2 Men In Black and White: An Honest Conversation

MARK HAYES (00:02.222)
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another exciting edition of Two Men in Black and White and Honest Conversation. All right, let's get right into it, folks. Wow, the straight reopens. Apparently it's open, it's closed. We're closing it. We're opening it. They're closing it. They're opening it. We don't know. Right. But allegedly oil prices have dropped about nine, 10 percent. And U.S. stocks soar on the news of the straight opening.

Brock and Ellis joins me from just outside the beautiful city. So nice they named it twice, New York, New York. And he's in the beautiful confines of his lovely abode up in what county is Rhinebeck, Brock? Dutchess, your Dutchess County. All right, on the other side of the river there. All right, let's talk a little bit about it, We're not gonna get, we're not gonna ever.

Brock Ganeles (00:44.569)
Duchess, Duchess County.

MARK HAYES (00:58.508)
find out why we had to do this for Israel, right? So we're left to our own opinions and thoughts as to why we started this stupid war. And the only thing that we can come up with is that Donald Trump was compromised because of the PP tapes and the pedophilia. And this is where Americans are paying. I know I filled up today, 87.

87 grade right the cheap stuff And it was $50 and I didn't hit the f on my little lexus little older suv deal 50 bucks, I refuse to pay more than $50 to fill up and I didn't hit the f 379 I believe was was the price and hopefully it's coming down but but

Like we said in our pre-production meeting, know, the prices go up fast and come down really, really slow.

Brock Ganeles (02:06.693)
So we're going to see now with the lowering of oil prices, what the lag time is between the drop and what we actually see is consumers at the pump. what we kind of know, because we've lived a life, right? Is that it's going to come down a hell of a lot slower than it shot up and all the way along the energy companies are going to be squeezing.

MARK HAYES (02:16.226)
Right. Right.

MARK HAYES (02:22.316)
Ha ha ha ha!

Brock Ganeles (02:34.217)
every nickel of profit they can out of this whole fiasco. Saw a story somewhere that they were making like 30 million dollars an hour during the worst of the shutdown of the Stradahorn Moose. So they're going to miss that 30 million an hour but they'll still be making a nice little spread as oil prices come down but they keep things high at the pump. As American consumers we

like me and you are like everyone else, We're just scratching our head going, what was this all about? What was the point? What did we think we were winning? And now that we're in this soft backpedal trying to find an exit ramp without too much embarrassment for a mad king,

MARK HAYES (03:08.417)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (03:25.983)
What are we going to be saying in a, first of will this hold? And assuming it holds, what are we saying in a month? Is Trump just going to pretend this never happened or is he going to keep still be beating the drum acting as if he saved us all from an imminent nuclear attack from Iran that's of course been looking to kill Americans for 49 years and he finally stepped in and saved us all, which seems to be the narrative that he's, you know,

MARK HAYES (03:48.259)
Right.

MARK HAYES (03:54.186)
Yeah, which nobody believes nobody nobody's buying that crap Nobody's buying that crap. brock the days of donald trump Bullshitting his way through Every bit of the presidency are over Nobody believes this shit anymore Right. He's talking about himself as jesus christ. I thought it was a doctor. The red cross was there We're big what? What you talking about?

Brock Ganeles (03:55.234)
landing on.

MARK HAYES (04:22.604)
I mean, and he, what has he got the door dash lady hanging around the White House? I mean, this guy is all over the place, He's just, he's so far gone, you know, in terms of his mental faculties. I don't even know why we're paying attention to this guy. I mean, mainstream media is reporting on this guy like he's sharp as a tack.

They're not calling any of this shit into question. So mainstream media is letting us down, bigly. And quite frankly, I'm tired of it. Legacy media is on its last leg. know, Brock, this is all about money, right? Legacy media has not had the profit margins that they saw in the 80s, the 90s, and the 2000s, right? Remember the big scare leading up to the

the turn of the century, you know, it never happened, right? And it's all designed to bring attention, right, to our need for information. And you know what, quite frankly, when you stop giving us relevant information, you're of no use to us. When you stop advocating for the people and speaking truth to power, you're of no use to us.

