraged. You know why Tim Scott? Because you have enabled this behavior yourself for the past 10 years. Okay? So yeah, that he took a shot at you when you think it's the most racist thing that ever came out of the White House. Shame on you Tim Scott.

MARK HAYES (03:03.879)
Ugh. Problem.

Herve Francois (03:22.994)
want to hear complaints about you. You've embraced this man, you have coddled this man, you have let this man shoot from the hip for years, demeaning people of all races, genders, and so on and so forth. So you don't get to speak.

But at the end of the day, you know, at the beginning, you know, it's like, I can't believe he put this out. We shouldn't have put this out. This is so disgusting and then disparaging to the Obamas and their family. I don't give a damn if you're Republican, white, black man, woman, LGBTQ, what don't matter, right? It's freaking disgusting. But then at the end of it, I thought about it. I'm like, you know something? I'm glad he put it out. I'm glad he put it out. And the reason why I'm glad he put it out is because for anyone,

out there, man, woman, nagger, publican, whatever, that ever had any doubts, that always said, no, he's not racist. He just likes certain people. no, he's not racist. no, now let it be known, there should be no confusion whatsoever. And let all of us here today and going forward

MARK HAYES (04:17.614)
Hmm.

MARK HAYES (04:22.52)
Thank

MARK HAYES (04:33.496)
Right.

Herve Francois (04:39.513)
Use that moment as the stark reminder.

The next time someone brings that up to you, no, he's not racist. No, you remember on that Friday what he had posted? And they're going to, if they're still defending him, well no, he said that was a staffer. Come on, put that aside. You know damn well, Mr. Magga, Mrs. Magga, that it was not a staffer. You know it was him. You know it was him. And if you're going to sit here to my face or over the phone or over text tell me that him posting this,

is not racist, well then that just confirms in me the foundation that you yourself are racist as well. Because I'll just ask you, well, would post it? Would you post that on the Obamas? Because you can't be both. You can't be joking about it. no, I'm not racist. was a joke. no, I'm not racist. It was a staffer. Are you going to apologize? Of course I'm not going to apologize. No. You don't get to straddle racism.

MARK HAYES (05:22.541)
Good.

MARK HAYES (05:26.53)
All

Herve Francois (05:42.832)
You either are and you own it or you are not. Right? So for those people that have been sitting on the fence as to whether or not he was racist, for those that were convinced that he was not racist, let them be convinced now because of his actions that he's are. Whether you're sitting on the fence or you're unequivocally, no, he's not racist. Let that settle in.

Because at the end of the day, now you have no argument. You have no argument. Because if you try again to defend him, well then you are just showing your true colors. Brock, I'll turn it over to you.

MARK HAYES (06:18.413)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (06:29.263)
Well, you've you've already like swallowed so many comments over the years, right? Like you've really, really had to do some gymnastics to convince yourself that Trump was not racist already up to this point. And then like it's almost like he kind of came with a two by four and hit you in the head and just like announced, yeah, I'm racist. OK, this is, know, I got I had a couple of thoughts on it. One is like

MARK HAYES (06:39.915)
Right.

MARK HAYES (06:44.919)
Right.

MARK HAYES (06:53.325)
Thanks.

BROCK GANELES (06:57.637)
Why is he putting this out now? To me, it was a scramble of deflection and messaging to the MAGA base, which he's worried about is peeling away. So he had to go to their worst instincts to remind them, hey, hey, hey, I'm your guy, right? Which is a sad commentary, but I felt like strategically that's what he was doing. But the second part of it was like,

Herve Francois (07:19.964)
Mm-hmm.

BROCK GANELES (07:25.777)
He's not just, it wasn't just a racist action, random, like a quote, random racist action, like a racist joke. I mean, he attacks the most prominent black person in American history. mean, yeah, yeah, because there's only been 47 presidents only one. It's the biggest job we have.

Herve Francois (07:31.1)
was a wreck. It was not wreck.

Herve Francois (07:40.892)
during Black History Month.

MARK HAYES (07:42.131)
Ad nausea. Ad nausea.

BROCK GANELES (07:50.659)
And only one black guy has had the job. So he's going after the most prominent black person as a message once again, really to all black people, anyone of color that you're, you know, your second class citizens. And that's the way his mind operates and really the way his, you know, now his government, AKR, our country is, is going to operate. and yeah.

MARK HAYES (08:00.141)
Thank you.

MARK HAYES (08:11.576)
always has and always will.

BROCK GANELES (08:18.873)
The good thing about it, Irvay, is that now we just know the hand we're dealt and let's just play the hand we're dealt and stop allowing anyone to try to bullshit their way around it.

Herve Francois (08:29.784)
And then there you go.

MARK HAYES (08:30.326)
Okay, let me get in here right here. Let me ask you guys, how should Democrats message this fuckery, right? Because that's always my problem. My problem is where are the Democrats making a shit storm out of this, right? Like, where is someone gonna come forward and say, hey, this is not what the president and the leader of the free world does and this is not the way he conducts themselves. Shame on you.

BROCK GANELES (08:32.249)
Yeah, Marty.

MARK HAYES (09:00.162)
you triple Trumpers, right? And shame on you members of Congress for not stepping up and saying, this is a bridge too far for me. How come we can't get that out of our democratic leaders?

Herve Francois (09:12.584)
I think we had some Democratic leaders did come out that day and said exactly what you just stated there, right? Schumer, Jeffries, they all said the same thing, AOC. But, you know, I don't think that

Personally, I was not looking for a response from our democratic leaders. I was not, right? And they're just gonna know that they're enraged. They're upset like the rest of us and everything else. They're disappointed and so on and so forth. And let's be real, Mark, they would be saying, they would only be repeating themselves on things they've said in the past. Anytime Trump has said something such egregious, either against black and brown people, said things against Latino people, disgusting things about women and so on and so forth.

This is, you know, condic unbecoming of the president and all this other stuff, right? You have to hold yourself to a higher status and everything else like that. But I think after a while, Mark, that, you know, words fall on deaf ears. If there's anyone that we may want to hear from, not that I really give a damn, but there's anyone that really needs to speak up are his supporters, right? And it can start with his supporters in Congress, right? And then as well as his voting supporters.

MARK HAYES (10:06.349)
Yeah.

Herve Francois (10:26.286)
Right? When are they going to step up and say enough? Because let me tell you something right now. Right? Many Republicans, right? And I, we all know Republicans out there, right? Of all shades and genders. But many Republicans out there say, because you hear many times Democrats calling all Republicans racist. All Republicans are racist. All Republicans are racist. And again, the three of us all know Republicans. And they're not racist. Right?

MARK HAYES (10:29.645)
They're not.

