2 Men In Black and White: An Honest Conversation

MARK HAYES (00:00.206)
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another exciting edition of Two Men in Black and White. Please be sure to join our live show right now on YouTube and right here in the Riverside community. We are two high school buddies, played basketball together. We saved the season miraculously one night against our arch rivals, Peekskill, and we've been friends ever since. Brock and Ellis and I are here to have an honest conversation in the black and white lenses of our communities.

to show exactly what we think of today's political tomfoolery. All right, Brock, let's get right into it. Wow, what a low energy speech last night. We're gonna bomb him right back to the stone ages. it really? You're using lines from the Vietnam War, right? Like he can't even make up his own stuff. The guy is a joke.

Why would anybody tune in, Brock?

Brock Ganeles (01:01.633)
I don't know how anyone tuned in. Did anyone in the black community tune in and watch that? I don't know a single person that actually tuned in and watched it. I think it was just political pundits watched it and then carved it up and made comments. Yeah, I mean, the ratings must have been close to nothing. And yet all the networks actually stopped their programming, right? To show up because, but because most of us don't watch the networks anymore, it was like it fucking didn't happen.

MARK HAYES (01:04.896)
No! No!

MARK HAYES (01:11.243)
No!

MARK HAYES (01:16.182)
It's hard to know. Yeah.

MARK HAYES (01:30.4)
Right, right. And that's not presidential, right? So we've moved away. See, what Trump is doing is cheapening the office, right? Because remember, say what you want about Sleepy Joe. We had the envy of the world when it comes to our economy, right? Now we've got a spokesperson

over in Iran, quoting, quoting Donald Trump talking about the delusions of the American effort, the American war effort and how delusional he is. And that what he's doing is signaling the end of the American war effort because it's what he didn't realize was it's an unwinnable war.

You can't win a holy war. You don't have enough holy souls to win a holy war and you're not willing You're not able to drop a nuclear bomb shall I can I just go out there and say that I? Mean come on man. He's cheapening the office I Don't know if we're gonna see the respect the office deserves in our lifetime again

Brock Ganeles (02:56.928)
We might not, but what I think he also showed is that he doesn't really command America's attention anymore. So many of us just ignored the fact that he was going to speak because our entire reaction was, I'm not going to listen to his pack of lies yet again. And he can't even be dynamic and get fired up and put on a good show for 10, 12, 15 minutes anymore.

MARK HAYES (03:06.648)
to that.

MARK HAYES (03:24.716)
you

Brock Ganeles (03:26.57)
That's why he can't do rallies anymore, right? He became president because he was good at doing rallies. He was lying the whole time, but his rallies were an event. We hated them, but they invigorated the MAGA movement. And I do not believe that he has that mojo anymore. just, it was hard to listen to him last night. It was so fucking boring.

MARK HAYES (03:37.015)
Right.

MARK HAYES (03:52.972)
Yeah, yeah, just watching the clips Like you could have snoozed like if you were feeling tired and you laid down and you just turned on the clips You you you really could have got a nice nap in did a good power nap for 40 minutes. I mean it was awful No news

Brock Ganeles (04:12.126)
no news but and he wanted to turn sentiment right that's why he did it A's attention whore right he wanted everyone's attention two is his poles are tanking he sees that he's trying to change sentiment but it backfired yet again because the only real sound bite two sound bites came out of it

MARK HAYES (04:13.591)
Okay.

MARK HAYES (04:19.896)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (04:34.624)
One you referenced, is the bombing back to the stone ages, which is basically admitting that we're going to commit war crimes. And the second was his comment about the fact that we were going to spend our money on the war.

MARK HAYES (04:42.147)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (04:49.664)
and wouldn't have money for childcare. So he also set up his priorities going forward. And there's already buzzed today about how that's the 2027 budget is going to have a huge increase in defense spending and more cut in social services. So it's like, fuck the American people. I'm going to spend it on wars. And what are we been talking about? Because he's realized how much he can enrich himself off of huge defense budgets. So I think the whole night was pretty much

MARK HAYES (05:07.65)
Again?

