2 Men In Black and White: An Honest Conversation

Mark Hayes (00:03.086)
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another exciting edition of Two Men in Black and White, an Honest Conversation. And we are here, just a couple of buddies from the basketball team in upstate New York, a little bit outside New York City, where we've just remained friends over the past 50 years. Yeah, 50 some odd years, huh, Brock? Wow, it's been a minute. Wow. Yeah, we are old. We're gonna.

Brock Ganeles (00:26.905)
Getting there.

Mark Hayes (00:30.22)
have to start calculating our social security benefits in due time. So Brock and I decided that we'd have a conversation that looks through the lens of the black community and the Jewish American community in black and white as we pursue justice, democracy, and freedom for all. And that's where we want to start today with our TSA situation, the problems at airports.

Now people are talking about the long security lines miss flights and if Congress won't pay TSA officers Smaller airports might have to close You know Bangor is not a big airport, but if it has to close that is a problem You know, you got a major university there University of Maine got a couple other colleges nearby They're flying out for athletic competition

Wow, the closest airport to Bangor, they might have to drive to Montreal and take an international flight just to get back to the States. University of Vermont, same thing. I mean, it is ridiculous. So let's talk about it, Brock. I mean, why is this shit show? This, the TSA, does anyone in the Trump administration realize that this delay?

is hurting American businesses and the economy as a whole. When people are canceling flights, they can't conduct business in person like they'd like to, or they're missing flights, gumming up the works, taking it on the head because now, if you miss a flight, Brock, because of a TSA line, it's not their fault.

It's not their fault. They don't care. The airlines are saying, that's not in our control. We can rebook you, but you're going to have to pay the fair difference, which is always $476,000. So talk to me a little bit about it, Brock. Where are you at on this TSA deal?

Brock Ganeles (02:43.471)
So air travel is such a bellwether of the American economy and to even a certain extent, our view of American competence, excellence slash competence, and an outsized view of in essence, which leads to even our consumer confidence, right?

Mark Hayes (03:00.525)
Right.

Mark Hayes (03:07.682)
Mm-hmm.

Brock Ganeles (03:08.495)
I always laugh because the local media, you know, as soon as there's like a half inch of snow on the ground, right? Someone's running out to the airport and they're giving a report. Oh, we got 1800 flights delayed. And it's like, who gives a fuck? Like why are we? No one's running to the bus station. No one's at the train station, right? But something about air travel, we love to talk about it, hype it. Media loves covering it, but it does hit the middle to upper class America. So when things happen in air travel,

Mark Hayes (03:23.288)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (03:38.957)
business people get pissed and white America gets pissed because that's how white America travels, right? They fly from, from place to place. It's also a gauge of our, our, you know, our excellence in that we expect there to never be a crash, right? We, cause we go years, sometimes like multiple years of nothing ever happening, just full, you know, airline safety. And it's a pride, right?

Mark Hayes (04:05.794)
Right? Safe speed of travel. Right?

Brock Ganeles (04:08.175)
Yeah, this way to travel this and that. So when that chips away, it chips away at our security to a certain extent. Oh, I'm not getting on a plane right now. And people, you know, there's a fear factor when things start going wrong at the airport. And then I think just the whole standing online element of people being stuck and it's almost, you know, it's, it's not like crime, but it's a corollary to crime where it gets so much.

play and so much hype that it becomes a part of our national consciousness of what's going on at the airports and what's going on in air travel. So the fact that the markets are down for the fifth week in a row, you know, stock markets tanking, I think it does tie to the fact when there's airline problems. Yes, there's a tangible impact that it hurts business, but I think there's a secondary impact is that it hurts consumer confidence.

and in essence confidence in America. So Trump could go fuck shit up in Iran, right? And it doesn't, it hardly impacts anyone. It's a little bit of a TV show where everyone ignores it, whether we're doing great or bad, like it hardly impacts us. But the airports being jammed up and