Herve Francois (10:56.444)
But if you are Republican and for years you are saying, you are not racist. I am not racist just because I'm a Republican. I am not racist just because I'm a Republican. OK, fine. I'm going to take you for your word at it. OK? I'm going to take you for your word. But for the love of God, when your leader goes ahead and puts something like that out, then you need to speak up if you truly are not a racist.

BROCK GANELES (11:21.303)
Yeah, you're racist. You're racist adjacent. I mean, it's like in 1938, Germany saying like, I'm not anti-Semitic, but yeah, you know, but you you shrug in your shoulders as they cart the Jews off, you know, to a concentration camp. Like you can, if it helps you sleep at night to try to trick yourself into thinking that's not who you are. I mean,

MARK HAYES (11:22.572)
Yeah.

Bye.

MARK HAYES (11:31.884)
Right. Just a little bit.

Herve Francois (11:32.764)
you

MARK HAYES (11:38.722)
to the furnace ovens, right.

BROCK GANELES (11:49.809)
It's just a game you're playing with yourself. has no connection to reality. What I wanted Democrats to do, Mark, not just to say the perfunctory that they're upset by this and unfit is I want them to tie it to a policy. So this is the messaging of a white supremacy leader. This is tie. This is project 2025 in a cart, in a racist cartoon. This isn't just a mentality. This is a

movement that is trying to reshape society by using its power and look at all these different actions that go behind the racism, the DEI, the deportations, the even tax policy, right? That benefits the wealthiest. Well, who's the wealthiest? Same old white guys, right? Just up and down the line, tie it to policy and get people thinking that it's, this isn't just some, you know, meme that they're trying to play off. This is like,

signaling an entire slate of actions, voter suppression, right? And, start talking about it that way. So you can find something that bothers someone that gets them to rethink their position. Cause I think that's the game is those people in the middle who are somehow still in the middle, right? To find something that

MARK HAYES (13:14.965)
BROCK GANELES (13:15.683)
aggravates them that gets them to finally flick the switch and say I can't even be standing next to this anymore

MARK HAYES (13:22.958)
Are there decent people in the middle?

MARK HAYES (13:30.604)
Mmm. Riddle me that one, Batman.

Herve Francois (13:31.9)
That's a happy.

Ha ha!

BROCK GANELES (13:35.749)
think there's selfish people in the middle selfish in that selfish that they feel so disconnected from others in their society that they can feel that they're not on board with the atrocities but they certainly don't feel any motivation to do anything so I mean I don't think there's good people in the middle I think there's lazy selfish people in the middle

maybe not the worst of the worst, but like they always say, right? In Germany was like, you know, the surprise of one third of the country, you know, wants to kill one third of the country while the other third stands by, right? It takes those people that stand by for atrocities to happen. So every day I think that I feel, you know,

MARK HAYES (14:24.15)
Happened right.

BROCK GANELES (14:31.799)
I feel more anger to people that consider themselves in the middle or say they're quote not political. Well, this isn't about being political at this point. This is about like society and caring about other people. So that's a long way of saying no.

Herve Francois (14:47.836)
Brok it's both. It's about caring for other people. like you eloquently stated before, it's also part of a bigger agenda. And you're 100 % right. It is part of a bigger agenda. The abolishment of DEI, the abolishment of affirmative action, voter suppression and redistricting and everything else like that. Firing high level African-Americans at the highest parts of all functions of government, our joint change of staff.

and so on and so forth, right? Making it more difficult for, you know, black women who are looking to get loans to go to nursing school, to get those loans to go to nursing school. So this is all, like you said, it's part of a bigger agenda. A lot of it is policy related. When he goes ahead and put out a post like that, that's not a policy, but that's just kind of pouring gasoline on the fire, right? And perhaps he did it with intent, which is why I'm even more so like on it. Hey, in case you guys

MARK HAYES (15:45.794)
But it... But...

Herve Francois (15:47.87)
didn't know this is what I think about black people in the Obama's.

MARK HAYES (15:52.129)
Right. But you know what, Irvay, this fuels the policy. It adds energy to the policy, right? Because you put this stuff out and then you say, hey, by the way, you know, we don't need all these educated Negroes around here, you know, talking all crazy to us. Let's defund the HBCUs, right? And now it makes sense because remember how up in arms

Herve Francois (15:57.885)
Sure, sure, Yes, yeah, 100%.

Herve Francois (16:14.438)
That's right, 100%.

Herve Francois (16:19.132)
It's all part of it.

MARK HAYES (16:21.698)
you know, these uppity Negroes all educated were, right? Let's put them back in their place and let's make it more difficult for them to go to school, for them to have the tools to be able to graduate and come out here and compete. You know, we're not that far away from when we weren't able to attend PWIs. Let's not forget that. My parents weren't allowed to attend PWIs.

Herve Francois (16:37.916)
But one of

Herve Francois (16:49.948)
Right, right, but Marc, I'm gonna tell you something right now. I might be sounding a little bit like Brock here, but this is why I'm willing to bet on America. Because what I have been proud about, and Brock at the end of every one of these podcasts, always say, Irving, you gonna go out and march now?

BROCK GANELES (17:01.868)
Hahaha

Herve Francois (17:03.642)
No, not yet. However, I have been encouraged by what I see, in regards to the pushback that we have been seeing on some of these policies that have been getting out there, right? And it's not just pushbacks from, let's say, the Obamas or Blacks, but those that are truly, truly getting their lives upended, right? You talk about voter redistricting. He calls up the governor of Texas, hey, I need you to go

MARK HAYES (17:33.218)
Herve Francois (17:33.519)
You didn't change up your map. So, you know, when midterms come around November, then we got a lock in, right? And the state of California voted. Not one person in Gavin Newsom, but the entire state voted. No, no, this is not right. This is not good. The way we're going to counter what Texas is doing is that we voted that we're going to be able to do the same thing in California. But what I liked about it is that they took it to a vote versus in Texas, they did not take it to a vote. Just the Texas legislator did it, right? So you're seeing this kind of pushback.

BROCK GANELES (18:00.825)
I hope.

Herve Francois (18:03.432)
You're seeing that Democrat in Texas that won a seat in the state Senate that has not been occupied by Democrats since reconstruction and won decisively, right? So this is the guy. So voters are showing up, right? Even though they're trying to do everything they can to curtail, perhaps potentially, midterm elections from happening, having ICE officers show up at the voting booths during the midterm elections this November, calling for the midterm elections, not to...

even take place and so on and so forth, right? But you're seeing the pushback and it's chopping wood. Seeing the pushback is seeing the resistance that the people of Minneapolis gave to ICE and God bless. And I'm not saying that illegal immigrants should be able to freely roam the country. I do believe there should be a path to citizenship. There have been a bipartisan laws put forward in order for that to be signed. They chose.

not to go ahead and sign it. if you're gonna go ahead and do it, if you're gonna go ahead and do it, then damn it, do it the right way. And they did not do it the right way. You went ahead and George Bush, the son, he admittedly,

was not the smartest guy in the room. He didn't know anything, but he was smart enough to surround himself with smart people. You can't blame him for that. Took a page out of Bill Gates' book, right?

