2 Men In Black and White: An Honest Conversation

MARK HAYES (00:01.638)
Yes, sir. All right. Welcome back to another exciting edition of two men in black and white We are live streaming tonight folks live on YouTube But not on Facebook though. So we're live on Riverside and on the tube so let's get right into it Brock and Ellis back with us as we Move away from Super Bowl Sunday man and the incredible performance of the bad bunny himself

I mean, it was an incredible performance. I really enjoyed it. Watched it a couple of times after I got home. I was at a Super Bowl function scholarship fundraiser and everybody was paying attention to it though, which was quite exciting. And it was nice to have the cultural references in there that I will admit, but I had to do it with Kendrick too. Had to get somebody to explain it and break it all down for me because there were so many.

hidden messages in there, including the sugar cane plantation as a nod to colonialism and Caribbean slavery. We forget that slaves were held in the Caribbean because of how much longer it was pervasive in the US, but I thought he did a huge job sending out political references.

in an American way, right? Exercising his first amendment right and you know, really driving it home with the art. I mean, the music was phenomenal.

BROCK GANELES (01:39.837)
You know, our Sunday afternoon, which the last podcast we did right before the Super Bowl, I expressed a concern that that would be buddy be able to deliver on the massive expectations that were embedded in there, you know, and to me it was like an entertaining show, but there's just like with Kendrick, there's no doubt.

MARK HAYES (01:47.598)
Hmm.

BROCK GANELES (02:08.155)
that me, generic white guy viewer missed a whole bunch of what he was saying along the way and I'm gonna need a primer and then I'm gonna go back and watch it again. Like with the Kendrick I had to, I had missed so much of the Crip one, this, that, I kind of had missed like at least 10 or 12 of the messages. Bad Bunny I may have missed every single, I may have missed every single one of them frankly.

MARK HAYES (02:27.639)
yeah.

MARK HAYES (02:32.577)
you got level!

MARK HAYES (02:36.374)
Yeah, yeah, because I mean, bad. So Bad Bunny had a reference in there to a businesswoman in Williamsburg, New York, Brooklyn. Like, we know how much that section of New York City has been just gentrified. Right. I mean, to the point where it's almost unaffordable now, like you have to be among the elite to overlook the East River toward Manhattan.

BROCK GANELES (03:00.797)
Mm-hmm.

MARK HAYES (03:04.206)
as expensive as it is now and there is a woman there who was in the halftime show who's Puerto Rican who has owned the Caribbean Social Club which is a business that you know she won't sell she won't get out they've tried to kick her out they've tried to buy her out and she won't move and so when he went to take that shot that's where he got the shot from the Caribbean Social Club

And so, you know, it was kind of a nod to gentrification, you know, to the long standing Puerto Rican community because, you know, the Puerto Rican community got kicked out of Williamsburg too. know, it just black folk that got booted out of there. That was a pretty well-known Puerto Rican enclave Williamsburg was until, you know,

BROCK GANELES (03:48.765)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (03:58.594)
we started gentrifying it. And those are some of the hidden references that we couldn't have known. We didn't grow up in Williamsburg. But the Puerto Rican community knows about it. And you better believe Puerto Ricans all over New York City know about it. That's why she's still in business, probably because they still come to patronize.

BROCK GANELES (04:21.228)
Yeah, all right. All right. Yeah, I got a lot I got a lot of homework to do on that one, but I want to see it again, right? It was good performance. It was the whole thing was just like compelling and interesting and obviously he's like the he's the artist of the moment, right? I mean he crushed it on the Grammys and I'm just glad it happened, right? You know, I feel like MAGA America needs to see this stuff and to stop thinking that there's this one like

MARK HAYES (04:27.981)
Yeah!

MARK HAYES (04:36.173)
Yes.

BROCK GANELES (04:49.817)
one lane of heritage that makes up America, that there only should be one lane of heritage that makes up America, and it's just not true. And they're trying to, in essence, their minds, recreate an America that actually never existed, and whitewash everyone else out of the picture. So...