Mark Hayes (05:04.003)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (05:17.955)
Dopey TSA agents walking around the airport to stand around eating donuts. Or you may have seen the photo of those two TSA agents that look like they're about 16 years old, but everyone was making fun of for a couple of days. I say ice agents. met, I met ice agents, right? So they're walking around doing nothing, standing around getting paid. I think it just, there's a bumming out effect of America. And so I think all those things piled up to where Trump who has a sense for this shit,

Mark Hayes (05:28.334)
I see it in sort of eyes or just yeah

Mark Hayes (05:37.816)
than Peter L-

Brock Ganeles (05:47.789)
right? Had to get this fixed because it's making him look bad because Fox News is covering this and the storyline is not positive. They had to figure out a fix one way or another.

Mark Hayes (06:00.257)
at all.

Right, and it could get worse. Johnny Jones is the leader of the labor union that represents TSA officers. And apparently there's a list that's circulating of about 75 airports that would close and they would take those officers and move them to bigger airports.

How are the people in those smaller cities gonna feel? They live in those smaller cities for a reason.

Brock Ganeles (06:30.126)
See.

Like I don't think, I think that is the sort of fear that there's no way Trump's going to let that happen one way or another. Cause he knows that would look so poorly on him, on his leadership and his government and that that story would just bubble to the top, you know, the first five minutes of the news shows and he doesn't want to see that so it would make him look bad. So I know that's a concern, but I think that's why Trump's scrambling to get a fix on this. Cause he wants the

Mark Hayes (06:43.052)
Right.

Mark Hayes (06:52.635)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (07:02.969)
put this issue to bed because this one's hurting him. And we know his whole world is how do things affect him. And he senses is making him look bad. So I don't think he's going to let it get to that scenario where airports actually get closed down. That's my gut. That's my gut feel on that.

Mark Hayes (07:20.544)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, but now he's the one telling Republicans to reject these offers that are coming from the Democrats. We've had five votes already, right? That the Republicans have all shut down because he said, no, don't agree to anything the Democrats offer you, right? So you can't get past Trump, right? We can't get these folks paid because they want to fund the brutality of these ICE agents and DHS.

So we're stuck in a stance, and now everyone has to suffer because the Mad King doesn't give a fuck, right? And the Mad King wants his racism and the people around him want their racism at all costs, at all costs. Brock, are we in a recession yet? Have we had two consecutive quarters of negative growth? I mean, we've got to be close.

Brock Ganeles (08:13.807)
Not officially according to the data, but we don't we don't believe who yeah, who's who's calculating the data? Project 2025 guys trying to make it look as as good as they can there's no doubt we're in a recession and These gas gas prices that are you know now are shortly going to trickle through to food prices is Just gonna make things worse

Mark Hayes (08:20.578)
who knows if the date is accurate.

Mark Hayes (08:25.537)
Right.

Right.

Right.

Right.

Brock Ganeles (08:43.779)
So all right, we're in a little different place. I think Trump's gonna figure this out. He just has to figure out a way to make sure he looks like the hero. I don't think he's gonna let small airports get shut down because not who uses small airports, people that live outside of big cities, who lives outside of big cities, a lot of white people. I don't think Trump wants to get further on the bad side of those same white people who've been bitching for

you know, a week plus about how long their lines are at all these airports.

Mark Hayes (09:19.114)
Right, right. So tell me a little bit about your thoughts when it comes to, you know, the airline. mean, why aren't the airline, Delta gave up their special privileges for members of Congress, right? So they got them, hey, screw you. You you're fucking us up. Stand in the line. Yeah, with everyone else.

Brock Ganeles (09:42.935)
Wait in line with everyone else. Yeah.

