2 Men In Black and White: An Honest Conversation

MARK HAYES (00:01.602)
Alright ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another exciting edition of Two Men in Black and White and Honest Conversation. Wow, we're just a couple of yahoos with streaming capability that love to talk about the state of the shit show that is American politics. It is pretty sad that we have now lost the fighter jet. What are those things? A few million dollars each? What? Three, four, five? Nah, probably more than that.

I mean, Regular charter jets, Brock, went for what, eight, $10 million?

Brock Ganeles (00:36.298)
Probably more than that. Yeah, I would hope with the advanced technology on them that they'd be worth more than that

MARK HAYES (00:40.792)
with the technology. Absolutely. Brock and Ellis joins us now from the beautiful confines of the upper Hudson River Valley and Brock, you know, in his state of the state or whatever the hell that was the other night, basically, what the fuck did he just say that the American the United States of America needs more money for defense with all these wars? Well, stop starting them. How about that?

How about you stop picking fights with everybody? All right? The American war machine was not designed to fight everyone. Right? I don't even really believe that it was designed to fight anyone in particular. I believe it was designed to enhance military operations around the globe that needed our assistance to ensure.

that the pursuit of democracy was not hindered in places where it was welcome. That's what I believe. Now, I could be wrong, right? We lived through the Cold War, right? The arms race, right? That's all we heard when we were kids. But now, why do we need all this money for defense?

MARK HAYES (02:07.278)
Somebody help me.

Brock Ganeles (02:07.517)
Mark, I find it shocking that if this is true, right, and the Trump administration seems to float everything out there to test the waters before they really do anything, like we're rarely surprised by anything that comes out. But if this is true, that in the next budget, which would be in September, so it'd be the 2027 budget, that they're going to propose a 40 % increase in military spending. Now we already have a defense budget, right, that it's like

10x anyone else's in the world to a 40 % defense budget which is already really the biggest line item in the entire budget at a time where oh by the way we're also cutting corporate taxes and taxes for the wealthiest how is this first of all how's this math gonna work except we kind of know we're gonna starve every social program across the board so the American people's lives

MARK HAYES (02:40.312)
Right.

MARK HAYES (02:48.097)
Right.

MARK HAYES (02:56.866)
Mixed up.

Brock Ganeles (03:06.513)
or going to get worse while we just load up on more weaponry so Trump can run around the globe and bomb anyone he fucking wants. But we know what's really the side story is that Trump has figured out how to siphon a whole bunch of these funds into his own pocket and his family's pocket. So he just wants more money in that budget because he's starting to view the military budget.

MARK HAYES (03:28.685)
Yes.

Brock Ganeles (03:35.599)
as his personal slush fund. This has nothing to with American national interest and there is no fucking way we can let this fly as a country.

MARK HAYES (03:37.963)
Right.

MARK HAYES (03:46.252)
No way, no way. And you know what? The 10 % cuts to everything else, you know, are right up there in line to me with the Doji cuts, right? We were making those cuts for no good reason. We still haven't been told what the cuts were for, how much money they saved, why they had to be done. We don't know any of that, right? We just know.

that this clown, Elon Musk and his Musk rats were given access to all of the most sensitive data in the US government. Now, what's he doing with it? What's he doing with all our information? Who's he sharing it with? What was the purpose?

Brock Ganeles (04:31.903)
look he he sold Trump on this idea that Trump thought it would sound good. Musk got access to everyone's data. Project 2025 liked it because it was cutting a lot of the money that was flowing to people of color. So they are they're fine and played right into their white supremacy agenda. Elon Musk's on board with that as well.

Doji ended up being a fraud. We'll never get an explanation on what money was saved because no money was saved in the end. Programs were cut, foreign aid was cut, but the deficit continues to go up. It didn't work, which is why no one ever talks about it anymore. Trump buried it because it's not something that was effective. Musk gets to keep all the data that he stole because there's no rule of law in this country anymore.

MARK HAYES (05:14.722)
Really?