MARK HAYES (05:16.375)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (05:18.63)
a PR disaster. I just don't know if it's enough to move the needle in MAGA world. They have to be getting tired of it, but they're so entrenched.

MARK HAYES (05:34.382)
Yeah, it's it's ridiculous. Um, does MAGA know they're getting they've been told you're being played, but do they know it yet? The 31 % because remember he showed up the other day over at the Supreme Court, right? Colossal disaster. 69 % of Republicans think birthright citizenship is okay. They're on the plus side.

31 % are mine. You know who those 70 % are Brock? Those are business owners who can't conduct business anymore because their wait staff is gone. Because their roofers are gone, right? Because their painters are gone. Because their lawn maintenance folks are gone. Oh, that's 70 % of Republicans, people who were relying on cheap. Look, what was America born on, right?

cheap labor, no cost labor. Now we've moved into low cost labor. And now, you know, we've got a guy that doesn't give a shit about the American people. All he wants to do is enrich himself. You just pointed that out and he doesn't care how he has to do it. But MAGA doesn't realize they're the ones that are getting crapped on.

Right when your hospital shuts down in your rural area, right? It's because he's cutting money That would have kept that hospital open Isn't it ironic that we're not hearing those stories about the hospital closures and how far people have to travel to get medical attention now Isn't that weird don't you I mean, I think that's a little strange that these networks aren't covering it right, I Mean, come on, bro

Like he just said, he just politely last night said, fuck the American people. I'm going to get paid off these defense contracts and war is where the money is. Wasn't that in the JFK movie? They talked about the, you know, the organizing principle of war and a good economy. Right. The drudging of Cameron Bay. Right. Remember the Donald Sutherland scene on the mall?

MARK HAYES (07:57.903)
I mean, that's what it was all about. It's all about the money. And that's what this is about.

Brock Ganeles (08:04.754)
Mark, in my day to day life I don't spend a lot of time talking to magas. I just don't. They got the red hat on and I'm not in the conversation with them. I'm not a reach across the aisle guy, right? I'm not spending a lot of time engaging with them in real life. But on our chat board, a lot of magaites come on the chat board to insult us. So I do get a taste of what they're thinking and they're so entrenched that they are not

MARK HAYES (08:10.158)
Oh, I forgot.

You

MARK HAYES (08:25.934)
you

Brock Ganeles (08:33.28)
in any way shape or form willing to walk away from Trump. They'll be unhappy about what's going on, but they'll say things like, oh, gas has been at $4 before. You you libtards are just whiners. You know, we're gonna, you know, we're gonna make it work over here. Right? So they're just jumping through these hoops they've laid out for themselves to stay in the MAGA camp. So no, I don't think that

there it's hit them that they've been played yet they still think they're on the side that's doing the playing and and maybe that's what ice gives them that's maybe that's what their green light to be overtly racist gives them it still lets them feel like they're on the side that's implementing the fuckery not the people

MARK HAYES (09:11.829)
Ahem.

Brock Ganeles (09:28.778)
that getting fucked with. they've still deluded themselves into thinking that what's been thrown their way so far, they can manage and we're, you know, pussies, us, we, the lefties, are pussies for not being able to, you know, man up and handle it. That's what I see from what we get on our chat board.

MARK HAYES (09:31.043)
Right.

MARK HAYES (09:48.494)
later.

Right, right. Let me just ask you this. I did not realize that there have been a dozen firings of top generals and admirals by Hecset since he took office. He just asked General Randy George, right, the top, the army's top uniformed officer to step down in the middle of a war against Iran. Now,

Why would you ask a West Point graduate with what, 25, 30 years of service? Experience, right? The death of expertise, it continues, right? Look, I get hammered before I come to work and I know more than you, says Pete Hegseth, right? You know, because he watched Band of Brothers or he watched Black Hawk Down. I mean, how do you not defer to the experts?

especially in a holy war. Help me, brah.

Brock Ganeles (10:54.762)
Well, we don't know what the reason for the firing is, right? But, but our best guess would be contrary opinions coming back at Hegseth, you know, about the way we're handling the war. Maybe someone in the room in these meetings is saying, Hey, we can't bomb these civilian bridges. We can't bomb these water facilities. That's those are civilian targets that constitutes a war crime.