Trump has done the complete opposite. Right? He has put people in position with absolutely no experience whatsoever to head these huge agencies with billion, multi-billion dollars, not trillion dollar budgets, right? A Fox News host to be head of Department of Defense, a podcast guy to be the head of the FBI and this lady, Kristi Noem to be head of DHS and all she does is shoot and kill her dogs. Right? So these people have, so now when shit

Herve Francois (20:03.804)
hits the fan in Minneapolis, everyone's pointing fingers at each other. No one knows what to do, how to do, and how to do it correctly. You send Tom Homan in there, who, by the way, was around when Obama was president, when they also had deported millions of immigrants in this country, but they did not do it in the violent manner that DHS is doing using ICE.

They targeted the illegal immigrants and went after them, particularly the criminals. Here, there's no targeting, right?

Not only until three, until two innocent Americans got shot and killed by our own ICE agents, three to four weeks deep into ICE being in city of Minneapolis, did Tom Homan come to Minneapolis and say, okay, now we're going to do targeted deportation. What the fuck were you doing in the past four weeks? Right? As you guys went ahead and killed two upstanding legal American citizens, right? So, go ahead.

BROCK GANELES (21:03.971)
And that's if you believe him, To me, that's just word salad. You know, saying what he thought he had to say to tamp down what was a losing game they were playing in Minneapolis. But as long as we're building warehouses slash concentration camps and there's daily quotas on these ICE agents, it can't be targeted.

MARK HAYES (21:09.751)
Right.

We're on it.

Herve Francois (21:18.044)
But you see them go all the way out. You see them go all the way out. Right.

BROCK GANELES (21:32.881)
It's got to be broad to fill these facilities and now it's big business and everyone's got to make money off of it. So to me, fighting these ICE detention centers becomes the new new battleground. know, ICE Minneapolis did their part of how to how to deal with a surge of agents. But now it's being spread out to all these warehouses all over the country and it's going to be smaller sporadic battles and it's going to have to be

Herve Francois (21:54.011)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (21:54.562)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (22:02.701)
local initiatives, local resistance. It's going to be harder.

Herve Francois (22:05.54)
Well, I think you're to see this. Well, I think you're going to see people take the page out of the book of Minneapolis. And that's the way they're going to have And I hope no one else dies. It's the saddest thing, seriously. No one needs to die off of this, right? But in resistance, that happens. I honestly believe that you will see folks in other cities

MARK HAYES (22:09.55)
Yeah, you're seeing,

MARK HAYES (22:14.238)
no, no.

Herve Francois (22:29.244)
provide a similar pushback to ICE agents because it worked. It didn't happen overnight. It took a long time, but it went from the killing of two American citizens to now a drawdown. Now, Brock, to your point, what happens is the ICE agents get shifted someplace else. What's going to be the next city that they go to and multiple cities that they go to? This is not about getting immigrants out the country because it was, you would start with the cities and the states that had the highest number of illegal immigrants. There are 130,000 illegal immigrants

immigrants in Minneapolis. There are over two million illegal immigrants in the state of Texas. There are 500,000 illegal European immigrants in the United States. You don't hear them going after the illegal European immigrants. So this is not about really deportation of illegal immigrants. We know what this is about, right? And Bracchia had said it, but this is more and more of a white supremacist movement. That is their policy that they're enacting over here.

MARK HAYES (23:03.854)
Texas.

BROCK GANELES (23:25.265)
Well, they go into Texas, then they run into that like, you know, rugged individualist, you know, Second Amendment gun owner who like wants government out of his business. And all of a sudden, he's got mass troops on his street. And he's a white guy, right with with the beard and gray and he's like, he's been ready to, you know, fight a war since the you know, he's he's he's pissed off that he missed out on the Civil War, right? So now he's ready to rumble. You don't want these

these troops on his streets. I think that's why they're, you know, they're politically staying away from what would cause an internal friction. Right. Plus that guy in Texas doesn't want to be told that he can't bring a gun to a protest either. Right. Cause it's like second, second amendment. You know, so it's a blue. Yeah. It's a blue state surge and it's a way to fuck with the blue states and try to get governors and mayors in trouble. And it has crippled Minneapolis. The mayor was on TV.

MARK HAYES (24:03.041)
Right.

Herve Francois (24:08.22)
You heard the push back, right? Pushed back and started getting on.

Herve Francois (24:17.349)
course.

MARK HAYES (24:21.069)
you

BROCK GANELES (24:23.845)
today talking about the economic hit that the city's taken and the people are afraid to leave the house so that they're, you know, hunger issues, right? It's, it's had a real human impact, even though we quote, we as the resistance think we won in Minneapolis, but the city's been ravaged.

MARK HAYES (24:26.733)
Woo!

Herve Francois (24:41.232)
It's a step back. Well, here we go. Is the wind going to be, how is the wind calculated or measured? Is the wind going to be calculated? And Mark, you brought this up. The people who are sitting in the middle in Minneapolis before the ICE agents came in, are you still sitting in the middle now?

BROCK GANELES (25:01.489)
I don't think so. I think they moved left. think they got appalled by what they saw in front of them.

MARK HAYES (25:05.131)
Big time.

Herve Francois (25:09.012)
And if that's the case, and Mark, and Brock, that's the case, and I agree with you, if that's the case, is that a win? As long as it might be a that's

MARK HAYES (25:09.503)
especially after the shooting are pretty and good.

BROCK GANELES (25:19.813)
That's a win. That's a win. It's a very costly win, right? It took a city to get ravage. It took two people to get shot in broad daylight. it was a expensive, painful win, but it was definitely a win and it definitely provided the blueprint for other cities. And I'm not even sure that ice is going to search cities in the same way ever again, having lost in that fashion. So it might be.

Herve Francois (25:23.238)
That's I'm talking about. Yes.

Right.

MARK HAYES (25:46.338)
Well, now not so fast, not so fast because remember Brock, I don't know if you remember me saying this Brock, but I believe the plan all along was to have black bodies out in front strewn in the street. And so I think the next time he needs a huge deflection and to change the narrative, he's going to go into a Brown city.

Herve Francois (25:49.884)
We'll see, right?