Brock Ganeles (05:24.807)
and Project 2025 shrugged their shoulders and said, yeah, okay, so what? We cut the Department of Education? that was on our checklist. we stopped sending foreign aid out? that was on our checklist. So it met the Project 2025 checklist, but no fucking way we're getting an explanation in why it had to be done. It had to be done because we're implementing a white nationalistic movement here in America. And that was a part of it.

MARK HAYES (05:52.065)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (05:54.036)
But now explain to me what's the argument going to be for the 40 % increase in military spending that we have to play policemen to the world that we're now an interventionist state or that we're now in aggressive state that's looking around the globe for places that we want to intervene and we need more weaponry to do that. So now we're the apex predator of the world, not the protector. And I think it's just

in essence, America taking on Donald Trump's persona. We're going to be predators as he is.

MARK HAYES (06:28.16)
Right.

MARK HAYES (06:32.502)
Right. Right. Purely a predator. And well, from what we've seen of the Epstein files, nobody does it better. In the meantime, you know, we've lost this fighter jet. And I believe I read that they had rescued the pilot. So, you know, I mean, one, one out two. Right.

Brock Ganeles (06:55.429)
one out of two one out of two I believe there's still someone missing and we're looking for him and Iran's looking for him because they want a hostage you know it right

MARK HAYES (07:01.216)
missing right That's what they do that's what they do best so they could drag them through the streets right in the middle of their holy war and Hold up the infidel and talk about how evil you know the the ultimate satan really is you know Look you can't win

How many times have I said it? can't win a holy war. So now we're fighting for Jesus. What is Hegseth talking about? What are these people doing? They're obviously not listening to the expert, right?

I think they overestimated the American capability when it comes to the Middle East. because they don't really understand who the enemy is and what the enemy is really willing to do. They might be evil, Hegseth and Trump. They ain't ideologues like you have in Iran and Iraq.

and Saudi Arabia and other places in the Middle East where you see people willing to when they say they willing to die for this shit. they're not playing. They are not playing because I'm 72 virgins are up there and they're and they want to get theirs. So, you know, the sooner the better. But the American but any chance you get to take out the Americans, you got to love it.

What scares me is that we are now less safe than ever. We got cash Patel dancing around in his underoos on video, right? Not protecting the American people because we've got details watching his girlfriend taking her to her, you know, B listing, you know, appearances that she's got to make when she sings off key. We're screwed. If they bring the fight to us on

MARK HAYES (09:14.696)
on our soil, we're screwed.

Brock Ganeles (09:18.493)
Mark actually will push back on one topic. I do think that Hexeth is an ideologue or, or a religious, maybe it's not ideologue, maybe it's not ideas that drive him, but he's seems to be as close to a religious fanatic as we've ever had in that kind of position of power, right? He's really hardcore religious, right? He's pushing to our troops that they are in a holy war. They're the troops don't appear to be buying it.

MARK HAYES (09:24.237)
You look...

MARK HAYES (09:36.323)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (09:48.5)
But Hexeth is sitting up there in his tower. He's kind of, he thinks he's got the Bible behind them and he's fighting for Jesus. He throws as much religiosity into this fight as they do on the other side. It's, it's kind of un-American. That's not what we fight for. We do fight for ideas. So maybe ideologue was the wrong term.

MARK HAYES (10:05.868)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (10:15.175)
I he's incompetent, but he's got a, he's got a crazy in him and a bloodthirst in him that maybe has some religious undertones to it. So he's not, you know, I don't view him as a sane character at the top of this heap in charge of our military. I'm reading about fractures underneath him and

MARK HAYES (10:35.694)
Thanks for watching.

Brock Ganeles (10:40.413)
Well, of course we see the pushback. He's firing the generals because they're disagreeing with him, you know, which is, which is ultra concerning, but he's, he's still in favor with Trump cause Trump's enjoying the bombing for now. But I just wonder how long he can stay in favor because this war is hurting Trump's popularity. And we saw with Pam Bondi and with Noam that once someone starts to chip away,

MARK HAYES (10:45.773)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (11:10.655)
Trump's popularity or he decides he needs someone to blame I got to feel like Hegseth is is kind of on thinner ice than he's ever been as As is by the way as I would assume cash Patel is as well And we've already heard that Tulsi Gabbard is as well So sounds like Trump's starting to turn on turn on everyone in his team

MARK HAYES (11:20.248)
Right.