Why would I tune in to CBS News? Right? Why would I tune in to NBC or ABC News when I know all you're doing is you're barely scratching the surface and you're not even calling the question the obvious. Very few shows right now are calling it the question the obvious. I mean, you got Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O'Donnell, Stephanie Rule, who are pointing out what they see factually.

Right? That's MSNOW, right? that Rachel Maddow is one day a week, which I don't know, you know, how the hell that's good sense. I mean, I like Jen Psaki, but, you know, quite frankly, nobody digs as deep as Rachel Maddow in the entire ecosystem. So why is she not on seven days a week? I don't care that she doesn't get days off. She's making $35 million a year.

MARK HAYES (06:48.074)
you know, report one day a week when our democracy is in peril. We need people pointing out exactly why this stuff matters.

Brock Ganeles (06:59.203)
The network, you know, what's going on with the media networks in essence, this self moderation and or this fear to be too confrontational with the president due to the risk that then he may target your network and try to dismantle it, kind of like the Disney ABC thing.

CBS is going full right wing so they are off the table. So let's just talk like the middle of the road media that's left is they don't want the FCC going after them so they won't they're staying away from anything that's quote inflammatory which therefore means they're saying washing Trump's lunacy and not pointing it out and pretending like you said as if there's some strategy here reminds me of that.

MARK HAYES (07:27.991)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (07:52.198)
Chiron I saw over that Smirconis show which was the Chiron that said like his madness is the method. So he's spending time on his show trying to pretend like a dementia ridden psychotic narcissistic lunatic is actually playing 4D chess. So he's trying to build a show around that probably just to keep CNN, he's probably been told by producers in the higher ups.

Keep us out of trouble. We don't want Trump cracking down on us.

MARK HAYES (08:26.656)
Right. And you know, that's the sad part. And that's what Despot's do. And, and fascists is, you know, the first thing that's one of the, it's part of the playbook, right? Discredit the media. And if you remember, you think back to his 2016 run, that was the whole playbook, right? Fake news, fake news that people bought into it.

Brock Ganeles (08:48.473)
Mark.

Mark, it extends further than that. And here's where things are really a problem is that, and I get this from a conversation I had during our couple of days off that we've had with a group of white people who have jobs and who work in different fields, very disparate group, but corporate America is sending the message.

MARK HAYES (09:03.662)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Brock Ganeles (09:16.655)
corporate America, not even just corporate America, companies across the board in all different fields are sending the message down through their workforces that they don't want people. It basically like keep your head down. Don't do something that's going to get us noticed in a way by the government.

because they don't want to get cracked down on. I think I told you when I was on Wall Street, 25 years ago, they'd always say two rules. This is the unwritten rules, but people would say them two rules. Don't talk religion. Don't talk politics. Those things divide people. Keep things on the light.

MARK HAYES (09:55.65)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (09:57.262)
Talk about families, talk about sports, because you're just trying to build camaraderie and bonding. But what's going on now across America is even deeper than what they're doing in the media is they're trying to kind of mute people everywhere because everyone's being put at a threat of their job if they get out of line and say things that are too controversial. I don't want to overly soapbox this, but the takeaway I got from that conversation was

MARK HAYES (10:02.401)
Right.

MARK HAYES (10:10.476)
Yes.

MARK HAYES (10:19.927)
Right.

MARK HAYES (10:23.598)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (10:28.293)
I'm like, holy shit, what me and Mark does are more important. Maybe because we're out of that game and we don't feel that risk. Maybe we don't give up. Maybe we don't give a fuck. And maybe we don't feel that same risk because we're not nine to five anymore with corporate overlords that anyone who isn't in that situation needs to be speaking out aggressively and be a megaphone and a voice for our friends and others.

MARK HAYES (10:44.578)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (10:56.121)
who if they keep, this is why people won't come on the show.