MARK HAYES (26:15.679)
and start snatching and disappearing black and brown people, knowing that you're gonna get a fight like they did in the BK when they went into the Haitian community. They're gonna go where they can get a fight, get some pushback, and start murdering black and brown folks, because that is what's gonna change everything, right? You kill a couple of white folks, we're gonna get a couple of investigations.

Herve Francois (26:26.844)
You said.

MARK HAYES (26:43.405)
We got investigations anyway, even though the feds didn't want them. We're getting them anyway. They're coming slow, but they are pushing for them. Now, because you remember how our armed troops met the folks that were protesting the George Floyd death. Remember when they got to Washington and saw all those storm troopers on the steps of the Capitol? That's what's waiting for us when we come outside.

Herve Francois (27:10.096)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

MARK HAYES (27:12.637)
I believe that's been the plan all along. Go ahead, Herb. That's exactly why. That's exactly why. Taking the temperature.

Herve Francois (27:15.376)
Mark

BROCK GANELES (27:15.461)
You think that's why he's talking Atlanta? You think that's why he's talking Atlanta today? He's starting to, he's starting to pitch some different cities where he knows he gets it.

Herve Francois (27:25.116)
I hear you on Atlanta, but listen, you know, what happened in Minneapolis, the entire world saw. And if you are now a resident that lives in a city that has been now marked for ICE agents to have their next surge, if it's going to be Atlanta, I hope it's not, but if it's going to be Atlanta, you're to have to what's my thing.

MARK HAYES (27:47.692)
we ain't playing that shit down here. We not gonna have that shit.

Herve Francois (27:51.569)
But Mark, that's my point, right? Y'all gonna be prepared in somehow some fashion and perhaps many fashions, you guys are going to be prepared. They ain't gonna catch Atlanta off guard the way that they caught Minneapolis. So they say, okay, we're gonna send a thousand troops to Atlanta. We're gonna send 2000 to Atlanta. We're gonna send three. Y'all gonna be prepared. Georgia is Georgia. Minnesota is Minnesota. Georgia, Georgia.

MARK HAYES (27:53.421)
You

MARK HAYES (28:16.557)
Two different worlds. Two different worlds. Night and day.

Herve Francois (28:18.844)
You know what saying? So folks in Georgia, folks in Georgia don't mess around like that. You want to come down here? Okay, fine. But what makes you think you're not going to be met with some resistance? And again, I do not wish for bloodshed. And I pray that none happens. But I'm telling you right now with the way I, people are not going to tolerate that. It's what the state senator in Minneapolis had said, in Minnesota had said. She said, look,

MARK HAYES (28:22.829)
No sir!

Herve Francois (28:47.196)
This is not targeted. All they're doing is they're pulled up to a car. They'll see a brown person in the car. They'll run his or her license plate. You'll come up Jose Rodriguez, and they said, let's pull him over. Not knowing if Jose Rodriguez is a friend, that's my thing. It's right because that's all profiling.

MARK HAYES (29:03.521)
Which is so fucking illegal!

Herve Francois (29:10.574)
It's all profiling, right? And whether or not they know Jose Rodriguez is an illegal immigrant or not. This is why they went into that man's house early in the morning. They busted down his door. They dragged him out in the snow only to bring him back hours later. Why? They found out he was not an illegal immigrant and he was not a criminal. Okay, fine. So why the hell did you bust down his door to begin with? You got no rhyme to reason as to who you're going after.

And why? And what I'm saying is, is if they try to pull that in Atlanta, in other cities, now that we've seen this has happened, it's gonna be met with resistance. I am not praying for violence. I don't want violence on either side. But damn it, there will be resistance. And Mark, we will...

BROCK GANELES (29:56.561)
It's a bit of the violence will be inevitable because first of all, you got proud boys and June sixers and three percenters. You've armed them to the gills. The reason they don't care is because in their minds, the agent on the street just thinks any brown person should be should be the fuck out of here. So they're not they're not looking to see who's who and who's legal. You know, then when they sent him a detention center and some lawyers get involved.

Herve Francois (30:11.547)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (30:19.991)
and some light shines on the situation, then the managers are like, that's bad PR. And then they let the citizens back out and keep everyone else. But the rank and file agent on the street, the fucking pieces of shit that they've hired in ICE, the abject racist that are running around with masks on heavily armed. Yeah, they are going to instigate violence. And it just comes to

MARK HAYES (30:42.155)
January 6th. January 6th.

Herve Francois (30:48.966)
Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (30:49.731)
what the response and the pushback is going to be. And as we're getting in the in the chat room is like they have to reinforce the Trump lies. They have to project that they're cleaning up crime, AKA black neighborhoods, right? They got to use the euphemisms and just clean them up. Right. But they have to reinforce the storyline that Trump is sold to America on why we're doing this in the first place or the Stephen Miller.

Doctrine that sits behind Trump, but as we know Trump's all too happy and willing to Spread the gospel because that's his That's his people but the violence is gonna be inevitable mark. There's no way they're gonna come into the streets of Atlanta and You know a primarily black downtown, right? They probably won't go to what's that neighborhood where all the white people live? Buckhead yeah, they probably won't spend a lot of time in Buckhead

Herve Francois (31:27.964)
That's the thing.

MARK HAYES (31:29.517)
from that state.

MARK HAYES (31:42.849)
Bucket! Bucket!

Buckhead. No, we've already shut. We shut down Buckhead to the black clubs and nighttime experiences because there was too much stuff going on, right? There are no more African American owned clubs and things in the Buckhead area because of this shooting, that shooting. I think the last one involved Puffy and the black mafia family. So, you know, look, Buckhead is off limits. It just like.

Herve Francois (31:48.132)
No, bucket nice.

MARK HAYES (32:15.245)
Beverly Hills was off limits during the Rodney King riots remember when remember when the movement started going that way all of sudden you saw waves of police officers coming Oh hold up now we can't be tearing up the nice white people shit Okay, we're not gonna do that, but I'm gonna tell you what you know here just like you know, we saw You know in movements past right black America is not gonna sit idly by

you know, and run roughshod over. We can't. We can't. If you look at social media, and I'm a social media hound and I hate to admit it, but we're seeing way too many instances of black people being pulled over and having to say, what are you pulling me over for? I don't even, how do I even know you're police? What do mean? Can you see my ID? Hell no, you can't. I don't even know who you are. But now we're testing the water. We're taking the temperature.

right, to see what happens, right, because look, you know, and Irve, we had this conversation a little bit last week and I prodded Brock on the fact that, you know, now the brown Americans and white Americans were being disappeared, shot, killed. Everyone wants to get out on the street, but where have we been for the past

I don't know 250 years when African Americans were terrorized, when our cities were burned down, when Black Wall Street was burned down, when Rosewood was burned down. had all these atrocities.