MARK HAYES (11:32.437)
Right, which is what he does. know, Trump 1.0 showed us that. You know, but those were adults, right? These people have lasted longer because they're zealots, nut jobs, know, white nationalists, white supremacists. These people have held on a little bit longer. You know, I, hey, look.

If we see a US serviceman or woman dragged through the streets of Iran and tortured, we're going to have a real problem here in this country. mean, Americans are not going to stand for it, especially when we don't even know why we're there. That's the biggest problem. Why is one of our finest?

being dragged through streets, tortured, know, probably, probably going to be murdered on video. And for what reason? For what reason? Because Donald Trump has been compromised with the PP tapes and they've got all kinds and everybody around the world who wants Donald Trump to do something for them.

has those peepee tapes.

Brock Ganeles (13:01.959)
Yeah, Mark remember we're talking about the ice with ice. were like, wow, you know, the country hasn't gotten riled up about ice yet because we haven't seen anyone die on video yet. And we were like, wow, they've the government's been lucky that they haven't had an incident yet. And then boom, boom, two in a row on camera. And in essence, the sentiment on ice shifted in a heartbeat.

MARK HAYES (13:23.181)
Got the best.

Brock Ganeles (13:28.135)
and they'll never get it back now. is now in absolute negative two thirds of the country is against it. If there's a visual, if there's a visual like you just laid out on the war with an American soldier, right? Being like, you know, defiled in front of a crowd on video, it'll only trigger to the American people more, why are we there?

Because there was, cause if you think about the Iraq, our last war, Iraq and Afghanistan, yeah, Americans were getting killed and bombed and IEDs and all that. But the country has a, as a whole had a blood thirst. And let's face it, we were on board with that war. We wanted, we wanted revenge. We want to revenge. 2000 plus of our people have been killed on our soil.

MARK HAYES (14:15.49)
Yeah. You want a revenge, right?

Brock Ganeles (14:23.537)
And we as a country, we look back and a lot of us are like, wow, we were, we're on the wrong side of that. We let our like anger dictate our decisions, get the best of us. So the American, but we started this war with the American people already asking the question, huh? What's going on? What's the justification? It was changing every day. We get a really bad visual on an American soldier. I think the American sentiment is going to be

MARK HAYES (14:32.802)
Get the best of it. Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (14:53.669)
aggressively aggressive against this war and that might be the end of Hegseth.

MARK HAYES (14:53.774)
you

MARK HAYES (15:00.43)
It'll be the end of Hexeth and maybe, it kickstarts the revolution.

Maybe it gets people to DC. They say, what's wrong with you, you fucking nut job? Get our men and women out of harm's way. Stop doing Israel's bidding and get the fuck out of get our guys the fuck out of there. Right? Now that you got the Saudis, right? The Qataris and everybody else telling, you know, Trump finished the job, baby. Get in there. Bombs away. Keep bombing up. You know,

Brock Ganeles (15:32.977)
Yeah. Kill them all.

MARK HAYES (15:35.17)
Yeah, kill all! Keep putting your guys and gals out there. You know, that's what we need to do.

Brock Ganeles (15:40.511)
Spending your money, spending your money, spending your money on it.

MARK HAYES (15:46.004)
our tax dollars that we the 99 percent are paying for not the Epstein class.

Brock Ganeles (15:51.712)
Look we'd hope the Epstein files would take Trump down, but maybe it's a collective belief that he can't be commander-in-chief Maybe maybe ultimately that is a tipping point where hey, we can't have this guy in charge of our military He's too reckless. He's bombing left and right and then all of sudden people start going people meaning the citizens start going back to all those bombings in the in the

MARK HAYES (15:56.856)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (16:20.957)
like Gulf of Mexico and like in the Pacific, those random Bob names in the Caribbean and say, Whoa, what was that all about? and he was threatening Greenland and breaking up NATO. What was that all about? Like, and there starts to be this, you know, ball, you know, ball rolling downhill at the games momentum that this guy is can't handle being commander in chief. He's it's too risky.