MARK HAYES (11:07.188)
No doubt.

MARK HAYES (11:19.638)
Right. Right?

Brock Ganeles (11:21.214)
That's not how we can undergo this military operation. And if someone with a conscience who's been to West Point, who knows the rules of engagement, who cares about how the American military conducts themselves on the world stage, and by the way, wants to fight war legally, says something and contradicts their management team, Trump and Hexeth, then yeah, they're going to get themselves fired.

So chances are we commend the people that are being fired because they probably said something that we agree with. My the problem with military leaders as we found with Kelly and Milley finally came around is they don't like to air dirty laundry. So we might not hear what it is that triggered the firing.

MARK HAYES (11:49.452)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (11:56.919)
Right.

MARK HAYES (12:08.075)
Right.

MARK HAYES (12:13.864)
Exactly. All right. Another firing high profile and we're liking it. Pam Bondi, Pammy Jo out of a job. Pammy get your resume together, babe. You're out of here. You're out of here. I love it. I love it because she thought she was untouchable. Every time you went on the Capitol Hill and acted like a jackass.

You friggin hyena. You finally got what was coming to you. Right? He wants you to go after his political enemies and make stuff up. You realize as somebody that went to the University of Samoa Law School, isn't that where a guy from better call Saul, didn't he go to American Samoa?

Brock Ganeles (13:07.003)
I don't know. Good show. We'll come back to that. Very good.

MARK HAYES (13:11.722)
Great job. Yeah, American Samoa Law School taught you that you just can't make cases up against people. And, you know, again, you know, these people are the worst of the worst that are that are looting us right now, allegedly governing, they're looting us. Pammy Jo was another one, not prosecuting.

Brock Ganeles (13:32.769)
I wanna know, okay, there's a lot of speculation bouncing around. I wanna know why Bondi was fired. Why was she fired? Was she fired because she didn't do the coverup strong enough that she let too many files out? We haven't seen a file in a month. You tell me what DOJ director is gonna protect Trump's ass more than Pam Bondi. So what did she do?

that got in his bad side. Was a little bit sloppy with some of the files, they weren't redacted enough, so Trump was mad, because there's no doubt the only thing Trump cares about, he doesn't care about justice in America and the actual law and order of the department. He cares about whether he's being protected and whether his political, what he deems as political enemies, which is anyone who says anything against them, are being prosecuted and or harassed.

MARK HAYES (14:18.761)
No. At all.

Brock Ganeles (14:31.612)
So my issue with, yeah, we're all happy to see Pam Bondi fired as we're happy to see Kristi Noem fired, right? Woohoo, fantastic. They got what's coming. They thought they could play along and their proximity to power would protect them and they got too big for the britches so they fucked up along the way. But the next person is going to be worse because that person's gonna have to do a better job of the Epstein files coverup.

MARK HAYES (14:35.534)
Woohoo!

Amen.

Brock Ganeles (15:00.67)
that person's going to have to do a more aggressive F you to Congress and us, the American people who want those fire files disclosed. He, where he's not putting a new DOJ head in place, who's going to actually do things right by rule of law. He's just going to put someone that's even more aggressively taking care of him, the individual.

MARK HAYES (15:01.006)
Thank

MARK HAYES (15:08.78)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (15:14.914)
Right.

MARK HAYES (15:21.196)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (15:30.41)
Donald Trump. So I'm sort of mixed bag on the Bondi firing because I just, I don't think it's, I think we're going to take steps backwards and we're going to get even increased stonewalling at a DOJ as much as I want to see Bondi get prosecuted and basically shunned from society. What do you think? I'm worried about the next person.

MARK HAYES (15:55.928)
No.

Well, I mean, so am I. They're talking about Zeldin, that criminal from the EPA, or Todd Blanch, I mean, Todd Blanch, who just lies outright.

Brock Ganeles (16:07.028)
He's the interim. Blanche is the interim. He's getting the job in the short term.