Herve Francois (33:52.893)
I'll easily answer that question for you. But Mark, I'll easily answer that question for you. It didn't impact them. You said black cities. said black Wall Street. They're like, this is not my backyard. Sadly, Steve, but not my backyard. So Brock asked me at the end of every podcast, are we going to protest that? And I always kind of give a similar response kind of thing. I wish Alex Prudy and Renee Good were still with us.

MARK HAYES (33:59.618)
Yeah, exactly.

MARK HAYES (34:05.996)
Right.

Herve Francois (34:23.312)
wish they had not died. I wish they had not died. But damn it, unfortunately, that's what it took for people to get to the streets. People of their own color. And said, enough is enough. Stop. Because if you can take out a Renee Good, mother of three, if you could take out Alex Peruti, a VA nurse, right, good citizen, everything, if you could take that out.

MARK HAYES (34:23.351)
terrible.

terrible.

Herve Francois (34:50.362)
Right? If you can take, then you can take any of us out. None of us feel safe. None of us are protected for just living an innocent life. Even if that means peacefully protesting, which both of were doing.

BROCK GANELES (35:04.369)
You guys think that right now black people haven't come out for the protests in a way they haven't gone to the fight. They've let white people do it. But you think that the Trump administration is starting to just test the waters about taking the fight to the black communities and waiting to see whether white people are going to support them?

Herve Francois (35:16.732)
That's

BROCK GANELES (35:33.025)
and or because you can't fill all these warehouses and until you got to start rounding up more people and I gotta believe black people are next on the list right so

Herve Francois (35:43.485)
I think it's gonna be multiple people on the list. I think it's gonna continue to be Latinos. I think it's gonna be, no doubt it's gonna be black folks as well. But you wanna go, you wanna send ICE agents into the hood? when you talk, like where you talk about black folks in the suburb, you talk about black folks in a nice city in Atlanta, or you're talking about black folks in East Baltimore. Like what you talking about? Because, oh my God.

MARK HAYES (35:43.712)
Makes perfect sense.

MARK HAYES (36:10.251)
Right? Erve? Erve? Remember Epstein wrote the book on this. If they take a page out of Epstein's book, you go into the hood and you grab black people because you think nobody's going to miss them. Right? You think nobody cares. Freddie Gray comes to mind in Baltimore. Right? You think nobody cares. And, you know, I don't know if they think all these kids are orphans or all these people on the street are orphans. You know.

Herve Francois (36:12.25)
Bro, whoa, watch out now.

MARK HAYES (36:39.233)
But you do it as a show, right? Because it's the brutality for Trump. Trump likes the brutality. So you go where you can have the least amount of resistance with the least amount of accountability, just like you did.

Herve Francois (36:51.26)
And this, my pushback to you on that is, is the word, the phrase least amount of resistance. I don't think no matter where they go anymore across this country, they'll be seeing the least amount of resistance. Not after what's happened in Minneapolis because people realize as innocent as they are, as legal as they are, their damn civil rights were violated.

Martin Luther King was talking what he was talking in the 60s. He wasn't just talking for black folk. He was talking about civil rights for everybody, right? And people realize in Minneapolis, as wide as they are, that their civil rights were violated because the laws apply to them too. So they want to go into their city and take the Freddie Grays type and everything else. Okay, all I'm saying is, I'm not saying they're not going to do that. Hear me clearly. I'm not saying they're not going to do that. I'm saying that if they do, they will be met with resistance.

MARK HAYES (37:15.232)
I hope so.

BROCK GANELES (37:42.831)
You think

Herve Francois (37:43.708)
they will be met with resistance and Brock to your point, God forbid, God forbid there may be bloodshed as well.

BROCK GANELES (37:51.193)
You think white people will come out and support if they're if they're in downtown Atlanta or in East Baltimore? Do you think?

Herve Francois (37:53.626)
you

MARK HAYES (37:56.399)
Oof.

Herve Francois (37:57.373)
I think, well, I think in a place...

BROCK GANELES (38:00.017)
Do you think white people are there yet? They were there in Minneapolis. Do you think white people will come into a black neighborhood and support or just join a black protest against ICE? You think they have to? You think they'll be there? I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful.

Herve Francois (38:03.004)
Whoa.

MARK HAYES (38:08.289)
They have to.

Herve Francois (38:08.314)
I think it's.

MARK HAYES (38:12.065)
They have to. They have to.

Herve Francois (38:14.123)
Yeah. Yeah. Because they're going to realize that these guys, they don't give a damn. They can come after us too. And this is what happens when it wasn't targeted. Because everything that you guys are talking about right now was something being more targeted than they were when they started in Minneapolis. In Minneapolis, they weren't targeted. They wind up killing Renee Good and Alex Peruti.

MARK HAYES (38:16.843)
They have to be there.

Herve Francois (38:35.708)
What you're talking about now is being targeted, going into the inner city, going specifically after black folks, going into this thing, but going specifically at that. That's a targeted operation, right? When it's not a targeted operation, people are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, hold on, pump the brakes. You're in my backyard. I'm legal. I pay bills. I got a job. I got kids. I'm in school. I never had a parking ticket. And you're putting guns at me? Hold on, that's a problem. That's a freaking problem, right? So, so look, if you're just talking about...

If it's more than, it's not just going after illegal immigrants, okay, fine. So now you're gonna go after people in the inner cities and everything else like that. All I'm saying is, folks are locking down, folks are buying their guns, folks are buying their face masks, and I don't wish for violence. I do not. But I also, I keep repeating this.

BROCK GANELES (39:29.177)
It's going to happen. OK, I mean, look, there's a lot of a lot of immigrants in the cities, right? If you're looking for me trying to fill these warehouses, you got to go to where the people are. Right. And I hope they make that mistake. I hope they go into a city not in New York. I think I think they'll stay away from New York. They'll probably go to a southern city figuring that every the white people there are racist, really racist, hardcore racist and won't show up. And because otherwise, if white people show up,

Herve Francois (39:39.494)
But they live anywhere though.

BROCK GANELES (39:58.243)
in black neighborhoods in droves, then Trump's unleashed the resistance that they probably can't handle. Right? We've been talking about it for a year. We've been talking about it for a year. What's that?

Herve Francois (40:08.656)
I-

MARK HAYES (40:09.097)
and never counted on. And never counted on, yep, they never counted on that. They never counted on white America coming to black America's aid or brown America's aid. They'd never counted on Somalians getting help from white Minnesotans. I, you know, the term is Minnesota nice, but they did.

Herve Francois (40:15.035)
Right.

Herve Francois (40:19.996)
And it was.

