2 Men In Black and White: An Honest Conversation

MARK HAYES (00:01.518)
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another exciting edition of Two Men in Black. Just a couple of guys, couple of old friends from back in the day trying to continue the pursuit and advocation for justice in America. We want it to be colorblind. We understand it is not. So we are trying to understand our communities better and better through our respective communities, the Black.

and Jewish American communities. Brock Enelis is with me from the beautiful confines of the upper Hudson River Valley just outside New York City. And Brock, heard a good one today. Check this out. So basically, know, MAGA was right is what they're saying now. I was told that if I voted for Kamala Harris, gas prices would go through the roof, the economy would tank. We'd be in a war with Iran. Right? I voted for Kamala Harris.

And all those things happened.

There you have it, right? In a nutshell, in a nutshell. And all the Epstein files have yet to be released, right? Because we have wagged the dog, right? The dog is dead now. He's been, the tail has been wagged so much. But let's begin Brock with no way out. know, Trump's kill your way out of this isn't gonna work. 90 million people live in Iran.

90 million. You're not killing your way out of there. They're kicking our ass right now, which is why you have all this, you know, off-ramp talk. So his latest deadline is April 6th. What say you?

Brock Ganeles (01:46.436)
So that's the 10 day moratorium, right? That he's slapped on there because negotiations are going so well. I mean, we've kind of been here in our whole lives, right? Wars are easy to get into and hard to get out of. This was an easy one to get into, right? Bring some ships into the, into the sea. Some, you know, fly a bunch of planes, drop a bunch of bombs and okay, we're in the war.

MARK HAYES (01:49.996)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (02:14.659)
We're celebrating our tactical acumen, but there's always unforeseen outcomes, although this was the simplest and most foreseeable outcome that the Strait of Hormuz would get jammed up one way or the other and oil would not flow in the same way that it normally does and oil prices would go up and it would affect the global economy.

MARK HAYES (02:20.396)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (02:44.037)
And I mean, that's the simplest one. so, OK, so now gas prices are up a dollar plus nationally everywhere. So the American consumers feeling it. I thought one of the more interesting highlights of today or low lights of today was the fact that the S &P 500 was down close to 2 percent. And that just is finally telling you that the the moneyed class has lost confidence.

MARK HAYES (03:02.104)
You

Brock Ganeles (03:14.233)
in this war in our ability to get out of this war without medium at least damage. And just, think it's a vote of no confidence on Trump in general that they just want to get in essence, sell, get out of the way and, you know, come back into the marketplace when this has been figured out. But I don't think it's the last day that the market tanks because we're stuck. We're fucking stuck.

MARK HAYES (03:41.506)
Right. Right.

Brock Ganeles (03:43.619)
You tell me what is a viable end game for America here? I want us to just pack up our bags, declare victory and send everybody home.

MARK HAYES (03:57.249)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (03:59.044)
Will Israel and Saudi Arabia let us do that? Or are they still the decision makers and they're telling Trump the job's not done and you'll look bad if you pull out now? So they somehow have shamed him into continuing?

MARK HAYES (04:02.765)
Ha!

MARK HAYES (04:19.418)
Or they have Jared and they're telling them they're going to Khashoggi him if they don't continue bombing. We might have a hostage situation. Have we seen Jared lately? Where the hell is he? And why are we aligning ourselves with this sociopath in Saudi Arabia? I mean, we know this guy is nuts. I mean, the guy is a psycho.

Brock Ganeles (04:47.993)
Yeah, he doesn't care. He doesn't care. Iran's their enemy. He's winning on all of this. The other person who's as absent as Jared is Marco Rubio. I mean, he is the Secretary of State, isn't he? Like he's the number one diplomat in America. And I can't remember the last time I've seen him make a statement. I don't even...

MARK HAYES (04:49.614)
He could care less.

MARK HAYES (05:07.534)
He's a moron. Right.

Brock Ganeles (05:16.153)
get the sense that he's even involved at all in any of the discussions that are going on in the Middle East? Is he?

MARK HAYES (05:22.198)
Right. Not that I've heard. I haven't seen anything from him.