Mark Hayes (09:48.719)
But, you know, why aren't the airlines making more noise? Because now, you know, who's pissed when they get to the gate and they can't open the door, right? It's a $15,000 fine to open the door. I can't let you on the flight. I know the plane is still sitting there. I just came from the door, but I can't reopen it. Why aren't the airlines making more noise, Brock? It's costing them millions.

Brock Ganeles (10:17.487)
Corporate America has been an utter failure in the Trump 2.0 regime. These airline executives are just mimicking the behavior of the rest of American business, cowering in fear, not wanting to confront Trump in any way, shape, form, afraid that he may lash out against them.

target them or their businesses and therefore he's intimidated them all into submission. it's a combination of greed but I think it's more fear. I think they just they don't want that fight. They're afraid of them. So you know they're getting bullied and they will not stand up. me a leader in corporate America who stood up to Trump.

No one in the tech world, no one in the media world.

Mark Hayes (11:19.062)
no one. Please tell me why. I mean, what are they scared of again?

Brock Ganeles (11:27.597)
Financial world maybe Jamie Dime made a couple of comments and you know No, no one you can't find a business leader that has shown any level of Courage or conviction in terms of Arguments or stances contrary to the Trump regime

I get it, they probably would get targeted for reprisal, but if we're all afraid to get targeted, then it's self-fulfilling. We're all going to get bullied. It's like the Minneapolis, right? It took all the people to come out to the streets. It could never just be a handful. It takes an army. It takes everyone, but

Mark Hayes (12:15.596)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (12:18.927)
Corporate America is not where we're going to find our courage. so therefore, I have little hope we're going to find it amongst the airline executives. I've given up on that.

Mark Hayes (12:29.336)
Yeah.

All right, let's move on. Hexeth, racist prick, white supremacist, refuses to promote to African-American women, causing quite the stir among African-American women in Congress. you know what? I've had it with this fucking guy.

Brock Ganeles (12:34.125)
Hey.

Mark Hayes (13:00.928)
My Blackness should not be an issue for him and his racism. I just listened to a 30-minute segment on a local news radio station here in Atlanta, WAOK, Derek Bozeman, Nothing But the Truth, talking about why African-Americans should stay out of the white man's army. And that's how it's seen in the Black community.

You know, in the 40s and 50s when my dad was in the military, he was in the military for one reason. He needed to survive Korea and be able to come back and go to college with the GI Bill. And that's what he did. That's what he survived Korea, came home, and was able to go to college on the GI Bill. And he was able to provide a nice life for his family.

right all because of the GI Bill. But even at that time you know my father told me stories how the white soldiers would ask or the white soldiers would tell the Koreans that the black soldiers had tails and the Koreans would come over to them and ask them to see their tails. Can we can we see your tail? Right because it was all about you know the degradation right you had separate

know, platoons at that point, right? All black, all white. You know, and Brock, I have to tell you this. I know I'm getting off topic a moment, but I actually met one of the last remaining Tuskegee Airmen in the grocery store about two years ago. And I was so fascinated with, he had on a hat that said Tuskegee Airmen.

And I said, are you an actual Tuskegee Airman? I was like, what are you eating? Cause I'm buying. And it was amazing. One of the nicest gentlemen I've ever met. Back to the issue at hand. You cannot rewrite American history without black America. We built this shit for free. And now you don't want to acknowledge our excellence.

Mark Hayes (15:22.826)
in military service. It makes no sense. It just like we talked about earlier, Muhammad Ali said, why would I go and fight for somebody else's independence? When I fight for it at home, you want to throw me in jail. I don't even have the same rights that I'm fighting for somebody else to get. And, you know, it's, been a problem for a long time because military service, there's supposed to be, you know,

no race, class, creed, or color. Everybody's supposed to be equal. It's all supposed to be merit-based. So how does this guy come in and turn the fucking thing on its head when it's trying? At least it says so. I mean, we've seen instances where military leaders have stood up. I remember at the Air Force a couple years ago, they sent a couple of kids home because of some racist activity at the Air Force Academy.