MARK HAYES (05:02.187)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (05:15.261)
I mean, I think he delivered on it, right? I haven't looked at, don't, I mean, I barely bother. Like I said the other day where quote, MAGA melts down because like, so I barely bothered to read what the backlash would have been. I saw like one headline, some like some real housewives star complain that there were no white people in it. And it was just like, ah, here we go. You know, like, so I know that's floating out there that there is a counter argument of people saying that that was.

MARK HAYES (05:24.078)
I'm

MARK HAYES (05:34.112)
Jill's barren.

BROCK GANELES (05:44.227)
absurd and not what should have been shown and maybe they did watch the kid maybe they watched the Kid Rock thing I don't know but I just I just feel like I feel like I feel like MAGA's lost momentum maybe it's wishful thinking but I feel like even the the narrative of the complaints has just it just like I don't know they just tipped over I people are I think people are tired of the complaints

MARK HAYES (05:46.752)
One enough.

MARK HAYES (06:00.238)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (06:09.048)
False.

BROCK GANELES (06:14.205)
I don't know what you read on that.

MARK HAYES (06:14.954)
Absolutely. Yeah, I would agree with you. And you know what I always go back to Brock, the Achilles heel of Donald Trump at all is the Epstein files. You can't be a MAGA supporter and want the Epstein files to come out. You can't be both. Trump won't let you. And if the Epstein files come out in their entirety,

Like they were supposed to have when? Back in January, early January, or was it late December? Whenever they were supposed to come out. If they come out in their entirety, we'll see the full depravity of Trump, Leon Black, the prestigious law firm attorney who lost his spot. Yep. We'll see the.

BROCK GANELES (06:51.099)
Yeah, yeah.

BROCK GANELES (07:03.951)
Yeah, Weiss. The name of the firm was called Weiss. I forget his name.

MARK HAYES (07:11.042)
full depravity of these folks and you can't have it both ways. That's why the Rogans of the world are conflicted. These podcasts, Andrew Schultz, right? What do I complain about? Do I complain about the, you know, the lack of whiteness in the halftime show or do I complain about the Epstein files? Like, you know, Trump is going to crush me if I complain about the Epstein. You can't have it both ways.

So MAGA is contorting itself into all kinds of fuckery to try to keep something and nothing is landing. They haven't landed a punch in months, brah, in months. The Venezuela thing fell flat. Iran is falling flat. Everything. Greenland fell hugely flat. Talking about

BROCK GANELES (07:58.865)
Greenland, Greenland!

MARK HAYES (08:05.762)
going into Europe and leaving NATO, that failed bigly. know, everything is missing. And so, yeah, I'm right with you on that. I totally agree.

BROCK GANELES (08:20.581)
Yeah, this is slippage. even the stories that are dripping out on the Epstein files, right? Lutnick has to do a major backpedal and admit he had lunch on the island with his family. mean, seriously, that's where you go. That's where you take your family for lunch. You fucking kidding me with the world's most renowned pedophile? When you say that you knew. OK, and then you have Trump's comments to the FBI trickle out.

MARK HAYES (08:28.588)
Listen

MARK HAYES (08:33.102)
What is daughters?

MARK HAYES (08:37.356)
I mean.

MARK HAYES (08:45.038)
too.

BROCK GANELES (08:50.619)
where he's saying to a prosecutor or something in Palm Beach that everybody knew what Epstein was up to yet it's in total contradiction to what he had said later years that he had no idea but he's on record years before you know saying that you know everybody knew just in essence basically caught in a lie but he'll you know try to you know scooby his way around it but like

MARK HAYES (09:11.362)
Just like, yeah!

MARK HAYES (09:16.91)
All right.

BROCK GANELES (09:17.691)
the lies are too obvious and too clear and you're caught in them in print so I don't know how to get out of the box it's it's in the yeah there's just a decline the sad part is that there's no mechanism outside the 25th amendment or impeachment to actually get real change so you still have ICE running around you know terrorizing Americans like it's not like

MARK HAYES (09:24.181)
and bruh

MARK HAYES (09:38.648)
Right.