MARK HAYES (16:11.116)
yeah well i mean he's not gonna do anything again he's trump's personal lawyer for god's sake i mean it's

Brock Ganeles (16:20.35)
Yeah, that's our head of DOJ, Trump's personal lawyer. Like it couldn't make the statement any clearer to us about what the priorities are. And the last time I heard from Blanche, right, wasn't he moving Jalane Maxwell to, you know, the Ritz, yeah, the Ritz Hilton of Ritz Carlton of penitentiaries. So we know that his whole game is the cover up.

MARK HAYES (16:24.158)
Right. Right.

MARK HAYES (16:33.902)
I'm fed!

MARK HAYES (16:37.889)
Yeah.

Yeah!

MARK HAYES (16:43.84)
Right, right. So yeah, so you think about all the corruption, all the fuckery that's going on with this administration and the lack of overs, the lack of Congress to be able to conduct oversight. I mean, again, Putin doesn't have to fire a shot to destroy this country. And he knows it.

Because Donald Trump has a to-do list of everything he needs to get done in this four-year term for Vladimir Putin. We already know he's compromised. Let's stop pretending like we don't know it. Because everything we've seen so far in the Epstein files, and let's not forget, if what?

From what we've seen in the Epstein files, we know that the Steele dossier has to have some merit, right? Which we can't do. Yeah!

Brock Ganeles (17:48.225)
Yeah, why would not? It's not, it doesn't seem crazy. Certainly. Why would it be out of the realm? You know, it's, it's, it's right in line with the stories and the chatter we're hearing out of the Epstein files. But let me ask you, so do you think Bondi is going to still come in front of Congress? She, she pretty much has to, well, I guess she could, you know, just ignore the subpoena like so many others have.

MARK HAYES (17:57.581)
Right on brand. Right on brand.

Brock Ganeles (18:15.304)
Or do think she'll come and now just plead the fifth because now she's a private citizen and doesn't have the same protections until she gets pardoned?

MARK HAYES (18:25.706)
Yeah, if she shows up, she won't say anything worthwhile. Because remember, remember, Pammy Jo is in this thing neck deep.

Brock Ganeles (18:36.8)
from the beginning. We have no idea how many bribes she's taken along the way.

MARK HAYES (18:38.402)
from the very beginning.

Exactly, exactly. How many times has her palm been greased over the last 25 years that this thing has been going on? Right from the sweetheart deal at the very beginning.

Right? We don't know. Like, I mean, how complicit she is and how intertwined she is. That's why Epstein had to go. Epstein could have brought down the whole house of cards. Right? But he had to go.

Brock Ganeles (19:13.536)
Yeah, he had to die. Yeah. So we're getting in the chat that this is just that this is another distraction that, you know, Trump's got to move on to another headline and get another 48 72 hour cycle out of something that keeps deferring our demands for the files themselves.

MARK HAYES (19:28.96)
Right.

MARK HAYES (19:36.31)
Right. And now that there's no head.

Brock Ganeles (19:37.184)
Now they could say, it can't even be addressed until a new DOJ head has been confirmed. So that's going to be a whole process. yeah, just kick that can down the road, further and further down the road.

MARK HAYES (19:42.67)
Can we get a head?

Yeah. Yeah.

and and Brock if I'm Democrats I'm doing everything I can to block the confirmation right because you know, let's let's see what's been released already right and let's Let's demand of the new DOJ leader That these files come out in their entirety or else no confirmation pal Or else no confirmation now, we know they're gonna lie

Right right through their teeth And say absolutely these files deserve to be released. They're they're heinous right And then try to get on you know and not do it. That's what zelda will do. That's what blanche will do know all these, you know heavy duty magas Will do the bidding for trump The good thing is, you know now that pami joe is

a private citizen, know, in project 2029 is calling for the prosecution of all these hyenas that have sat here and carry Trump's water are going to face prosecution. Right. The new the 2029 leader of the DOJ, his charge is to prosecute all these fuckers who destroyed America from the inside out.