Herve Francois (40:26.268)
and never planned on white Minnesotans getting killed. And that's why we folks around the country, right, they're realizing

MARK HAYES (40:34.069)
No? wow.

BROCK GANELES (40:37.201)
But Irving, once white people get out there in support, you know, whether there's a lot of guns out there, there's a lot of pepper balls, like there's people getting blinded, you know, getting, you know, run over by cars and stuff like that. I mean, it's just the luck of the draw of who gets shot and who dies or who just gets severely injured. like violence is going to happen when you get those forces meeting out in the streets.

Herve Francois (41:01.2)
Right.

Herve Francois (41:05.788)
100%, 100%. And that's what I'm saying. If your agenda truly is to get illegal immigrants off the street, you could do that with a different agenda. But you're not doing it with the agenda that needs to be used. For example, the way that Obama got illegal immigrants off the street. He did it completely differently, completely differently.

BROCK GANELES (41:30.873)
Yeah, it can be done differently. You don't want to do it. They don't want to do it differently, right? This is how they want to do it. They want to do it in a we're in charge here, overt, loud way, right? Obama's administration did it in a quiet, like behind the scenes, efficient business like way. And some people didn't even like the way he did it, right? But they're doing it intentionally in a very like we're flexing our muscles kind of way.

MARK HAYES (41:31.563)
Well, he wouldn't got the worst of the worst.

No!

Herve Francois (41:59.879)
But Brock, my point is, okay,

BROCK GANELES (42:00.081)
So yeah, we're some comments about whites being out there in the Black Lives Matter movement protests, which was true. And then white America went back home to the suburbs and lived their lives and nothing really changed, which we talked about, but it was a little bit of a dry run, right? It was a little bit of a rehearsal for getting out there.

Herve Francois (42:07.302)
But,

Herve Francois (42:21.84)
Yeah. Yeah. Well, well, and again, because, you know, you

You guys play basketball, right? Right. And so you have big game coming up on a Saturday. You know the opponent, right? You would watch film. If you guys had film, right? You'd have the scouting report on the other team. You would prepare for that game, right? You're not preparing for the game that you're going to be playing two months from now. You're preparing for this Saturday's game for this Saturday's opponent. Those dudes going into Minneapolis, they didn't prepare for any opponents. They didn't, they didn't, they didn't watch any

They didn't have a scouting report. They just bum rushed Minneapolis and say, we here, we gonna up that up.

but we're gonna take anyone whomever, white, black, Latino, Asian, Vietnamese, we're gonna take everyone, you motherfuckers. There was no game plan. There was no scouting report. So what happened? They quote unquote lose the goddamn game. Whether it's measured by people in the middle in Minneapolis or no longer in the middle, they've freaking gone left and everything else like that, that there's a drawdown of troops going on, that freaking Kristi Noem gets her ass chewed out and Tom Holman has to go in and that Hitler guy

BROCK GANELES (43:18.297)
Yeah, they fucked up.

Herve Francois (43:34.291)
to wind up leaving too and everything else like that to me it's a lot yes so so maybe maybe the citizens of Minneapolis lost the battle

But they won the war, right? And it's sad that people had to lose their lives in order for the war to be won, but it was kind of a war. So now what we, because so many people across this country has seen on TV what's happened, I think collectively they're like, you know what? No matter what color these ICE agents are, they are not with us.

We can't sit here and say, let's support ICE because they're trying to get all the brown and black people out of the country or illegals out of the country. Because you realize they're not. You realize that ICE is OK with killing innocent white civilians. So now they've got very little support. I know DeepMaga support them and everything else like that. But DeepMaga supports them up to a point up until their own civil rights.

isn't violated because ICE isn't stopping to ask you whether or not you're a Democrat or Republican. They don't give a damn. They just, but what they are is they're going to the blue cities. So they can minimize that mistake of roughing up a MAGA person. Cause most likely they're in a blue city. So they're going to go to Atlanta. They try to go to Memphis, Memphis pushback. Mark said they went into Brooklyn, Brooklyn pushback. Right? So people there's now there's a script before Minneapolis. really wasn't much.

BROCK GANELES (44:49.626)
Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (45:03.673)
Yeah, yeah, but I thought I looked at it little different. I was kind of like Minneapolis won the battle, but there's like a long war ahead of us because it's just because DHS is too well funded. I mean, we gave him so much money in that big, ugly bill that it's just out of control, right? It's it's it's here for the it's here for the long game, right? It's going to take a lot of battles won.

MARK HAYES (45:16.461)
yeah.

Herve Francois (45:27.228)
a lot of battles, it's gonna be a lot of battles. It's a David and Goliath situation, man. It's a lot of battles. And people are like, enough is enough, man. You know, if you guys don't wanna have a script on how are you gonna carry out this freakin' agenda, okay, fine. But you ain't gonna do it by coming into cities and just randomly killing people because you can, and then manufacturing a freakin' lie, not once but twice. On both killings, manufacturing lies on how it went down. Come on, man, when it's on video tape.

MARK HAYES (45:31.722)
MARK HAYES (45:51.211)
Well...

MARK HAYES (45:56.626)
That's the playbook for killing black folks. They thought it would work, killing white folk, but it won't.

Herve Francois (46:00.157)
Yeah, but then they did the same thing on white folks, You know, I've seen you. Right? That's my point. That's

MARK HAYES (46:03.231)
I know, but it didn't work. It didn't work. You know? I guess white people believed their eyes when they saw it actually happen to other white people.

Herve Francois (46:11.504)
What happens to them? They're like, shoot.

BROCK GANELES (46:13.233)
White people don't look at other white people as such a threat, right? Renee did drive in that car. She wasn't a threat that she was going to run someone over. Even Alex Preti, who was armed, not viewed as a threat by white people. White people are just kind of like, he's allowed to have that gun. He was just out there protecting people. So we are very really quick to jump to the innocent nature.

Herve Francois (46:18.14)
That's.

MARK HAYES (46:19.095)
Exactly.

Herve Francois (46:24.924)
Yes!

Right.

MARK HAYES (46:28.628)
and grassland.

MARK HAYES (46:32.589)
Yep.

Herve Francois (46:36.22)
Evil.

MARK HAYES (46:38.989)
and he was wrestling with the police. So let me ask you this in honor of the Reverend Jesse Jackson who passed just the other night and Dr. King. How do we find a non-violent solution to deal with Trump, MAGA and the state of fascism in America? Like, I don't know how we approach that with non-violence. Do you?

Herve Francois (47:06.588)
I don't encourage violence.