So we've seen instances where people are saying, no, we're not going to put up with it. But for the most part, you know, it's been a racist entity and black folks have known that for a long time.

Brock Ganeles (16:34.703)
Yeah, you can't take the racism necessarily out of the people, the institution itself is supposed to be fair and a meritocracy. Like one of the few places in America where it's supposed to be a true meritocracy and we're supposed to break down all our differences, race, creed, gender, religion, and all get into the foxhole where in the United States uniform.

Mark Hayes (16:40.406)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (17:00.545)
and fighting for our country. It's supposed to be the place that unifies everyone and breaks all those elements down. think that was maybe a reason why African Americans would go into the military and feel like, I'm going into a place where my merit can shine now, where I'm not going to be discriminated against because I'm working for the people and the American government.

Well, you know, just like people, you know, always say, why do you gotta bring race into everything? So my question is like, why did Pete Hegseth have to bring race into this? He was actually denying excellence. He was denying. I think it was four people in total, two women, two blacks, or maybe, I don't know what the breakdown was, but was denying these four people a promotion they had earned. That he decided he was not going to give to them just based upon.

Mark Hayes (17:32.927)
Thank

Mm-hmm.

Mark Hayes (17:39.8)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (17:51.661)
Right?

Brock Ganeles (17:56.899)
their race and their gender and how how so a that that's going to make us a weaker fighting force as an as an American army right now we're going to have less people to choose from we're going to have less unity we have people less likely to just care about fighting for the person to the right and the person to their left and and trying to be as neutral about everyone around them as they can and really as much camaraderie as they can

Mark Hayes (17:59.48)
Mm-hmm.

Brock Ganeles (18:26.243)
But it comes from the top because the side story to this was a Hegseth aide saying that Trump doesn't want to be ever photographed or stand next to any people of color when he's at any of these military speeches that he's giving or is ever on stage in front of the military. He doesn't want that optic. So it comes from the top. It's a racist like Donald Trump.

Mark Hayes (18:51.854)
You're right.

Brock Ganeles (18:57.091)
heading up a white supremacist movement that puts a Pete Hegseth in that seat and allows him to then it's trickle down racism, empowers him to be racist in his organization. It's anti-American and it hurts our national security because the people out there on that, on those boats in the Strait of Hormuz right now at war with Iran,

Mark Hayes (19:17.998)
Mm.

Brock Ganeles (19:26.787)
They're hearing these stories and the people of color are like, the fuck am I doing out here? Now, am I really going to dive on grenades and try to save the life of the white guy next to me when this is how, you know, he may feel about me or this institution feels about me. It's horrendous for the morale of our soldiers, which probably is already

Mark Hayes (19:33.539)
Right.

Mark Hayes (19:37.262)
You're right.

Brock Ganeles (19:55.169)
lousy because they're being deployed yet again for a war that doesn't make sense.

Mark Hayes (20:00.239)
Yep, another 10,000 troops. There's a report out of the Pentagon today headed that way. But is it anti-American? mean, this is what America does. America does racism better than anybody else, except maybe the UK. UK does it pretty well, too. They keep their numbers low, very low. But yeah, mean, look at the numbers here.

30 some odd officers for about three dozen officers, most of whom are white men for these promotions. And the only issues were the four that were female and black.

So, you know, is it anti-American? I mean, that's been America's Achilles heel, right? That we won't discuss. Now, hey, Brock.

Brock Ganeles (21:02.041)
Neat.

It's anti, it's anti what I hoped America was going to be.

Mark Hayes (21:12.684)
what she said she wanted to be.

Mark Hayes (21:17.228)
Right? But we haven't gotten there.

Brock Ganeles (21:20.629)
If we can't have fairness in the armed forces, the people that are out there fighting next to each other, taking bullets, taking shrapnel, doing Tammy Duckworth's shit where they're flying in to save other people and getting their legs blown off, like doing that kind of valor, like

Mark Hayes (21:35.374)
Yep.