Brock Ganeles (05:26.565)
Have you ever seen a Secretary of State so absent in a time of war? I mean, it's kind of amazing. He's the invisible man.

MARK HAYES (05:29.868)
No!

MARK HAYES (05:34.604)
Yeah, it's ridiculous. It really is.

Brock Ganeles (05:36.249)
You got Jared and that other real estate guy have been the ones running around the Middle East getting their palms greased.

MARK HAYES (05:41.315)
Right?

MARK HAYES (05:45.07)
The corruption is every the corruption. It's amazing how focused all these government officials are on increasing their own wealth and lining their own pockets. Meanwhile, fleecing the American people and the American people. We're just sitting here taking it. We are just taking it like why have we not demanded that Donald Trump step down? Donald Trump get the fuck.

out of there. JD Vance, better step in there and act like a normal human being. But we've got this loony tune in there who's doing everything he can to keep us. We already know the real Donald Trump, the rapist, the sexual predator, the maniac sociopath that he is. We already know. We've seen enough of the Epstein file. Now we want the whole shebang.

Right? We know how many lives that the Epstein, you know, sex trafficking pipeline has claimed. Even those that didn't die are scarred for life. You know why? Because they're telling us they are. They were children when it happened. They were teens. And they're in their 30s and 40s now, and they're telling us that the effects are still lasting. that's a fucking surprise. No, it isn't because

the trauma they suffered was incorrigible. And all of those who took part in the Epstein sex trafficking pipeline need to be punished. It should be more than Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell in prison right now.

Brock Ganeles (07:30.726)
Well, we haven't seen a shred of new documentation on the Epstein files in a good month. But I'll tell you what disappoints me. I'm disappointed that there aren't more voices calling for impeachment. I mean, yes, you can call for 25th Amendment, but we kind of know that administration is not going to step up. That fucking group is not going to step up and walk away from Trump.

MARK HAYES (07:34.454)
No. No. What, two months? Yeah.

MARK HAYES (07:44.898)
Yep. Yep.

MARK HAYES (07:54.688)
at all.

Brock Ganeles (07:56.74)
Why is there not more talk of impeachment? Even on the democratic side, we should have a louder drumbeat about the fact that Trump is unfit to be president of the United States and constantly pointing out exactly why, be it the corruption, be it his disgraceful, you know, breaking international law, but also just a really disgraceful management as commander in chief. You know, just

in the Epstein files. mean you just every day there could be a new reason for impeachment on why Trump is unfit and

MARK HAYES (08:33.464)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (08:36.601)
Try to make that more of a story. Make more of the story be the discussion that two thirds of the country disapproves of Trump. And he's corrupt, and he's a pedophile, and he's unfit to be commander in chief. So, hey, MAGA politicians, how are you still supporting this?

MARK HAYES (08:43.512)
right.

MARK HAYES (08:50.54)
Right.

MARK HAYES (08:57.898)
Right. Makes no sense.

Brock Ganeles (09:00.613)
You know, it may not change their behavior, but may change the narrative of what we talk about here in the country. And we should be talking about Trump's removal, not trying to put sanity around his lunacy and pretend like there's a strategy behind what he's working on. Like he says the election was rigged because he needs to stay in power because

MARK HAYES (09:08.672)
Right. Right.

MARK HAYES (09:18.625)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (09:28.845)
If he doesn't stay in power, the Epstein files come out and he's exposed as one of the world's greatest sexual offenders. Right. So he's he's got to protect that. So everything he says is in protection of that behavior because he knows what's in those files. So he's got to do scratching claw not to allow it to happen. But we on the left.

MARK HAYES (09:51.906)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (09:57.54)
have to keep bombarding the airwaves and the narrative and the national discussion as to the fact that Trump is unfit for the job. the Iran war has just, I mean, it's just been glaring. I mean, it's the worst managed military operation in American history.

MARK HAYES (10:20.78)
Well, I mean, you can't have a successful military operation without planning. And this was poorly planned and executed with neolithic incompetence. I mean, this was like something they just pulled out of their ass and said, hey, yeah, why don't we go bomb Iran today? I'm not busy this afternoon. Are you? right here. Push the button.