So for me, it still needs to be nonviolence. It still needs to be peaceful protest. But I will tell you nonviolence, so-called peaceful protest, I think it does have an impact with volume, with numbers of people. And I think that's what happened in Minneapolis. wasn't that folks in Minneapolis got armed up and said, we're going to go out there and shoot and kill ICE folks. And they didn't do that, right? But they just came out in numbers.

in five degree weather for the love of God. They came out in numbers on a Monday evening, on a Tuesday morning, on a Wednesday night. They came out in numbers and it took a while and it took two people losing their damn lives and everything else like that. Because it goes to Brock's point, we're not gonna out gun ICE. They got billions of dollars, they got thousands of troops and billions of arms. So you're not gonna, you're not gonna, and I'm not advocating for that too. Let's take up arms and go to

MARK HAYES (48:03.191)
Can't beat the government.

Herve Francois (48:09.304)
like freaking war on the streets of ICE. I'm not advocating for that. That's a lost cause kind of a thing, right? And I don't want to see people get harmed, but I am for the freaking peaceful protest. Listen, Mark, I think it's a protest. think it's getting lawyers involved early, early and often and everything else like that and getting them to slow roll. Lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit, get them out of the city, get them off the street. They're not allowed to

MARK HAYES (48:30.903)
Thanks.

Herve Francois (48:39.144)
Be here, sue them left and right. Sue the agent, sue the, hey, listen, if you're gonna wear a face mask, Mr. Agent, I'm gonna wear a face mask at this peaceful protest too. So you can't use facial recognition software on me. Let's go. I'm telling you, man, but it has to be in numbers. It has to be the numbers.

MARK HAYES (48:57.879)
You know what's funny, Brock? There was, after the Trayvon Martin silent protest by the Miami Heat when they wore their hoodies on the floor, led by LeBron and D. Wade. My son was coming home from prep school with his hockey bag, his book bag, and his stick bag through the Atlanta airport, and he had his hoodie on.

Herve Francois (49:10.14)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Herve Francois (49:25.852)
Mm-hmm.

MARK HAYES (49:27.177)
These are tales from black America. He walks through the airport, I'm outside waiting for him, and I see him coming through the doors with his hoodie on. And when he gets within about 10 feet of me and I'm looking to see if there's anybody else around, I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? Why are you wearing that hoodie in an airport? I was like, do you not see what they are doing to young black men with hoodies on?

Herve Francois (49:29.222)
Right.

Herve Francois (49:37.5)
Mmm.

Herve Francois (49:46.289)
Yeah.

Herve Francois (49:55.83)
That was our reality. That's right.

MARK HAYES (49:56.216)
Take it off. And he's like, Dad, I can't take it off. I'm like, what are you talking, just get in the car. He gets in the car, he sits down and he pulls his hoodie off. And he said, Dad, I had the hoodie on because my alopecia is acting up and my hair is all spotty in different places. Broke my heart. Broke my heart. That I'm screaming at my kid.

Herve Francois (50:02.64)
Right.

Herve Francois (50:14.652)
gotta gotta gotta gotta gotta yeah yeah yeah yep

MARK HAYES (50:23.531)
because of the state of this society and how they treat someone. This kid is coming from a $60,000 a year prep school with his books, with his hot bag and he still looks suspect. And I'm thinking about it in the back of my mind saying, my God, I have to remind him that he just can't walk around any way he feels like.

Herve Francois (50:26.896)
Yeah, man. Yeah.

Herve Francois (50:34.662)
Right.

Right, right.

Herve Francois (50:50.832)
Right, right.

MARK HAYES (50:52.173)
And now we ride home in silence with me apologizing over and... Okay, that happened in 2007, I mean, yeah, 2008. I'm still like traumatized by it. I'm still bothered by it.

Herve Francois (51:01.948)
Yeah.

Herve Francois (51:10.074)
Yeah.

But Mark, you were just trying to do the best for your son as a father, not knowing obviously what was going on with his hair at the time. If you knew in advance, you probably wouldn't have told him that. You were trying to protect your son, no different. was trying to protect my sons, you know, at that time who were younger than yours and were kind of like six, seven years old, right? So we could, you know, have them sheltered and everything else like that. But my God, man, that was real. had to. listen, a lot of folks don't really understand

and the nuances sometimes and what we have to go through and something like that happens, right? And this is when you start telling me, he's at that $60,000 a year prep school, he's playing hockey and you're telling me can't be wearing this hood like that and everything else like that. And listen, God bless him. At some point it's like, dad, how come I can't do this? Like my white counterparts who go to the same school I do and are on my hockey team and so on and so forth.

And you have to tell them as painful as it is, because it's different for you, I'm not. Who's that?

MARK HAYES (52:08.907)
Well, you know...

MARK HAYES (52:13.697)
You know who else asked that question? What'd you say right there at the end? Because it's different for you, You know who else asked that question? I asked my father that question in 1983. Dad, how come I don't have a prom date? Because it's different for you, son.

Herve Francois (52:20.452)
Right. Yeah.

Herve Francois (52:26.012)
There you go. There you go.

BROCK GANELES (52:26.553)
Yeah, he's great.

Herve Francois (52:34.396)
A prom date. Right? Right. Right.

MARK HAYES (52:36.949)
I didn't have a prom date at our high school. The white girls that I liked, their parents wouldn't let them go with me.

Herve Francois (52:42.512)
No, that ain't going to happen. Not 1983. No.

MARK HAYES (52:44.397)
Not in 83. Uh-uh.

BROCK GANELES (52:47.131)
So those are scenarios white families and fathers didn't have to address, right? That fear was not something they've ever worried about. And that's why I'm a little, little optimistic, but cautiously optimistic that if ICE goes into, you know, predominantly black city, predominantly black neighborhoods in a city that white people are going to feel aren't going to

aren't going to take the bait that they're there because of the crime and they got to clean up the crime and they've been called in by the mayor and everyone knows that like, you know, with the fake bullshit lies and crimes into the fear and that white people don't feel the kindred camaraderie with their black brethren because they fall right back into the stereotypes so ingrained in them and we don't get that solidarity.

that I'm worried about it. I know you guys are probably more optimistic than I am and I just worry that the response could fall flat. If it falls flat, then we're just so screwed.

Herve Francois (53:57.031)
Brock, I don't know if there's going to be a lot of support from the white community if ICE starts going into these predominantly Black and Brown cities. I don't know. I hope so. I don't know. But I will tell you this. I would not be surprised if the state of mind of Black and Brown folks in those inner cities are like,

We've been fighting on our own for our entire goddamn life. Because they're sure as shit not expecting white folks to come and protest them. Because they've been doing it by themselves their whole damn life. went in and posted, I think, about George Floyd during that time. You did see a lot of white people come out and protest and everything. We remember that. It was only six years ago and so on and so forth. I was at some of those protests. Yes, there was a lot of white folks at those protests. And I guess you saw a man's

MARK HAYES (54:43.021)
So.