MARK HAYES (09:43.95)
mean, sterilizing the type of stuff.

BROCK GANELES (09:47.101)
It's not like. But you know, there's a bug, you know, that fired and home and pulled things back. 700 agents leaving Minneapolis. We don't even know if that really happened. That was just an announcement. We don't. And even if it did, there's still the same activity going on in the streets. So nothing's changed on the ice front. So we the same problems, even though more more Americans are just have turned against it, but they don't. There's no mechanism for change. The protest.

MARK HAYES (09:58.807)
Right. Right.

MARK HAYES (10:05.686)
Right.

Yeah.

MARK HAYES (10:13.654)
Right. And you know, that's the biggest issue too. He's got no policies that are winning. His economic policies certainly aren't, you know, especially with the news that's coming out now that, you know, we may have been hoodwinked, run them up, let us stray, bamboozled, you know, like we know the economy is for shit. Why are they trying to tell us it's not? I don't get it.

BROCK GANELES (10:39.697)
Yeah, the, apparently the employment, the employment numbers are getting, being revised dramatically negatively. It's not actually as I don't know if it's been confirmed yet, but what is confirmed mean in this administration, right? It's just whether they got a lie or real facts, right? They, they tripped up the propaganda and maybe slipped something out truthful by mistake. And now they'll try to backpedal over it. But having said all that,

MARK HAYES (10:55.476)
you

BROCK GANELES (11:06.971)
We know the statistics that we're seeing were not matching any of the anecdotes and the stories we were hearing. Right. So there's like a total dichotomy between stories on the street, headlines of layoffs and the official employment numbers. They have never, they have not jived since Trump took over. So we know things are worse than they're saying. maybe now it's, maybe it's a bit of a, maybe it's a bit of a confirmation that way.

MARK HAYES (11:14.573)
No doubt.

MARK HAYES (11:24.61)
Yup.

MARK HAYES (11:28.174)
Right.

MARK HAYES (11:32.994)
And again.

MARK HAYES (11:37.815)
Right, and again, who's letting us down? The media. Because the media can get the numbers if they want the actual numbers. That should be a deep dive that they should have been doing from the outset. And here we are, you know, a year plus, what, going on 13 months into this shit show, you know, and the media still wants to take the Trump administration at its word. Are you fucking high?

What are you talking about? You know, wanna piss on us and tell us it's raining when it comes to this stuff. This is how people actually make a living. You know, some of this economic data, like people use in their daily jobs, right? How are people supposed to do their job? How are people supposed to fill orders? How are people supposed to know how much inventory they need? How much stock to carry?

Right? For those people who are in that line of work. And the government's fucking lying to us. And they're lying to us. And there's no consequences in or repercussions.

BROCK GANELES (12:47.545)
Not yet. Not yet. And, you know, I mean, the Wait for November crew, guess they're only eight, nine months away now from getting in the voting booth. But nine months is a fucking eternity when you got a maniac with the nuclear with the nuclear codes that has no idea what's what's going on around them. But the interesting thing getting back the Epstein files is like

MARK HAYES (12:55.021)
Yes.

MARK HAYES (13:01.838)
Right.

Do we have nine months?

MARK HAYES (13:12.674)
Exactly.

BROCK GANELES (13:15.933)
It's almost odd to watch the fallout in the UK versus in the US where in the US basically no one's had any ramifications, right? Except for Epstein who got basically murdered and Ghislaine who's at club, you know, club fed, you know, playing tennis and getting manicures, right? At at quote jail. Other than those two, no one's got, nothing's happened to anyone, barely even any shame. And in the UK they're having like this big

MARK HAYES (13:35.863)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (13:46.599)
heart to heart where they feel it's, you know, breaking them and they need to really self-examine what went on and they've had a bunch of people resign and or get fired and they weren't even at the heart of it, right? They're peripheral players in all of this and they're having a big national numbers. They're having a big national conversation about it, right? Like the Royal family is feeling the need to address it, of course, cause Andrew is like, you know, you know.

MARK HAYES (13:58.637)
Yep. No!