I mean, I'm shocked that military leaders, the brass in our military are putting our men and women in harm's way like this just on the what up though, on the willy nilly. I'm shocked.

Brock Ganeles (11:01.263)
That there have not been resignations?

MARK HAYES (11:03.918)
and resignations, know, flat out defiance. Somebody standing up and saying, wait a minute, you're gonna get, you know, thousands of American soldiers, you know, killed and hacked up and maimed. We're also gonna spend billions of dollars on resources in a war that you can't win. And in a war that we have no good

purpose for. That's the problem that pisses me off. No one can tell us why we're in this war with Iran. But Iran can tell you they've been waiting for this shit. Because they've been preparing for 20 years. And now they're kicking our asses. We're sorry about it and we can't get out. Now we got to tuck tail and run. And we really don't look like the world's preeminent superpower right now.

Brock Ganeles (12:03.109)
Well the real reason behind the war is creating a massive problem for American Jews, much of it of their own doing, by know kind of playing games with Trump, tacitly approving of his behavior because he's quote pro-Israel, turning the other cheek and being accepting of what went on in Gaza and just the absolute destruction of the

MARK HAYES (12:20.022)
Mm-hmm.

Brock Ganeles (12:33.029)
people of Gaza and the war crimes that went on there and being supportive of that all the way through because of the, you know, October seven, we understand the revenge that they wanted. But now this next step of, of, of being supportive of Netanyahu and allowing him and being tacitly complicit with him, manipulating our dementia ridden leader to get us into this war and to stay supportive.

of in essence Israel, even though they're being led by a lunatic also, which has taken them down a terrible path. But the fact that we've allowed and played along with America being sucked into this war is just just disgraceful. And the fact that we still let AIPAC run around and manipulate primaries and decide even on the left and the Democratic Party, which candidates

are going to have an advantage in primaries because they're throwing so much money at it when they're single issue pack, right? They're just a pro Israel, pro Netanyahu pack. Really, they're not.

And you know, Hakeem Jeffries and Schumer and all these APAC funded politicians in the Democratic Party will not make a strong statement against this war. Will not make a strong statement against Israel manipulating the U.S. into this war because they're funded by APAC and that's pro-Israel money. And the Democratic Party has totally fallen down on this Iran war because our leaders of the party

MARK HAYES (14:15.458)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (14:15.505)
are heavily lobbied and funded and protectors in essence of the Israel lobby and Netanyahu has taken Israel off course as far as Trump has taken America off course. And to be supportive of Netanyahu at this point to me is sheer lunacy. within this whole mess of comments that I just made, it's created waves of anti-Semitism in America and

MARK HAYES (14:35.106)
Right.

MARK HAYES (14:44.259)
Well...

Brock Ganeles (14:45.313)
It's just going to make life worse for American Jews and a lot of it is our own doing.

MARK HAYES (14:53.878)
Yeah, let's dive into that a little bit because I still don't really understand America's obsession with anti-Semitism. Tell me a little bit about how Americans feel, Jewish Americans, are they aligned with what Israel is doing and that's what creates the anti-Semitism? Or is it just the fact that they are American Jews?

Brock Ganeles (15:23.151)
No, think it's a split. I think there's a split amongst American Jews, although I think I'm still in the minority as being as aggressively anti Netanyahu as I am. think if my friend group is indicative and my circle of Jews in my circle is indicative, there's still a pro-Israel

sentiment even and even a support for Netanyahu even if it's a hold your nose and and support Netanyahu because he is the leader of Israel because Israel's only always under attack so therefore you can justify just about any aggressive action that Israel takes because they're surrounded by enemies and it's true they are surrounded by enemies but you can't be in my opinion

That doesn't mean you should be supportive of any military action Israel takes just because they're surrounded by enemies. Like that's not a, you know, get it, you know, a get out of war crimes, free card, right? That doesn't totally justify any action. So just like you say, blacks aren't a monolithic. mean, Jews mostly vote democratic, but they vote democratic in a for

mostly, you know, primarily for politicians that are pro-Israel. Democratic parties tend to be pro-Israel. And right now there's a rift in the Democratic Party between those that think Israel committed war crimes in Gaza and those that think it was, you know, justified retaliation.