MARK HAYES (10:59.382)
Right, right. Isn't it amazing that we can't get anyone to come on the show? Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Brock Ganeles (11:03.589)
They'll get fired. They're worried about getting fired. Their company won't be there for it because up to the top of their organization, even if the CEO agrees with everything they say.

doesn't want to encourage it, doesn't want people saying it. You know, even if you're not for profit, you don't want the government looking at your tax status. If you're a media company, you don't want Brendan Carr coming after you. If you're in the finance world, they'll stick the SEC or FINRA on you. And all of a sudden you're getting an investigation like they're doing a John Brennan right now. Some random investigation like they did to Letitia James, to James Comey, right? They're just drumming shit up.

MARK HAYES (11:36.939)
Right.

MARK HAYES (11:43.103)
I'm Bolton. Yep.

Brock Ganeles (11:44.056)
and making it really expensive for you and or they can figure out, know, this is what authoritarianism really is. And we have in a quiet way, maybe not so quiet way, it's going on day to day in corporate America, in parts of the society that Mark, we've never even thought about.

MARK HAYES (12:05.655)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (12:05.761)
and people don't talk about it that much, it's why we, now it's got me convinced. It's why certainly none of my white friends will come on the show. I used to think it was because they didn't want to talk about black and white issues. I think it's because they just don't want to say anything controversial because they don't want to get noticed because again, only in this environment, it can only shake out as a negative forum. No upside, zero upside.

MARK HAYES (12:17.079)
Right.

MARK HAYES (12:28.106)
Right, right, zero upside, you know, no matter what spin you put on it. I mean, didn't we used to be the land of the free, home of the brave? We used to be, not anymore, huh? Not so much. I mean, when you can't even speak out in America, right? We used to be the shining star in the hell. We've talked about this.

Brock Ganeles (12:39.78)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (12:55.212)
We used to run around the world saying, got to do it like us. You should be more like America. Who the fuck are we to run around the world saying, be more like America, when we are afraid that we'll lose our livelihood. And if you lose your livelihood for speaking out politically, you think anybody else is going to pick you up? You now have automatically become an entrepreneur. And good luck getting clients.

Brock Ganeles (13:22.073)
There's censorship everywhere and it's happening in sort of a behind the scenes pressurized way. It has me thinking about those New York Times headlines that I see all the time where I'm like, how the fuck are they framing the discussion that way? You know, why are they soft peddling this? You know, and it's probably out of like a corporate fear that they would, you know, that they would get shut down. They would get muscle. They would somehow get.

so negatively impacted economically that would shut the whole organization down. think it's going, I mean, it's kind of eye-opening to me. gets me thinking that it's going on everywhere in society and we don't really have free speech right now. I mean, we have a, we have a version of it, but in, you know, de facto, a large portion of American

MARK HAYES (14:06.349)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (14:09.845)
Brock Ganeles (14:17.965)
Society is being told to keep it quiet and pipe down

MARK HAYES (14:21.894)
Right. And I mean, you think about how that large swath, you know, even small business doesn't want to get involved in the political game because they know how it could impact their business. They don't want people picketing in front of their business saying we're Trumpers or we hate Trump, you know, depending on where you live. Right. If you live in a red state and you come out against Trump, I mean, your business is going to be screwed.

Brock Ganeles (14:50.905)
There was a story today, I forgot the name of the company now. I guess a couple months ago, they'd always had a pride flag in their restaurants or a coffee shop and they took it down. Why'd they take it down? They felt the pressure. They felt the pressure from their government not to make a open and broad statement of being pro.

MARK HAYES (15:18.889)
LGBTQ.

Brock Ganeles (15:19.917)
choice to live your life however you wanted to live it they just they brought the flag back now because they got so much pressure from their customers saying to them what the fuck are you doing and that's the counterbalance that's why if you don't fight back

MARK HAYES (15:22.731)
of who you want to love. Yep.

Brock Ganeles (15:35.162)
you get bullied over. So now this, guess this restaurant or coffee shop has now put the pride flags back in because they feared losing all their customers more than the government. But just by having that flag in the discussion, put them into a controversial situation where they had to pick a side. Now I'm glad they got pressured into picking the right side, but their first for their initial reaction was to pick if it would argue to be the wrong side, roll over and say it's

MARK HAYES (15:57.76)
Right.