BROCK GANELES (14:15.057)
pedophile number two so it's just it's just amazing that they've They've actually faced it head-on and dealt with it at least to some extent We haven't We have not

MARK HAYES (14:16.951)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (14:29.206)
We haven't, and we're going to until somebody gets the balls that Merrick Garland did not have. Because remember this stuff was sitting on Garland's desk. Biden knew about it. Obama knew about it. Nobody wanted to, you know, cross the line when it comes to prosecuting the other party. Why do you have to worry if you're a Democrat? Right?

BROCK GANELES (14:37.362)
Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (14:41.563)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (14:58.338)
President Obama, you shouldn't have to worry. know, Bill Clinton, fuck him. If he's molesting children, he's gotta go. Just like the rest of them.

BROCK GANELES (15:07.537)
But even he's willing to testify in public. You know, I mean, it'll be embarrassing for him. Maybe he thinks his activities weren't that bad. Maybe he wasn't as deep as some others. But I mean, he's like the only one now willing to go public and say something. So yeah, it's a mess. But I just feel like that slow trickle is working against Trump.

MARK HAYES (15:11.094)
Yes, exactly. Exactly.

MARK HAYES (15:21.57)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (15:37.081)
I'm just still amazed. Amazed is the wrong word. Disappointed. I mean, that these MAGA congressmen and senators have not peeled away from the racism, the pedophilia, the working against American interests, the corruption. There's nothing that can crack some of these.

MARK HAYES (15:47.394)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (16:01.997)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (16:02.021)
some of these people. mean, look, a bunch of the congressmen are stepping away and not running again, right? It's going to be an alarmingly high number that aren't running for reelection, but that's not enough. Like, it's not even nearly enough. Like, say something, do something. Like, your country's falling apart in front of you. Seriously, you're in the seat.

MARK HAYES (16:13.174)
No. No.

MARK HAYES (16:22.691)
Right.

Yeah, and no one wants to. And that's what really is just disgusting about the whole thing, Brock. When you think about what was done to these young women, because they were girls at the time. They were children. That's the worst part. They were kids. And we're sitting here supposed to be the moral compass of what?

BROCK GANELES (16:40.066)
my god. They were kids. They were kids.

MARK HAYES (16:55.722)
of what alternative universe can the US claim the moral high ground on? I say nothing.

BROCK GANELES (17:05.243)
We can't be, we can't be better until we get, until we defeat MAGA. Like, hey, it starts with getting rid of Trump, but we really have to defeat MAGA. We just can't get better when they have really any hold on any lever of

MARK HAYES (17:12.823)
Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (17:24.391)
power and influence in America. Like they really literally have to be eradicated from any aspect of decision making in our country. And then maybe we can get like a moral clarity, some element of a moral clarity back. And by the way, a better one than we had in the past, you know, that's a much better one than we have in the past, the revolutionary one.

You know, we talked pre-show a little bit about my several days back in our hometown that I've spent. And, you know, it eye-opening, but also just even just talking to people from back there, just like, you know, people... God. Me plus other people, I'm putting myself in that camp.

MARK HAYES (17:59.299)
Yeah, yeah.

BROCK GANELES (18:14.617)
We middle, comfortable middle America, right? Everything but the picket fence, suburban white middle America were oblivious, intentionally oblivious to the plight, to the plight of other people in our society and very often in our proximity. And we're complicit in the decline of America because of that. We

MARK HAYES (18:19.873)
You

MARK HAYES (18:29.09)
Yeah?

MARK HAYES (18:37.784)
Right.

MARK HAYES (18:44.206)
and

BROCK GANELES (18:44.333)
allowed a MAGA movement.

MARK HAYES (18:48.354)
But the thing is that, don't forget the media's involvement in this, right? Because as media took off, right? So did the vitriol. So did the angst and anger. As we got more and more exposure to more and more media. Remember, we moved away from reporting just the facts.

to reporting just the opinions and just the differences and just the frightening, just the scary part, right? Because that's what's sold, right? And since DW Griffith, birth of a nation, who's been the boogeyman, you know, the black and brown people. So, you know, let's not give the media a pass because they don't fucking deserve it, right? And so that's why I don't watch.