MARK HAYES (16:50.894)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (17:06.209)
I don't see how this Iran war isn't a bridge too far, but the fact that Israel has manipulated the United States into a war that is causing severe damage on the U S economy and in essence is hurting American national interests. There's no way that's going to not, that has no way of not triggering additional antisemitism because it's just going to mean non-Jewish Americans are just going to be more pissed at Israel.

MARK HAYES (17:10.222)
Goodbye.

MARK HAYES (17:23.629)
No doubt.

MARK HAYES (17:31.182)
do think?

Brock Ganeles (17:35.619)
Those fuckers manipulated our idiotic president into this shitty war that's forcing me to pay a dollar a gallon more in gas. So you're gonna get mad at Jews. So anti-Semitism is on the rise and it's gonna be on the rise because it's...

MARK HAYES (17:45.123)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (17:55.224)
more Americans gonna be lashing out at Israel for fucking America, which is what they did. They fucked America.

MARK HAYES (18:03.192)
Big time.

Brock Ganeles (18:04.087)
still fucking America because they won't stop this war, right? So now they want US troops in there and like there's the manipulation still going on. So yeah.

MARK HAYES (18:13.228)
Yep. And we're falling for it. The banana in the tailpipe. Breaking news happening right now. Trump says he's gonna sign an order to pay the TSA agents. Finally, because that shit's a mess.

Brock Ganeles (18:26.405)
From where? First of all, Congress is in charge of the purse strings. So how does Trump's executive order actually have any relevance or validity when we have a separation of powers and the president does not have the power of the purse? Budgeting is done by the Congress. So tell me how this executive order, where's the money coming from? Is he just gonna

MARK HAYES (18:48.279)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (18:56.569)
tell the treasury secretary and we're just going to print money or he's got the ATM code and he's just going to

MARK HAYES (19:04.352)
A national emergency, he's saying.

Yep, I'm reading in that Democrats have been refusing.

Brock Ganeles (19:09.433)
He's going to call it a national emergency. I don't know. That's going to end up at the Supreme Court. Once again, it's another bullshit. Pull it out of his ass. I got to get myself out of this because everybody's mad about what's going on at the airport. So I'm going to make something up. And now that's going to have to go to the Supreme Court because based on the constitution, Trump doesn't have the authority.

MARK HAYES (19:32.461)
Right. Well, remember what this is all about, right? This is all about the funding of Homeland Security and ICE, right? And those billions and billions of billions of dollars that were given to ICE to go round up brown people and others, right? Because that's what's going on here. The Democrats have refused to sign off on these spending bills because it includes DHS.

and the nightmare that they've created in America.

Brock Ganeles (20:05.957)
So they've already come to Trump with a revised bill that would fund TSA and not fund DHS and ICE and he turned that down. So instead he's going to write an executive order and pretend like he's the one that's decided this instead of actually just signing or endorsing the bill that the Senate was working on. He's a fucking idiot. I mean,

MARK HAYES (20:13.986)
Right. H-S. The interrupt ball.

MARK HAYES (20:33.74)
Right. Right.

Brock Ganeles (20:35.747)
This is the idiocy that go that everyone is dancing around because we actually have no logic in our political system because the leader is a dementia ridden narcissistic fucking moron.

MARK HAYES (20:52.128)
No. Yep. Yep.

Brock Ganeles (20:55.205)
So this executive order is just gonna be another fucking clusterfuck and it's gonna have to go to the courts and then Congress is gonna have to, know, Congress doesn't have to really do anything. Now the courts will have to decide whether Trump has that authority. I'm pretty certain he does not.

MARK HAYES (21:11.214)
and TSA and Americans will suffer in the meantime.

Brock Ganeles (21:16.579)
In the meantime, but Trump's just grandstanding here because he's trying to look like he's the hero trying to get shit done. Because the approvals at 30 fucking 4 % and declining and it's probably down a little bit more because when the SMP 500 is down 2 % now you're going to peel off some of those upper middle class to upper class white people now are going to start getting pissed because that finally, finally they're impacted.