Brock Ganeles (21:39.723)
If we can't have a meritocracy there where lives are on the line and argue and American interests are on the line and American security is online. If we can't trust that that organization is merit based, that the people getting the promotions are actually the best people. Cause now it's the second best who got those promotions instead. If we can't have it here, this is just American decline. This is what happens when you put,

the wrong people in charge with the wrong end game and the wrong goals. But it's the same thing in a smaller scale project 2025 did. You take away educational opportunity. You just start always tipping the playing field to advantage some. You don't get the ultimate excellence. You don't get the same level of internal competition. Because now those white officers, don't have to work as hard to get promoted. They know. They only have to compete against

Half the group now because they know the people of color have no chance of getting that promotion over them So they don't have to work as hard. They don't have to be as good. It trickles down. It just trickles down into Lesser than and then all the way to incompetence

Mark Hayes (22:45.859)
Right.

Mark Hayes (22:53.998)
You know what we say in the black community, you don't have the complexion for the connection.

Mark Hayes (23:04.812)
We don't. And we can get into that on Monday when we come back. But before we get out of here, we got some breaking news here. Tiger Woods arrested at crash scene. I know you had a quick hit for me on Tiger, but this is not the first time.

Brock Ganeles (23:25.891)
This is Tiger's third serious driving incident. One was video cammed. We saw him kind of just high as a kite. The second one was when he was going about 80 miles an hour out in California and he fucked up his own knee, but he was like barreling. He was lucky. He went across the lane of traffic. He was lucky. No one on the other side and he was the only car.

Mark Hayes (23:39.086)
All right.

Mark Hayes (23:54.178)
Mm-hmm. Out there.

Brock Ganeles (23:54.453)
involved in that crash and there was a massive cover-up there because that there's no doubt that he was driving under the influence of something and then soon as I saw that headline of the rollover I'm like I mean it's high likelihood that Tiger is under the influence now I feel bad he's had a lot of injuries and we all know how easy it is to to get

Mark Hayes (24:01.582)
You know it's loaded. Yeah.

Mark Hayes (24:22.008)
painkillers and...

Brock Ganeles (24:22.145)
Addicted to these painkillers. They're so you know, he's probably getting like the highest dose shit You know, you can imagine how he's finagling the system or or you know paying his way to get you know Top-of-the-line stuff, but clearly he has a substance abuse Problem I haven't we haven't gotten the bottom of this story today, but like wow, I mean it doesn't you know if I'm reading the signs

Mark Hayes (24:34.37)
The top of the line stuff.

Mark Hayes (24:41.738)
It's you. Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (24:48.783)
Chances are Tiger was under the influence yet again. And it's just sad because he's in his 50s now. He's not a young kid. It's like...

Mark Hayes (24:55.598)
Right. Well, here's what they're saying at 532 on Associated Press. He was believed to be impaired by medication and was arrested on suspicion of DUI, according to the Martin County Sheriff down in Jupiter Island, Florida. He's down near Mar-a-Lago country. I wonder why Lara Trump couldn't give him a ride to wherever he was going. She might have been busy making a music video. I shouldn't make light of this. We hope Tiger's OK.

Brock Ganeles (25:24.863)
I he's okay. I'm not a Tiger guy. I don't like him. think he's arrogant selfish, you know prick for the most part probably probably the greatest golfer of my lifetime like I mean He's maybe greatest golfer I've ever seen but I you know, and I loved watching him perform But I'm not I'm like like a tiger fan or a tiger guy. don't wish ill will on him But I do think that the fact that they've covered up that incident from you know, whatever was

Mark Hayes (25:31.799)
I would agree.

Mark Hayes (25:38.582)
My issue with him.

Brock Ganeles (25:54.691)
four or five years ago made it more likely there'd be a follow up incident because he didn't have accountability. He didn't have to pay the piper. He skated around it.