BROCK GANELES (19:17.553)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Yeah

MARK HAYES (19:46.572)
local news anymore.

BROCK GANELES (19:48.613)
I know you but you're more look I'm anti-media you're more apt to blame it because you were in it so maybe you know the power it can have and to to shape narratives in the light I will also flip it over and say the media moved in that direction also because the eyeballs would go with them so I think it's also a complicit viewing public right that allowed it to happen they kind of ate the

MARK HAYES (19:58.187)
Absolutely.

MARK HAYES (20:12.834)
Yeah. Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (20:17.179)
the dog food that was served and we lapped it up pretty easily in an unchallenged manner, right? We just, so it fed on itself and they're like, okay, we'll feed them more, right? You know, let's feed them more, more channels, more of that shit, more anger, more racism, more money and on and on and on and on we have gone. But it's fixable.

MARK HAYES (20:21.218)
Right.

MARK HAYES (20:25.005)
Right.

MARK HAYES (20:30.338)
Yes. Yes.

More money.

My money.

MARK HAYES (20:43.659)
Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (20:46.233)
It's not overnight. It's fixable. It's changeable. things like bed, but bad bunny, half time shows move us a step in, in, the right direction. It just, it just, cause it, we always say representation matters, right? It exposes people to something and it makes them think about something that maybe they never would have otherwise. Even if they didn't love the show, even if they didn't get it and if they didn't know all, certainly the words,

MARK HAYES (20:57.368)
Kendrick Lamar.

MARK HAYES (21:04.75)
Thanks a lot.

BROCK GANELES (21:16.497)
They were at least brought along a little bit, given a few breadcrumbs to like maybe be comfortable with something they weren't comfortable with before. I'm hopeful of that, you know.

MARK HAYES (21:27.372)
before. And, and Brock, you know, here's the thing too. I remember one of my business coaches not long ago, just a couple of years ago saying, you know, greatness does not occur in the comfort zone and neither does growth. Right? So growth as a human being is not going to grow in the comfort zone, which is why my TEDx talk

BROCK GANELES (21:48.701)
Mmm.

MARK HAYES (21:55.415)
I mentioned, I said, you if you want to learn more about the black and brown culture, you can do it in the safety of your own home. Right. You can go on any of these platforms right now, any of these streaming platforms, everybody's got at least one in their home now. Right. Or else you're not watching anything. You know, if you're still paying for cable, got, I got Swamp Land. need to sell you in New York city, but you know, there's a whole black platform right now about black American history.

BROCK GANELES (22:11.655)
Hmm

Absolutely.

BROCK GANELES (22:19.772)
Ha

MARK HAYES (22:25.742)
There's Latino content on these platforms. So if you wanna learn, I read Hillbilly Elegy by JD Vance, right? And those precious hours, I'll never get back, because turns out he's full of shit. But I wanted to know what was upsetting the white male in the Rust Belt.

BROCK GANELES (22:51.238)
huh.

MARK HAYES (22:51.834)
Why is the white male so upset? Okay, they felt left behind. Okay, but you know, there were other alternatives for you. Yeah, there were other opportunities for you, right?

BROCK GANELES (22:54.247)
Mm-hmm.

BROCK GANELES (22:59.921)
The last chance, yeah.

Yeah, there was a safe reliance, there was a place to fall, right? I mean...

MARK HAYES (23:07.948)
Yes. Yes. And so, you know, look, if we if we had all the answers, we could cure the world's problems in 30 minutes every day at 5 p.m. But, you know, some of this stuff is above our pay grade. But you can you can learn, you know, you can find out, you know, what makes people tick. What are people's fears? Right. But we're so busy playing on those fears in order to make a profit.

in order to expand the profit margin. I'll tell you what Brock, I remember, must have been 97. I was working in Baltimore. Oprah Winfrey was our lead in at the time. Number one show in the four o'clock time slot. Oh yeah, great lead in. So you know what we did? We switched to a 20 minute crime block. So our news came on about two minutes before everyone else is at like 456, 457.