Brock Ganeles (21:19.36)
Absolutely. There has to be a whole division that just works on these. We're no special prosecutors. We don't need a special prosecutor. It should just be, you know, this is the core of the job. We're cleaning shit up and we're enforcing rule of law. And because without accountability, shit happens again and again and again.

MARK HAYES (21:22.594)
Yep, just does that.

Yeah.

MARK HAYES (21:42.497)
and again and again. Yep. And what we need to do is go through our constitution and tighten up all these loopholes that the Trump regime has been using to get away with looting the American people. Right? How do private citizens like Elon Musk gain access to sensitive government material? Right? We got to tighten that shit up. That shit should never happen again.

Right and it was allowed It was allowed they got all our information bro. Remember what they said about facebook if it's free You're the product We are the product Right for palantir and the epstein class And all these clowns zuckerberg, right? Fuck who's got every one of our addresses and already had it probably bezos right with amazon

Right? Who knows what kind of fuckery him and Musk and the Musk rats are up to. So, you know, Pammy Jo should be the tip of the spear. You know, because once you make an example out of one, you know, then somebody's going to start snitching. You know, most of these people are not built for orange jumpsuits. Just like the all those January Sixers who were crying once they got locked up.

Right? Remember the guy who needed the vegetarian meal?

Brock Ganeles (23:09.396)
Yeah, but this time, this time the prosecution start with the senior names, not the junior people. Like, we got to start at the top and have serious discussions with people who are in power, not the soldiers that followed through. They're culpable, but

MARK HAYES (23:21.656)
Pop down.

Brock Ganeles (23:29.492)
They weren't the decision makers and it was the big mistake on Jan 6 right from the start was all about the little guys and no one went for the backers, the masterminds, the conspiracy that was behind it.

MARK HAYES (23:36.237)
Yep.

MARK HAYES (23:39.67)
Well, we needed Jenny. Yeah. Yeah. Like Jenny. Jenny Thomas. You know? Roger Stone, right?

Brock Ganeles (23:45.8)
any like Roger Stone and all these yahoos who are like actually paying for it and organizing it then in this case we're going to be talking about actual civil servants actual employees of the public government employees so I think it's just more direct shot is that much is that much easier

MARK HAYES (23:52.781)
Right.

MARK HAYES (23:59.161)
government corruption. Yep. Yep.

MARK HAYES (24:08.034)
Yep. All right, before we get out of here, we got a couple of quick hits. Drew Ski. Can I mention Drew Ski? Drew Ski got 120 million views so far. He's got four million views on his Instagram video of Erica Kirk. And now Erica Kirk wants to take him to court. And Drew Ski's response was brilliant. Drew Ski says,

Brock Ganeles (24:15.689)
Mention Drusky, yeah.

Brock Ganeles (24:21.824)
Okay.

MARK HAYES (24:37.602)
Well, listen, you forgave the man that killed your husband, but now I do a little comedy skit and it's a bridge too far. Bruce Keigh, I mean aired her out and I love it. I love it.

Brock Ganeles (24:55.709)
Ok, white guy here. I never heard of Drusky till about 3 days ago when I saw that video that he did mocking Erica Kirk although he didn't mention her by name it was just a dress up skit. And then I saw her reaction and saw that Trump

MARK HAYES (24:59.07)
gosh.

MARK HAYES (25:14.657)
Right.

Right.

Brock Ganeles (25:22.529)
recommended to Erica Kirk that she sue because of course Trump is all about trying to use the court system. He's been finayed on that for fucking 40 years. Um, and now just Guy Drusky is the most famous comedian in the world right now. I gotta say, I didn't think the skit was that good. I mean, it was kind of funny, but like, I didn't think it was like fall off my seat funny. I liked that he was poking fun at Erica Kirk, but he just hit a

MARK HAYES (25:25.536)
Right. Mm-hmm.

MARK HAYES (25:36.76)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (25:47.181)
Well,

Brock Ganeles (25:51.379)
Like in essence, he hit a sore spot, right? And MAGA went crazy because, you can't make fun of them.

MARK HAYES (25:55.918)
Here we go.

the conservative Christian, you know, woman, he hit it, he nailed it, right? The phony tears, right? We need to pray for the truth, right? This faux outrage, right? Like normal women, you know, when their husband is murdered, I don't know, you don't go on tour a week later and sell everything.