Herve Francois (54:52.156)
rights, right, and life being taken away from him in a slow eight-minute period where we're all confined in our house because of the pandemic and so on and so forth, right? So again, if I'm a betting man...

BROCK GANELES (55:06.888)
Because ice protests are more dangerous. We know that already, right? We've seen it. Like it's one thing to just protest the death that happened before. It's another thing to be out there kind of being disruptive against a bunch of three percenters that have masks and advanced weaponry, right? Like these are, hey, I've been to some protests. I waltzed down Fifth Avenue with three police eating donuts. Me and Mark always laugh about it. It was a very polite march. I felt like we sent a message, but

MARK HAYES (55:10.785)
Yeah.

Herve Francois (55:22.608)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (55:23.212)
So thank you.

MARK HAYES (55:31.829)
No police needed.

BROCK GANELES (55:33.381)
but I never felt at risk or a threat for a second. To me, an ICE protest with a lot of people walking around with machine guns is going to have a different vibe to it. That's why I think it's a bigger leap to get white people out there with black people when that day comes. And I just feel like it's inevitable. You can't fill all these concentration camps unless you start rounding up more different.

MARK HAYES (55:38.401)
No police needed.

MARK HAYES (55:43.67)
Different story.

Herve Francois (55:46.938)
Yes, it is.

MARK HAYES (56:00.738)
people. All right, gentlemen, listen, we got to get up out of here. You got any quick hits? I'll go first. Keep them quick, gentlemen. USA wins 2-1 over Sweden. Big win, big win. Final four now. Now, who do we cheer for? USA versus Canada.

BROCK GANELES (56:01.723)
People, types of people, colors of people, persuasion.

Herve Francois (56:03.568)
Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (56:19.472)
mechanic.

I'll post up.

MARK HAYES (56:25.131)
I could be coming for the goal! Could be coming for the goal!

BROCK GANELES (56:30.925)
Okay, quick, quick, quick hit. Yes or no. Did you guys see the video of R.F.K. Jr. and Kid Rock doing like a workout video with their shirts off? That's only in the White Guy feed, White Guy algorithms. You don't have to Google and search that one. Okay, in maybe the most aggravating news of the day.

MARK HAYES (56:31.447)
happening this weekend. Go Rocks!

Herve Francois (56:40.988)
I did not.

MARK HAYES (56:41.249)
Nope, don't watch that. can't just be throwing up.

Yeah, it's not gonna be on my feed.

Herve Francois (56:49.596)
BROCK GANELES (56:59.361)
is that they've done studies now and it looks like so far that Tesla's automatic driving auto cars are causing four times more accidents than human drivers.

MARK HAYES (57:09.356)
Mm-hmm.

MARK HAYES (57:13.995)
Yeah. Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (57:15.173)
How the fuck are we letting this fucking a hole run roughshod over all? How is he getting funding for this shit? How is this still because of course, cause he's bribed his way into a position of influence.

Herve Francois (57:29.66)
It was. I did not hear that statistic.

MARK HAYES (57:31.277)
honey talk, whole ship runs to Arizona.

BROCK GANELES (57:32.461)
I just saw it today. I just saw it today. You know, because he skimps on the fucking work. He's not like a genius. He's just trying to make money and jam shit out there. Yeah, your neighborhood is a testing ground for his cars. Good luck with your kids out there playing hopscotch on the sidewalk. So that's my latest on Elon Musk. he... Mark Irving, you got anything for us? Okay.

MARK HAYES (57:35.991)
Yeah.

Herve Francois (57:38.833)
MARK HAYES (57:41.737)
Other people are doing the work.

MARK HAYES (57:49.805)
All right.

Herve Francois (57:53.853)
play hockey in the streets. I'll leave it here. I got something for you, man. I absolutely love my bad buddy. Hey, Bobby. I love my bad buddy. I think he did an outstanding job. So much culture, so much of the sugar canes, the bodega.

MARK HAYES (57:54.861)
All right, jeez.

MARK HAYES (58:04.681)
I'm sorry.

Herve Francois (58:13.948)
the wedding, the five year old sleeping at a party that was me, five year old, a long time ago. I had a party on the sleep because it was so damn late and parents were freaking dancing their asses off. I thought it was absolutely lovely. He went ahead and showed flags of so many South Americans, Central American as well as US as well towards the end. He had people out there. He had the dancers out there. I think it was beautifully done. I think it was respectfully done. Yeah, man.

MARK HAYES (58:40.173)
the answers.

you

Herve Francois (58:44.002)
So I put my hat to him, outstanding job. I hope they just continue on that, right? I mean, I hope they continue on that trend, right? It's all about culture. You got a billion of eyes watching this game on a worldwide basis on a Sunday afternoon, right? And I mean, you have to bring out entertainers that are gonna get everybody out of their seat, not someone just in like some particular locale. And you hear all this political BS, backlash and things like that.

MARK HAYES (59:12.662)
Right.

Herve Francois (59:13.822)
Yeah, great job. Great job.

BROCK GANELES (59:16.585)
You think it moved a needle. think it moved multicultural America took a step forward that day, even though the 20 % of MAGA was up in arms and like turned it off and did some other bullshit during halftime. Not at all.

Herve Francois (59:22.992)
Well.

Herve Francois (59:30.522)
I don't think it moved the needle at all. No, no.

No, I don't think you move the needle one damn bit. Some folks, you listen, you heard the level of ignorance. Puerto Rico's not America. Okay, I can't deal with you. I can't speak with you. You know what I mean? It's like, don't even know, like, where do I begin when you say, when I hear shit like that? So I left it alone. Go watch your freaking Kid Rock turning point bullshit. You know what I mean? And the rest of the world, we'll be watching, you know, Bad Bunny and so on and so forth. No idea who they're gonna have next year, but you know, hopefully it's gonna be someone who's gonna be as electrifying and it's going to be as, you know, captivating.

BROCK GANELES (59:42.48)
there.

MARK HAYES (59:45.655)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (59:57.858)
channel.

Herve Francois (01:00:04.798)
you know, as Bad Bunny was this year and Kendrick Lamar last year.

MARK HAYES (01:00:08.343)
for sure. for sure. Looking forward to it. All right, gentlemen. Great discussion. Really enjoyed it. I got to run. I got a hungry dog here gnawing on my ankle. Yes, not going to

Herve Francois (01:00:12.603)
Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (01:00:20.596)
Perfect. Thank you as always, Mark. Always a pleasure. I will talk to you tomorrow. All right, bye bye. Bye.

Herve Francois (01:00:24.985)
Alright guys, take care.

MARK HAYES (01:00:26.463)
Alright, sounds good, gents. Peace.