BROCK GANELES (23:37.511)
Mm-hmm.

BROCK GANELES (23:50.237)
That's about to say good leading, right?

BROCK GANELES (24:01.266)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (24:06.902)
and we would come on and go straight live until like 517, 518, crime, crime, crime, murder, rape, crime, fire, murder, rape, crime, crime, crime. look, more crime, right? Scaring the shit out of Metro Baltimore. And it wasn't until years later that I looked back on it, you know, because while you're in it, you're thinking, yeah, we're gonna beat the other guys, we're gonna be number one.

you in the ratings. But then when you realize when you grow up a little bit and you start looking at the business critically, it's all about making the money because that's why we had to be number one. Right. And what was the kind of content that was going to make people watch the scary shit? Right. We were going to, we were going Yeah. Yes. So yeah, man. All right, Brody, let's get out of here with a couple of quick hits. What do you got for me?

BROCK GANELES (24:51.919)
Yeah. Yep. Fear. Greater fear. Greater than fear.

BROCK GANELES (25:02.429)
I don't know if I have a quick tip, I had a conversation with an older white man and a Latino woman earlier today and showed them the podcast and they're starting to scroll through the one minute errs, know, the shorts that we post for anyone who watches the long show. Then we post like a bunch of one minute errs, kind of highlight rules. did get the, I think I got the little bit of a fascination that I'd actually

MARK HAYES (25:07.67)
Okay. Wow!

MARK HAYES (25:18.704)
huh. Sure.

MARK HAYES (25:25.411)
Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (25:32.423)
prompted by you taking the time to listen to Bad Bunny music and try to, you know, and get an understanding pre-Super Bowl. I think it was just a surprise that that was maybe going on in the world, that there was a white guy and a black guy doing this. But I also got a criticism, maybe a constructive criticism, I'm gonna lob this out there, is maybe also an open invite to somebody out there, because she did say to me, is like, how come you don't have a Latino person on your podcast?

MARK HAYES (25:35.726)
I

MARK HAYES (25:47.544)
Okay.

BROCK GANELES (26:02.085)
And I guess my answer to that would be we would love to have a Latino person with strong opinions about what's going on in America and to talk about how they see it through their eyes. Cause my explanation was, we're two men in black and white. We're, we can only talk to the lens from which we live and see America. So we would love to do that. We know.

MARK HAYES (26:06.338)
Come on down.

MARK HAYES (26:26.999)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (26:27.101)
It's kind of hard for some people to get out there and express their political views out there to the world and have it taped and then have it be there forever. Right. So I thought it was interesting. I thought it was good feedback. Good feedback for us and a little bit of an open invitation. We would like to to to have a Latino guest on there. You know, maybe certainly I'll speak for myself on this. Like maybe I'm off the mark on a lot of topics. Howard.

MARK HAYES (26:35.904)
Right, right. I love that.

MARK HAYES (26:47.886)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (26:54.338)
Yeah, I mean, we've had Urvay on. Yeah, we've had Urvay on. He might, you know, be able to check the box, but, you know, we want, we want Latino, you know? Urvay is Haitian. You know, that's a good question. We'll have to ask Urvay next time he's on. Does he consider himself Latino? So that would be a great question. You know, yeah, we'll have to ask him.

BROCK GANELES (26:55.623)
What I know until someone tells me?

BROCK GANELES (27:05.051)
I'm

BROCK GANELES (27:20.605)
We all ask them. Yeah, so that was a good lesson today something we'll think about in the future and something we'd like to do because yeah, it would be additive and I mean I just feel like the Latino voice right now coming, you know Not just because we're coming off of the bad bunny performance But because of what's going on with ice and in American and being so targeted for a full year Like yeah, we probably could and should and would love to hear more, you know firsthand and do some Q &A and Sorry

MARK HAYES (27:27.949)
Yes.

MARK HAYES (27:37.678)
Nice. Yes.

Right.

BROCK GANELES (27:49.981)
Just lobbing that out there. It's not necessarily a quick hit, but just sort of something that, you know, I learned today and got good feedback on.