And then declare yourself the ceo and head podcaster of turning point usa Right. I mean it's just a joke And he nailed it and they hate him for it They hate him for they hate being called out Right. It's the it's the christian right hypocrisy Right, you can't what kind of christian says all we got to pray for

Just the white men in the world. Where did this white victimization come from? It came from them. It came from these peoples. And you know what? I'm over it, Brock. I'm over it. Because you know what? The US, I did not understand. I had to read Hillbilly Elegy. That JD Vance piece of shit mostly lies.

Right to try to figure out what this white male grievance was all about Right and now come to find out the books all bullshit and so is the movie Right because this guy didn't grow up that way But he wanted you to think he did so he could make some money off the damn book but anyway This this You can't claim, you know white victimization in the u.s Not not when your wealth

MARK HAYES (27:52.563)
is what 17 times the average black American? I mean you can't you you just can't not when you're winning you can't be a victim when you're What say you?

Brock Ganeles (28:08.385)
If they had ignored it, it wouldn't have gotten to the 120 million views, right? They inflamed it and they made it bigger than it was because they couldn't take the joke and just couldn't move on from it. So that's just kind of the idiocy. I mean, I hear your point on you can't be a victim when you got, you know, 17, 18 times the wealth of black people. But white America, the changing demographic.

MARK HAYES (28:13.23)
Do that.

You

Brock Ganeles (28:36.097)
changed the vibe of white America. wasn't enough just to have more than everyone around them. It was they just they just wanted less of everyone around them. Right. And thus the support for Donald Trump's first statement about the Mexicans not sending their best murderers and rapists. Right. And it was all about I want less people that don't look like me around me.

MARK HAYES (28:46.989)
Right.

MARK HAYES (28:57.208)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (29:03.761)
and the victimization just became a sense of, know, I'm not physically in the majority anymore, even though I actually still have just about everything. It's a weird mentality. don't know. I still I mean, I guess I know I now I've learned now I know how embedded racism is into the social and cultural fabric of America.

MARK HAYES (29:18.433)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (29:32.788)
Yes, I should have known that a long time ago. So let's just call it a late in life wake up call that it would trigger, you know, such a backlash. Now some people say the whole backlash was about Obama being elected president because a black man got to the top of the heap and that started the white victimization because then maybe that was a physical representation of them not being in charge anymore. Maybe that was it. I think it was bigger than just an Obama presidency. I don't

MARK HAYES (29:33.121)
Right.

MARK HAYES (29:57.262)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (30:02.773)
doubt that that played a big role in it. But I don't know. don't know how you can think you're a victim when you still have almost everything.

MARK HAYES (30:02.775)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (30:09.058)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (30:12.436)
Everything right now. This isn't the first time Drew ski has done whiteface So, I mean he has a hilarious skit where he's at NASCAR And he's got a couple of others too that are pretty funny So Drew ski basically made a name for himself on the gram Right. He's a social media star Right got hooked up with a couple of musicians some rappers, right? He makes some cameo appearances. He's kind. He's kind of funny

Right? And then all of sudden he's in a movie or something and then next thing you know he kinda sorta takes off. I mean he had three, two or three million followers before this. He probably doubled that by now.

Brock Ganeles (30:51.009)
But you talk about this, the silos of our feeds. He, he's not in my feed. And that's why I don't know who he is. He's not in my feed. And who knows the way things go just from us talking the way AI is my phone's probably listening to everything we said. And I'm probably going to go on Instagram later and it's going to be all kinds of Drusky shit on there. Right? Yeah. You know how works. Big brothers listening to everything we do.

MARK HAYES (30:55.181)
Yes

Yep. Yep. Gotta add him.

MARK HAYES (31:06.766)
You are juicy!

Brock Ganeles (31:14.567)
So, and if I look at one, I'm now gonna get inundated with thousands of them. So it's coming. I'm gonna get to know Drusky real well over here in the next couple of weeks. I'm a Key and Peel guy. They're very heavy rotation and that's old stuff. Yeah, for some reason the algorithm decided, figured out that I think they're funny as shit and now I'm just flooded with old Key and Peel skits.