MARK HAYES (16:26.606)
Right.

MARK HAYES (16:45.678)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (16:47.847)
Maybe that's what cracks the veneer of Trump in the way. I mean, the Epstein files could still do it, but he's stonewalling those like a motherfucker. So I'm not sure we're going to, that's going to, that's going to be the trigger.

MARK HAYES (16:48.194)
Right.

MARK HAYES (16:57.705)
yeah.

Right. And the scary part about that is that not only does he get away with it, but so do all the other, you know, high powered names that may not be as recognizable that are in the Epstein files that have perpetrated, you know, dastardly deeds on these children. You know, these women when they were little girls and teens.

which is absolutely disgusting. You I used to think, you know, we gave a damn about white children, but I guess you have to be from a certain class to be, you know, in order for someone to fight for justice for you. Is that what we're doing now in America? We're deciding who the victim is and how much justice they deserve, you know, based on their tax bracket, right? Because...

Brock Ganeles (17:54.656)
No, I think we're deciding who the perpetrator is and deciding what they deserve based on their tax bracket.

MARK HAYES (17:59.876)
gotcha. Got, cause that sounds a whole lot, that's a lot easier, right? Because remember Virginia Joufray, right? No family to speak of, nobody out there advocating for her, right? A lot of these girls were not going to be missed, right? So when they came up missing, no one was looking for them. And they, and obviously the Epstein class saw them as throwaways. Just like,

Brock Ganeles (18:27.188)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (18:31.177)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (18:33.46)
our military men and women. The Epstein class sees them as throwaways. Right? We've got some of the finest fighter pilots in the galaxy. Right? Our men and women that come out of the Air Force Academy, those are the best of the best. Right? Our Navy fighter pilots, our, our fighting fleet that flies is the best in the world.

Brock Ganeles (19:00.866)
god, we love that shit. Makes for great movies, right?

MARK HAYES (19:04.57)
Absolutely, but it's real that shit's based on reality That's not some made up, you know movie script we've actually got those people and We're wasting them for to do israel's bidding to do the bidding of the saudis

Brock Ganeles (19:25.727)
One of those one of those one of those guys is missing so you said they found the pilot which means it's a it's They found maverick right, but goose goose is still missing

MARK HAYES (19:35.682)
Goose in this? Right. Right. And maybe, just maybe, that's what gets America up off the couch and into the nation's capital to gum up the fucking works. I think it is. I think it's enough.

Brock Ganeles (19:52.0)
I hope we find him and get him out of there. hope it's not going to take Goose being dragged through the streets of Tehran and getting beheaded on national television to rile up America. Sadly that it might take that. I hope it doesn't. I hope we get to him first.

MARK HAYES (20:06.327)
Right?

Brock Ganeles (20:15.357)
But he was, he was, he was, there was a second plane that went down today or was it a helicopter where they also rescued the pilot. So like we, we've had a bunch of downed aircraft today where we're getting to them first. We're, we're scrambling to find our people, but you know, it's a numbers game, Mark. keep, you keep flying around. mean, things go wrong. Well, we already lost, we already lost six airmen on the refueling plane.

MARK HAYES (20:24.864)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (20:44.118)
Right. Trump is asking Congress to boost defense spending by $1.5 trillion. American money. American trillions. But we don't have money for daycare. We don't have money for schools. We don't have money for educational programs. We don't have money for scholarships.

Brock Ganeles (21:01.417)
food stamps, rural healthcare, hospitals.

MARK HAYES (21:04.91)
Fiddles. Well, we got 1.5 trillion.

Brock Ganeles (21:06.897)
medicaid, home health care.

MARK HAYES (21:11.234)
Healthcare subsidies. We don't have money for that shit. Because that shit, can't, we can't. Did you hear Trump on the day?