Mark Hayes (26:04.692)
Mm-hmm. To his own detriment. Because if he had been forced to go get help, maybe he wouldn't be in this position and maybe he

Brock Ganeles (26:12.515)
People get away with shit, they keep doing it, right? That's the Trump lesson too, right? You don't stop someone, they're gonna keep doing the behavior and maybe this'll be the one that pushes Tiger to try to make some changes in his life. I'll hope for the best for him. I'm you know, not about to.

Mark Hayes (26:33.218)
Right.

Well, you know, I've not been a Tiger fan since he declared himself Toblin Asian. Dude, you're black. You're black and Asian. That's what your mom and daddy are. You know, we ain't gotta go eight rungs down the ladder to figure out, you know, what your identity is. And then you want to make something up on Oprah, you know, to basically, you know, denounce his blackness.

I've had an issue with him ever since. That was in the 90s. And he's not come around culturally at all for Black America.

Brock Ganeles (27:13.539)
you that was to make himself more marketable in the corporate community? The Nike just, what do think that was?

Mark Hayes (27:16.812)
I bet he didn't need to.

I mean, possibly, but he didn't need to. Michael Jordan didn't have to do it. You know, although he did say Republicans buy sneakers also, you know, but Michael Jordan didn't have to say, well, I'm not really black in order to become, you know, the Nike guy, the Pontiac guy, you know, the Hilton hotels guy, right? The Marriott guy, the Delta guy.

Brock Ganeles (27:39.129)
Sure.

Mark Hayes (27:48.137)
You know, the American Airlines guy? I mean, his face is recognizable. Good looking dude. Sell you anything. You know, he was marketable anyway. You know, we had OJ running through airports in the 70s. Tiger didn't even say I'm not black in order to get his marketing deals. You know, I mean, what was he making? $100 million at the height of his career? Jeez.

Brock Ganeles (28:01.539)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (28:17.752)
You know, don't make a hundred million when they don't really like you. You know? And if they, if he made a hundred million, imagine what the people who paying him were making.

So, you know, that's my issue with Tiger. Moving on to a little sadder situation. And this is actually one of my favorite people that I've met in my travels in television news, Savannah Guthrie, just the sweetest lady. She's going back to the Today Show. I don't know how. Even though, you know, her mother is still missing, 84-year-old Nancy Guthrie, still missing.

And she told how to copy in an interview the other day that she'd be going back and, you know, the joy would be her protest. And I just can't imagine working under those conditions and, you know, how she's going to be able to, you know, even read stories and, you know, not be.

reminded of what's going on with their own family.

Brock Ganeles (29:31.959)
That's gonna be a tough situation for her personally and it's another like unsolved crime in America and like an odd one right where the local police didn't even want to work with the FBI because the FBI is such a shit show right now. With our head of the FBI having his personal emails hacked.

Mark Hayes (29:47.789)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (29:56.559)
with password cash 123 or something like that. Cash Patel can't even give his emails. Email save. Yeah, I feel for Savannah. three. I mean.

Mark Hayes (29:59.632)
ABC 1, 2, 3.

Mark Hayes (30:11.555)
Yeah, it's sad.

Brock Ganeles (30:13.675)
and be tough to be back there. Yeah, and be the face of a morning show where you're as you know, right? You did it for what 20, 25 years. You're bringing, yeah, you're supposed to bring comfort and joy and you kick people's days off and with a good feel, right? Get people in a good mood, get them out to face the world with high energy. And it's actually us as the audience, we're gonna feel sad seeing her, cause we know.

Mark Hayes (30:20.93)
Yes, sir.

Mark Hayes (30:28.099)
Yep.

Brock Ganeles (30:41.497)
whatever face she's putting on behind that is a sadness and a grief. So it's going to be like a tricky dynamic just all around.

Mark Hayes (30:51.681)
Yeah. You know, but but.