MARK HAYES (31:20.478)
get out.

MARK HAYES (31:29.848)
my god. Funny.

MARK HAYES (31:37.185)
Yeah. They're hilarious. Yeah. In an unrelated sort of related move, University of Arkansas, did you see this story about the turning point chapter there that has renounced its membership? Said that it no longer respects the values that turning point USA now stands for. So, you know, this is not what Charlie would be doing. So they're out.

Brock Ganeles (31:51.168)
now.

MARK HAYES (32:06.506)
and basically, you know, either forming a new organization, coming up with some other new hate group. I don't know.

Brock Ganeles (32:12.959)
Yeah, good. They're not racist enough. Like they're moving in Nick Fuente's direction. Because I'm sure you saw that campus group, GOP campus group in University of Miami, when their chats got exposed. It was like, Jesus Christ, this is like neo-Nazi KKK shit. So I always wonder if Charlie Kirk wasn't enough.

MARK HAYES (32:28.796)
Got leaked in.

MARK HAYES (32:36.353)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (32:40.085)
that that means they're even further to the right, not that they're having one of those epiphanies about equality and fairness in America.

MARK HAYES (32:43.437)
Hey

MARK HAYES (32:49.344)
Hey before the man got unalived he made Just a ridiculous racist statement with his last breath He he took racism to the grave with him. So I don't know how he wasn't racist enough for these people. So You know, they are what they are Anywho. All right, you got another quick hit for me

Brock Ganeles (32:59.499)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (33:13.939)
No, no, I'm all good for the day, Mark. I get back to the chat. and Magda are gonna, you know, we're in a dialogue. And for anyone who stayed with us this long in our division of labor, please do come on the chat and comment. And I, white guy here, does most of those responses. So I know you're throwing your racism at the chat room. But I guess...

MARK HAYES (33:15.116)
Okay. All right. Well,

Brock Ganeles (33:41.397)
For most of MAGA I'm just a race trader anyway. Just the fact that I have a conversation with you every day Mark is enough to to inflame them.

MARK HAYES (33:47.649)
Right, right. Getting fired up. I mean, look, you know, they are what they are. They are who they are. You know, I find it funny. know, racism is learned, right? We're not born with it, right? And, you know, it really does indicate

you know, where you really came from, right? Because if your parents are teaching you to be, you know, racist, misogynistic, homophobic in 2026, you're not really winning. I don't know how you're gonna function in our society. You know, again, the rest of the world is moving forward. You know, we are actively trying to go back in time.

Brock Ganeles (34:41.631)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (34:46.913)
You're shrinking the band, you know, the lane that you can play in if that's who you are. But that's the decision a lot of Americans have made that they're going to play in that one third of America lane and think that they're going to run shit from the one third. So far it's worked. So far it's worked. So hard to be too critical. So far they're winning in the last 10 years. They're winning. We had a

MARK HAYES (35:04.61)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (35:16.961)
small section in there where we thought things were moving forward again, but now we're on a sprint backwards. So yeah, in the big picture and down the road, you would think these people are making themselves in essence obsolete in society, but they don't see it that way. Cause right now they, they see themselves bullying us into submission and just running around here and chasing the black and brown people out of society.

MARK HAYES (35:38.859)
Right.

MARK HAYES (35:46.87)
Right. We're still here. We're still here. We ain't going anywhere. I ain't got nowhere to go. You know, I was born in the Bronx, baby. So if somebody tells me to go home, I'm going back to New York City. So that's what it is, you know, and I haven't even gotten on, you know, the familytree.com, you know, to figure out where my people are from. you know, as far as I'm concerned, revolution.

Brock Ganeles (35:58.997)
Ha ha ha!

MARK HAYES (36:14.926)
It will not be televised. It will be live-streamed Okay We're moving up in technology. All right, good brother another great episode Sounds good. Peace

Brock Ganeles (36:27.681)
All right, Mark, always a pleasure. I'll talk to you tomorrow.