Brock Ganeles (21:17.639)
FEMA, FEMA, don't have money to help people out after their homes get destroyed in natural disasters. No, we had to cut that money. We don't have money even to track storms anymore because we don't want to fucking know what's coming. We're just going to get hit with them overnight because we don't have the money for the science that goes into figuring, figuring shit out. We don't have money for any of that, but we're going to, we're going to have more Patriot missiles and more of these F-15s because we're going to want to be bombing.

countries all over the world because Trump's got a bloodthirst and now he's got you know this is fun for him it's like a video game he gets to sit there and he gets to bully everyone in the world and he's also figured out how to position him and his family in some of these companies so that the money flows right back to him and now he's got 1.5 trillion dollars worth of shit that he gets to dictate where it goes

MARK HAYES (22:10.103)
I took

Brock Ganeles (22:17.415)
and the corruption will be rampant. Are we going to let this shit happen? Are we just going to sit the fuck around and let this shit happen? Let our military get killed while our president steals the money.

MARK HAYES (22:21.47)
massive.

MARK HAYES (22:30.382)
Well, bro, bro, bro, I mean, just think of a half a, if they funnel a half a trillion to themselves, what is that? 500 billion?

I mean what the actual fuck are we doing? Why are we gonna pay for this for this bunch of clowns?

Brock Ganeles (22:53.213)
Mark, watched this already. The PPP money. Remember when Jared was in charge and they were just flowing to their friends, to themselves. No one knows where the fuck that money went. That was like a dress rehearsal for now what they think the military budget is.

MARK HAYES (23:06.976)
Right, right. God Almighty.

Wow, just, I don't understand how much longer we're gonna put up with this. I don't understand. And the people who used to be truth tellers and fighters for justice in the media are going right along with it. They're complicit in this shit. They're reporting these new jobs. There's no way we had 180,000 new jobs this month. There's no way. Brock, and you...

Look, I'm no financial GG, but you can't tell me we haven't had two consecutive quarters of negative growth.

Brock Ganeles (23:48.468)
There's no fucking way that those employment numbers were close to realistic. What was buried underneath the story is they revised down February, which means February was a lie. Now they're adjusting it down and it was the worst February since like 2020 or something, which is like COVID, COVID era. There's no way we know that there's not expansion going on.

MARK HAYES (23:54.711)
Ain't no way.

MARK HAYES (24:07.287)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (24:10.463)
We know there's no job growth going on. We live in the real fucking world. We know people that live in the world. Like it didn't happen. It was a fake. They needed good news. They needed something they could hang their hat on. They pulled a number out of their ass and the media fucking headlined it all over the place as if it was the gospel. How can you be in the media covering Trump 2.0 watching this guy now on the national stage for 10 years?

Maybe you've watched him for 40, 50 years, but even if you just woke up in the last 10 years, how can you still be reporting this stuff as if it is truth and not with a wary eye? How can you possibly, what are you doing in the media? I mean AI just might as well taken the number, wrote the headline and put it in print. And that's why American media has been one of the biggest losers of the Trump era. And I'm not sure.

MARK HAYES (24:49.07)
Right.

MARK HAYES (24:57.185)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (25:05.939)
how they're ever gonna get it back. And certainly not in our lifetime.

MARK HAYES (25:11.252)
No, no. And it might be with social media, the onslaught of social media, the inability of people to pay attention to anything, you know, for more than a minute, you know, the American public has the attention span of a gnat. And, you know, the fragmented and nonstop news cycles have contributed to that.

Right? Because we can't keep an eye on anything. Right? We can't stick with anything. At all. And so, you know, all people do now is wait out the news cycle, right? For the next thing to happen. And that's what's going on here. And, you know, they know, and nobody's complaining. Nobody's calling these TV stations saying, why the are you reporting that? That can't be true.

Do you not see the $5 gas? What's California? Six bucks now? Close to $6? We're at four bucks here in Georgia!

Brock Ganeles (26:10.919)
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, mine's

up to $4.39 here jumped 30 cents in the last 10 days. Yeah, I think they just wanted it. You know, the administration was just dying for a positive headline. So they engineered that number today, but it got lost in the shuffle. It got overwhelmed by the news in Iran. So plane goes down. they got, they got no bump out of that, you know, bullshit. Basically they tried to feed us today. I guess there's some solace in that, but, and you know what?