MARK HAYES (16:02.882)
Right side. Right.

Brock Ganeles (16:05.115)
not worth it for us to support LGBTQ people. Not worth it for us.

MARK HAYES (16:08.768)
Right. And here's the reason the media is letting us down. Have you seen this Pete Hegseth reading this prayer from Pulp Fiction?

Brock Ganeles (16:21.765)
I heard about it.

MARK HAYES (16:26.112)
in a Pentagon, during a Pentagon service, okay? Like, what the fuck else kind of crazy can we have? Like, how is no one being held to account? How is he not fired for that? How is he not fired for the many indiscretions leading up to that?

Brock Ganeles (16:46.307)
Because there only one person that decides his employment fate. And that one person has just dressed himself up as Jesus Christ within the last 48 hours. to admit that Pete Hegseth has done something wrong would be sort of a corollary to admitting he had done something wrong. So there it goes. Everyone gets away with the same shit. So that's where the problem lies.

MARK HAYES (16:50.486)
Right, right.

MARK HAYES (16:57.358)
Thanks

Brock Ganeles (17:16.099)
That's why you don't think about how bad it had to get with Kristi Noem for her to get fired. How bad it had to get for Pam Bondi for her to get fired because Trump doesn't want to acknowledge that anyone's doing anything wrong. They're his picks. He has to acknowledge a mistake anytime he fires someone. So he'll go along with Pulp Fiction quotes. I didn't see it. I just saw like a meme, I guess, with Samuel L Jackson next to Hegseth. didn't.

MARK HAYES (17:33.965)
Right.

MARK HAYES (17:42.604)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (17:42.723)
I even click on it but I saw that something funny was going on with religion and I was just like waving my hands at it like whatever.

MARK HAYES (17:49.771)
Yeah, I can't take these people serious because they are unserious. And they're treating our government as if it was some sort of cheap toy that you bought at Walmart in the clearance section. I mean, they don't give it the respect it deserves because they don't understand how it works. Right? that's the problem. They don't understand how

Brock Ganeles (17:55.013)
They're not serious.

MARK HAYES (18:17.582)
how intertwined it is in the American fabric, right? And government services, just like snowplows, right? If there's no money for the fucking snowplows, how are you gonna get around, right? This is what our local governments do.

Brock Ganeles (18:37.347)
And if no one gets around, then the economy does worse and then there's no money for any more snow plows, right? So it just feeds on itself. You know, it's an investment you have to make to keep the machine running effectively.

MARK HAYES (18:42.734)
And it was at home. Right?

MARK HAYES (18:50.51)
Thank you. And now you look at all these programs that have been cut and the more programs that they're threatening to cut I Mean and there's nobody fighting The Cavalry is not coming. We're it Where it's like it reminds me of that scene from Black Hawk down When you know Michael Durant says where you know, where's the rescue team and the two Marines are like, yeah, we're it

That's it. And you got a whole city coming down on them with automatic weapons, machetes and everything else you could possibly kill somebody with.

Brock Ganeles (19:30.051)
You know, it just gets back to right there's strength in numbers and okay now now I'm going back and I'm seeing why Timothy Snyder wrote that note that got me off my ass to go to that protest because he's like show the numbers show the numbers and when it comes to the free speech we're always calling people out who positively make a comment when use their platform.

MARK HAYES (19:34.997)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (19:55.802)
to piss Trump off. Ariana Grande, Springsteen's doing it like a maniac. As people get older, they're like, fuck it. What's he gonna do to me? So maybe it's easier when you're older. Maybe for us too, right? We're kinda like, yeah, fuck it. You know what? I'm fighting the fight. I'm not shutting up now. There's no fucking way getting me shut up now. But we like when these younger generations speak out and take a risk. Take a risk of getting targeted in a negative way. But as more and more of us do it,

MARK HAYES (20:02.914)
Right. Right.

Okay.

MARK HAYES (20:12.494)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (20:26.263)
It just makes it safer for the next person and the next person and the next person. And all of a sudden we have the numbers and now we're the ones that can't be bullied or cow or cowed down anymore by this authoritarian government, right? They want us all to be afraid. They want us to feel apart from each other and that we can't win the battle because it's us against that. You there's no cavalry because it's us against this huge army.