That's the nature of the business is what's pulling her back. She'd like to keep the position. And even though she's been dealt this tragedy, the network might look at the numbers and say, we did really well while Savannah was gone. Let's not go back. And that's the sad part about the business and corporate greed. So corporate greed is forcing her back to that chair.

Brock Ganeles (31:16.015)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (31:27.907)
you know, obviously they couldn't make a move on her now because they would look like, you know, just assholes and America would revolt, you know, and not watch in mass. And you'll probably recall, you know, after 9-11, morning shows became remarkably important because in the aftermath of 9-11, people were turning on the news early in the morning to see what was going on.

right, to make sure nothing else had blown up and we were not under attack, right, because we were not used to being attacked. And so the emphasis on morning shows became huge and morning shows expanded and got bigger and got more important and got. Yeah. Yeah, so, you know, that's that's.

Brock Ganeles (32:19.855)
Yeah, in two hours, three hours, right? Even now, the shows are...

Mark Hayes (32:28.706)
You know, this is this is the critical show, right? Nobody's home at 630 anymore for national news. Right, you can't even tell me the three news anchors at 630. We used to know them right?

Brock Ganeles (32:40.877)
No idea. I have absolutely no idea who they are. I haven't watched it in so long. Yeah, but you think now we have now we wake up and I'm know, check to see what what crazy shit did Trump do overnight? That's kind of you know fucked up America

Mark Hayes (32:52.078)
Exactly. Exactly. And that's why the morning shows are important and why, you know, Savannah is feeling the pressure.

Brock Ganeles (32:57.943)
Yeah. I hope she comes back successfully. There may be a part of it that she needs to go back also, like, because sitting at home doesn't help. Like, we all want to get back into our routine and live our lives. You know, so yeah, I'm rooting for her, you know, in her return. But it's like a sad story all around.

Mark Hayes (33:17.25)
Yeah, well, know, the people in television news are not impervious to tragedy either. So, you know, those of us who've been in the business, we cover these horrible stories and then we walk away. You know, sometimes they're your story and you can't walk away. And, you know, I've been in that position, unfortunately, and, you know, it's not easy. You know, but you just hope, you know, the people you work for.

you know, can have a little bit of compassion. And unfortunately, you know, when you're dealing with the kind of money that today's show is dealing with, there's not a lot of leeway. But, you know, my prayer for Savannah, I took a picture with Savannah. were at the...

Brock Ganeles (33:55.609)
not being out of compassion.

Mark Hayes (34:03.246)
30 Rock doing a promotional shoot and she was as gracious to us as she could possibly be. And, you know, she and Matt Lauer were there at the time and she was just a sweetheart and she knew that the Northern Kentucky, Cincinnati area where I was working at the time and really went out of her way to make us feel comfortable and to help us get what we needed. So.

She's been one of my favorites and I've been praying for her ever since this horrific thing happened with her mom.

wow, that sucks. But alright buddy, that's a Friday for us.

Brock Ganeles (34:46.677)
Alright Mark, I'm hitting the No Kings Rally tomorrow morning, 10am. I wasn't going to go out there. I saw the Mark, the Timothy Snyder did a little bit of a post on why we should be out there protesting. So I'm like, alright, I know this is going to be useless in a parade or whatever, but I'm going out there. I'll report back tomorrow. Tell you what the dynamic was.

Mark Hayes (34:49.688)
All right.

Mark Hayes (35:00.865)
Okay.

Mark Hayes (35:10.542)
All right, sounds good. I'll keep an eye on the Atlanta protests, see where they are. If there's one that I can get to, you know, the traffic here doesn't allow us to move around very freely, but we will definitely keep an eye on it we will check in tomorrow. All right, buddy.

Brock Ganeles (35:28.111)
All right. All right, Mark. Always a pleasure. I'll talk to you tomorrow.

Mark Hayes (35:32.066)
Peace.