MARK HAYES (26:42.007)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (26:45.627)
Let the mainstream media die. It's all owned by right-wing guys anyway, so let them all die and maybe independent media picks up the pieces and that becomes our next mainstream. Trusted sources just change. You know, I guess so what? It's wasted. We could have used them as a part of the resistance. It would have been nice to have the fourth estate doing their job telling truth to power.

not allowing democracy to die in darkness but unfortunately that's not the era we live in that didn't happen and media failed and played along and was complicit with this authoritarian movement that's how I view it as a complicity with authoritarianism I don't know paychecks I don't I don't know what the motivation was

MARK HAYES (27:35.733)
absolutely.

MARK HAYES (27:39.727)
Right. It's ridiculous, no matter how you cut it. And I'm shocked that like the media purists, a lot of them that I grew up with in the business, you know, from the late eighties, right through the mid, you know, 20 teens have allowed this to happen. I was shocked when we allowed Donald Trump to run with fake news.

Right and and that we didn't rebut that shit with fury because I I I once had a classmate ask me hey hey, hey Is that shit you guys put on the news every night? Is that shit real? Are you fucking insane? I thought I I I went off I was like dude. I've never been to a meeting an editorial meeting where we made shit up So, I don't know what you're talking about

Brock Ganeles (28:19.53)
Hehehe.

MARK HAYES (28:35.628)
You know, so, you know, look, we dropped the ball there. The industry dropped the ball there and now they're going to suffer for it. You know, it's no longer the cash cow. used to be these local news broadcasts and these national news broadcasts because they can't keep anybody's attention. You know, so 60 minutes, you know, it used to be the gold standard. Who even watches 60 minutes after they gave Marjorie Taylor Greene a platform? Not me.

Brock Ganeles (29:01.536)
Yeah, they destroyed it. Barry West destroyed it. Hey, normally I would root for local news, but if it's going to be owned by Sinclair and a bunch of fucking right wing propagandists, then I want it to die because I don't see, you know, it's, it's giving a even more slanted version of what's going on in the country than we used to get. And what we've learned is even what we used to get was a whitewashed version of the, of the truth.

MARK HAYES (29:13.613)
Yeah?

MARK HAYES (29:30.092)
Right. And think about what happened in the early 90s when your boy Rupert Murdoch showed up. Totally fucked this country. Totally fucked it. And of course, remember who he used to propel his news product. He used Black America. And you know why? Because nobody watches more TV than Black America. Right?

Brock Ganeles (29:30.598)
Now it's even worse. Let it die.

MARK HAYES (29:59.087)
Remember when Fox first came to prominence? They got it. They had all those black shows. All the black shows. And then they got the NFL. Right? And then with all the money they made, they launched that fucking Fox News. And I can speak from experience because when we used to do the Rasmussen report, you know Rasmussen is the Fox News official polar. God Almighty. I was like, where is he getting this shit from?

Brock Ganeles (30:01.809)
Yeah, well that's great, sure.

Brock Ganeles (30:22.72)
Whole start, yeah, the four.

MARK HAYES (30:29.398)
And it was must do. It would come across to us. Must show. Right? He had a spot in our broadcast because we were owned by News Corp. News Corp has media properties on every continent in the world.

in the world and it's fucking us over fucking us over worldwide all right give me a quick hit so we can get up out of here on a Friday

Brock Ganeles (30:59.168)
I was watching a couple black hosted podcasts today and they were critical. It was criticisms of the no Kings rallies. So it sucked me in because I had a conversation with my neighbor on the street today. Also asked him, Hey, what'd you think of the rally the other day? And he was also like, the speeches were like dry and boring. And he's like, they just not angry enough.

MARK HAYES (31:12.108)
Really?

Brock Ganeles (31:25.738)
You know, he's like, yeah, my wife was happy just to be out there like Tennessee Snyder said to see that other people were also out there, but there were like the energy is not at the level that it needs to be with his read. So I'm watching these black podcasters and they're absolutely critical saying these no Kings are a waste of time. They're getting nothing done. A they're still, you know, there's still a race problem because people are just want.

MARK HAYES (31:25.91)
Mm-mm.

MARK HAYES (31:37.566)
which is green.