MARK HAYES (27:53.848)
Well.

MARK HAYES (27:58.635)
especially after, you know what, was like right down the, almost right down the middle for the Trump vote in the Latino community, you know, half up, half down, right? So, you know, a lot of the Latino community had a buyer's remorse afterwards. So yeah, that would be something else to parse as we head towards midterms if we ever make it. So, you know, there's a lot to talk to a Latino community expert.

about their political views and leanings. I have a quick hit for us. It's kind of a sad one, but it is related to the Olympics. And that is the American Airlines crash at 53-42 last year when it hit that military helicopter. Maxim Namov is performing. He's skating for the U.S. and he made his first appearance today in the short program.

as a figure skater and he lost both of his parents in that crash. So we are still feeling the reverberations of that mistake, that tragic mistake. And, you know, our hearts just go out to him. You know, we held up a picture of his mom, dad, and what it looks to be a young child.

Remember, there was a huge contingent of figure skaters on that flight that worked out of the Virginia.

BROCK GANELES (29:28.825)
of the team, Juniors, both athletes and parents and coaches.

MARK HAYES (29:35.757)
Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (29:37.722)
is

MARK HAYES (29:39.17)
That's

BROCK GANELES (29:41.051)
You know, that was such a sad incident. Like my, my worry coming off that incident also was like, did like we learn anything? Do we trust that this department of transportation took that information and has now delivered us a safer environment? And as I say it, I know my answer is no. Like I don't have any confidence that, you know, it's not, we're not at risk of having something like that happen again. Cause we have a

MARK HAYES (30:01.87)
Hey.

BROCK GANELES (30:09.457)
buffoon in charge and we've still gutted that agency. I feel like we're lucky that it hasn't happened again.

MARK HAYES (30:13.614)
And we just went what several days without them getting paid You know with the shutdown As we could How do you not pay air traffic controllers? Those people the stress of that job you want them as happy as they could possibly be Good lord. I mean it is it is you know again with the Mad King in charge who knows? Right. Well what the bottom it we don't know where the bottom is

BROCK GANELES (30:43.077)
Yeah, but this, but this we don't know, but like, there's no trust that there's competency and quality in place and, and like, in essence, even like a desire for excellence in place to fix things and make things right and to make us safer. And this is just another, this is in one area. It's the same for medicine. It's the same for food safety. It's the same for right.

MARK HAYES (30:43.106)
especially when it comes to the economy, when it comes to our safety.

MARK HAYES (30:59.661)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (31:12.249)
worker safety like there like there's no sense that anything is being done across the board in this administration for the safety of the American people at At all and so when I when you remind me of that plane crash It was the first thing I thought I was like lucky we haven't had another one. There's no way this Joker Duffy has like actually You know fixed anything

MARK HAYES (31:23.021)
No sir.

BROCK GANELES (31:35.525)
Mark in the question in the chat whether we're looking to become, you know, three men in black, white and Latino. Not sure we're ready to jump. Make that leap yet. We definitely want a Latino guest to come on and we'll see where it takes us. We'll take a baby step before we do a reconfiguration. But let's let's start somewhere is I think my my message on that. Last one back to you, would you think what you think of this?

MARK HAYES (31:50.135)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (31:59.998)
I love it. Send somebody our way. Send them our way.

BROCK GANELES (32:05.455)
What would you think of the Super Bowl, Mark? Kind of like a boring, you know, lousy game.

MARK HAYES (32:10.882)
Yeah, defensive struggle.

Yeah, defensive struggle. Our DJ at the party was good though. So we were good there. And I didn't get to check out the commercials yet. I gotta go back and watch the commercials.

BROCK GANELES (32:22.077)
Okay.

BROCK GANELES (32:28.325)
I didn't see it. A good DJ and open bar usually makes everything a little bit better, right?

MARK HAYES (32:37.354)
All right, buddy have a great night. Yes, please

BROCK GANELES (32:41.213)
Mark, Mark, always a pleasure. Okay, take care. Talk to you tomorrow.