MARK HAYES (21:22.254)
Right.

MARK HAYES (21:27.572)
as as ever, right?

Brock Ganeles (21:46.073)
by Trump's lunacy.

MARK HAYES (21:47.607)
Right, right. Yeah, it's crazy. Multiple airports experiencing experiencing more than 40 % call out rates of TSA workers. Delta Airlines in a surprise move standing with TSA agents or TSA workers and supporting and throwing their support behind them. You know, that's a big move for, you know, the red company.

You know, if you had to put a color on these companies, red or blue, Delta's definitely going red from what we've seen with Stakeholder employer. yeah.

Brock Ganeles (22:25.945)
Well, it's got to be affecting them in the bottom line, right? As much as you said, the flights are going to go off anyway, even if you're stuck in the line. But there'll be a decline in people buying airline tickets when the airports are jammed up like this. People will just defer trips. Any leisure trips might get deferred. Shit, some people may even decide to, I was going to say to drive instead of fly, but would gas up so much. I don't know. That's a toss up. But it's just hurting. It hurts travel in general.

MARK HAYES (22:50.252)
Right. No good option.

Brock Ganeles (22:55.365)
airlines feel at first, they're just looking for a way for this to end. But you know, the airline CEOs are such pussies. They didn't say shit about the FAA cuts, right? They've, they've, you know, gotten along to get along or whatever that quote is. I tried to say it the other day. I know I'm saying it wrong, but like, right. They've just, they've just stayed quiet and didn't want to get on Trump's wrong side. Now they're, you know, piling on what is an obvious.

MARK HAYES (23:14.03)
That's the only way to along.

Brock Ganeles (23:24.545)
obvious just absolute buffoonery at the airport. It's four and a half hours in Houston. Four and a half hour wait times. That's the average. That means you probably got some people on there for like seven hours.

MARK HAYES (23:27.374)
Yeah, mean, look, no one obviously cares about the American public.

Yeah, mean, look, if you've got a six o'clock flight and you're at the airport at midnight and you're on your feet all night and you arrive to your business meeting at 9 a.m., how in the hell do you think you're gonna be able to work? Like you put your workday in just trying to board the plane. I mean, it's a fucking wreck. And no one is coming to save us that.

That's my issue, Brock. The fact that the cavalry is not coming, Cory Booker's not coming, right? Chuckles not coming, Hakeem not coming, Bernie, AOC, Jasmine, I don't know what they can do, but nobody's making a move. We need articles of impeachment immediately. Immediately. And we need some backbone in the Senate.

Brock Ganeles (24:16.837)
Mark, you there? Looks like you just popped off. Speaking of no one coming to save us, we just lost you there for a second, Mark. All right, I'm gonna give you a second to come back on.

MARK HAYES (24:37.92)
in order to get it done. To impeach and remove. know, to hell with just impeaching and we need to impeach and remove.

MARK HAYES (25:17.902)
Go!

Brock Ganeles (28:51.864)
you on.

MARK HAYES (28:54.384)
Yeah, but yeah. Can you see me? I dropped.

Brock Ganeles (28:56.441)
Yeah, did you drop or did drop? I feel like you dropped. Oh, okay. Well, we're still live, I think, but I think it uploaded. So maybe we can just edit it up to the point where we dropped off. I think you ended with no one's coming to save us, which is probably not a bad ending point. But we're gonna have to do, you want me to go and edit it? I'll edit it. I'll go do it. I'll create the upload. So I think we'll just, you know.

MARK HAYES (29:02.896)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (29:11.13)
Okay.

MARK HAYES (29:16.336)
Thanks.

Brock Ganeles (29:26.073)
We'll just kind of leave it there and we'll chop it up. What happened?

MARK HAYES (29:26.564)
Leave it there.

All right.

Internet must have kicked me off.

Brock Ganeles (29:36.089)
Okay. All right. Well, we were already at 26 minutes or so. Just won't be the smoothest ending.

MARK HAYES (29:41.904)
Right. All right, bro. We'll check in. do it again tomorrow. All right. See ya.

Brock Ganeles (29:44.601)
All right, we'll pick it up tomorrow. All right. Okay,