Brock Ganeles (31:51.009)
their stuff back and their America back. They're not talking about a more equal America. And then one of the women who popped out in there really made a funny comment that stuck with me said, you got to stop calling these things protests. Let's be honest, just call them meetups. Just call them meetups. Cause you're all just getting out there and chatting it up and you're doing it on a Saturday and he's using our terms too. like, they're not disruptive. It's not during the week. You're not in DC.

MARK HAYES (32:11.886)
Really.

Brock Ganeles (32:20.2)
So it me really, it was really interesting to me to see now like open critique, not just black America not attending the rallies, but really being critical and in essence mocking the lack of anger and the lack of like vibrancy of the resistance.

MARK HAYES (32:40.341)
in minutes.

Yeah, bro, you have got to, I'll never forget the first up close protest that I witnessed in my lifetime, right? It was in college, we were upset with the university and Lee Atwater being added to the board of directors at Howard University, board of trustees and.

Remember Lee Atwater's Southern Strategy, N-word, N-word, N-word, right? All day long, right? The busing and all that, you know, the architect of the Southern Strategy was going to sit on the Board of Trustees at the most prominent African-American institution in America. And our students were having none of it. Roz Baraka, Mayor of Newark, one of the leaders of the movement.

And we took over the A building, not me, but we, students at Howard University, took over the administration building there to the point where Jesse Jackson came out to mediate talks, to the point where DC police had to come out and surround the building and demand that students come out. It was contentious.

and it was righteous indignation. And he did not make it to the board of trustees. And I remember, you know, how passionate people, people were going, groups of students in the movement were going class to class saying, get to the A building now, we're taking it over. We're shutting everything down until they promised that this guy will not sit on our board of trustees. And so,

MARK HAYES (34:38.87)
That's my framework for what a protest should look like. You shut it down. You take it over. You demand. Demand what you want. And there's nothing different about this. Right? I mean, it is the same thing. We don't want Trump anymore. Get him out of there. So let's shut it down.

And when you look at it from that perspective, how we, and whose idea was, I never found out whose idea it was for Lee Atwater to be on the board of trustees at Howard University.

You know, we just almost produced a president this year. She would have been the first female, first African American female to be president.

She was on the yard when I was there.

So I was among kings and queens. Ross Baraka, look what he's done in Newark. I think it was 2022, they never fired, the police in Newark, New Jersey never fired a shot. No one fired their service weapons in Newark, New Jersey. I think it was 2022. You can look it up if you're in the chat. But it's gotta be righteous indignation. We can't just be out there sharing lattes.

MARK HAYES (36:09.27)
Right and silk scarves and you know baking tips. It's not gonna work. Yeah I'm referring to ladies, but you know your signature scarf. I love it But but I mean brock it's it's got to be nasty because that's the only thing he responds to Is the is the indignation?

Brock Ganeles (36:15.444)
So scars?

MARK HAYES (36:33.614)
So there, I'm off my soap.

Brock Ganeles (36:34.014)
And as I walked in, was like, yeah, this is why the movement needs the unity because it needs that energy from black America who does know how to really protest and protest in a way to get shit done. And white America is not there yet. Maybe, Mark, maybe if, as we said earlier, an American airman, one of our best and brightest, one of our top guns.

MARK HAYES (36:46.561)
we've there.

MARK HAYES (36:50.38)
Right?

Brock Ganeles (37:02.068)
gets captured in Iran and we have to see that on TV. Maybe that triggers, you know, in essence, white America to get angry or slash angry enough to be to be seen. In the meantime, we'll still be clamoring and calling for the next protest to be in D.C. with a wave of people and to be disruptive. And maybe it can start on a weekend, but to be scheduled to continue.

through the quote work week so that it's actually something that that fucks with the economy and fucks with the political process and fucks with the basic functioning of American life, not just a Saturday meetup as the woman on the podcast today pointed out. You know, I was calling them my polite parades. You know, she even downgraded them to meetups.

MARK HAYES (37:40.078)
Got to!

MARK HAYES (37:51.491)
Right.

MARK HAYES (37:58.73)
Yeah, you can go on an app for those She's you don't need a you don't need a protest to have a meetup. We do meetups in the park Right not taking over the streets disrupting traffic Which is what has to be done in DC shut down the nation's capital and not for a day We can't we can't we can't plan it from nine to five right

Brock Ganeles (38:21.44)
There can't be a scheduled end. It's open ended. You know, it's gotta be open ended.

MARK HAYES (38:26.422)
And that's why we need a more inclusive, right? More representative, more diverse crowd to come out. But look, until white America says, hey, black America, yo, come on out here and get down with us. And then when this is done, when we write this ship, we're gonna rewrite the way America functions, right?

So my quick hit today, and I'm just gonna really quick go through it and we can get back into it tomorrow if you want. The hypocrisy of the NFL, again, rears its ugly head. Todd Bowles, African American head coach down in Tampa Bay, hires his son as a defensive assistant coach. my God, the cries of nepotism from white America can be heard ringing from the mountaintops on high.

Right? How many Shanahan's are in the NFL? How many Kubiak's? Right? How many Phillips's? Right? How many Kiffin's? Right? We've got the same names being manufactured over and over again in the NFL. And yet, how many Schottenheimer's? Right? Like, it's fine when they do it, but my God.

Let the brown folks do it and this shit's gotta stop. Why is that? You know, I mean, look, the game is already what, 75 % black? what, I mean, how many black coaches do we have in the NFL? Right, three?

Brock Ganeles (40:12.746)
We just lost Tomlin, so it's...

MARK HAYES (40:14.7)
But yeah, yeah, I forgot about my stepping down. So might be two. Sheesh, we've got a look.

Brock Ganeles (40:22.804)
Might be one. no. I guess Miami and Balls, maybe two. three, because Demico-Ryans.

MARK HAYES (40:24.232)
Right, right you got what? Yeah

Right, Houston. But you know, just think, you know, it's awful funny that what's good for the goose ain't good for the gander. You know, you can't have it both ways. You can't have everything. Gosh almighty. And then sit there and say, what are you crying about? You know, look how many black guys are in the league. Look what you did to Deion Sanders' son.

Now, I'll ask you, besides his divorce, what has Dion ever been in trouble for? Never been pulled over for drinking and driving, don't do drugs, never been suspended for performance enhancers, right? Reads the Bible, quotes the Bible, tries to raise responsible young men, his kids don't get in trouble.

Did you see the report that came out about Dion Son and how he got screwed and how the coaches at Cleveland were lying about his work ethic and his preparation process and the fact that he was asking detailed questions and players said nobody was working harder in the quarterback room than Dion Son. And they still demoted him the third team for whatever reason, for whatever get back.

They had a Dion.

MARK HAYES (42:05.814)
his son paid the price which is bullshit so if you get a chance look that article up it is is it is painful to read

Brock Ganeles (42:17.888)
I don't know why there'd be get back on Dion. I thought he's like a beloved ex player. He's one of the guys like what an entertainer. What a talent like what an ambassador for the game played for great teams. He won. He was a winner. He's all a famer. I mean, yeah, he was he had his own style, right? He he didn't he had his own style. He stepped to his own beat. What's that?

MARK HAYES (42:23.746)
and an ambassador.

MARK HAYES (42:34.68)
Roll it.

He didn't explore it!

He didn't conform. Can't control him. Can't tell him what to do because he's too good. Deion, Deion didn't use technique. Deion was just better than everybody. Faster than everybody. Deion was high stepping about 8, 10, 12 strides into his returns on his kick. He knew when he was gone. Because he saw it before everybody else. He was born with that gift.

Right? And everywhere he went, he won.

I mean this guy was hitting triples in the morning. I mean scoring touchdowns early afternoon and hitting a triple the same night in the playoffs.

Brock Ganeles (43:25.47)
Yeah, shit, I'd forgotten he's a two-sport athlete. All right, Mark. Yeah. You don't really need me to answer. We know the answer on this one. You know how I feel about the NFL, All right, Mark, always a pleasure. All right, work your mom.

MARK HAYES (43:28.384)
Yeah! Alright, Rack in 10.

MARK HAYES (43:38.606)
Alright, that's it.

We'll rack it up and do it again tomorrow. Revolution.

Yeah.