MARK HAYES (20:38.382)
Good luck.

MARK HAYES (20:56.216)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (20:56.765)
And whenever we can show solidarity in bigger numbers, we have to. And whether that's online, whether that's in protests, whether that's in boycotts, know, any which way where we can show stronger numbers, it's gonna help that next person peel off. Because that really bummed me out to, you know, kind of to hear that so many people are getting that message to, yeah, just.

MARK HAYES (21:13.336)
Right.

MARK HAYES (21:24.46)
to button it up and they're doing it and they're doing it. I, and that's why Trump has been able to hold the whole, whole, line with a 30 % approval rating. That's exactly why. and I don't understand corporate America because I mean, they're, directly impacted by this shit.

Brock Ganeles (21:27.161)
Then they're doing it.

Brock Ganeles (21:48.826)
Yeah, but they don't want him targeting, you know, with a targeted tariff, right? Like you could just put a tariff just on their goods. And what are they going to do about it? Now they're absurdly acquiescent and I have no respect for any of them. I'll come out of this fucking from, from Tim Cook to Zuckerberg, you name any of those fuckers. I have zero respect for any of them. I understand why they're doing what they're doing. Doesn't mean I have to respect it.

MARK HAYES (21:51.522)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (22:11.886)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (22:15.958)
No, not at all. Not at all.

Brock Ganeles (22:19.639)
We're not going to get the leadership from them. It's going to come from others.

MARK HAYES (22:22.388)
No. It's gotta be grassroots. And here we go again with another violation, Hot Wheels. Down in Texas, Greg Abbott threatened to cut state funding to three of Texas' largest cities if they fail to change the policies that limit police cooperation with fucking ICE. I mean...

And you know they're all black and brown cities, right? Houston, Dallas, Austin. Austin, one of the emerging tech capitals, right? Dallas, South Side, huge brown and black populace. Houston, very black friendly, very brown.

Brock Ganeles (23:09.925)
So these are regions where the city council has put in policies or local laws that their police force is not to cooperate with ICE. So Abbott is holding back on the state fund. So he's playing a miniature game of what Trump's been doing at the federal level. Is that what you see?

MARK HAYES (23:19.01)
Right.

MARK HAYES (23:35.757)
Right. Yep. Yep. Absolutely. And now keep in mind, Minnesota has issued a warrant. The state of Minnesota has issued a warrant for an ICE officer for illegally detaining, AKA kidnapping, an American citizen. So let's watch that space. Also, AP is out with a new investigation that says, you know, when ICE went on a hiring spree,

know, stellar credentials didn't matter, right? And, you know, they did a whole investigation looking at some of these, remember these clowns were shooting themselves in the foot and, you know, shooting each other while they were training. I mean, because we know they were bozos. Who else wanted that job, right? It was just hiring white supremacists.

Brock Ganeles (24:24.889)
Yeah.

I'm glad they did that work because I mean, but my first reaction is like they're telling us exactly what we knew, but they're putting some facts to it. We just knew in our gut. We did the eyeball test and said, look at these fuckers, untrained, idiotic, fucking can't get any other job fuckers, know, three percenters, you know, but now if they've done the real work, then, you know, it doesn't hurt to have some facts behind you, not just your intuition.

MARK HAYES (24:35.47)
Right.

MARK HAYES (24:40.974)
Right.

MARK HAYES (24:44.641)
Alright.

MARK HAYES (24:55.598)
Hello. Right. Right. And you know, look, like you said, you're telling us what we already knew because we saw it. And you know, the agency got $75 billion, right? To brutalize Americans. Yep. Yes, sir.

Brock Ganeles (25:12.759)
our money our money our money we all just paid taxes our money killed me to pay taxes like fuck giving money to this fucking regime that money is going to be misallocated you know this close to like going into a protest of not paying taxes but then again it's one of those things you can't do alone right you need a hundred million other people with you

MARK HAYES (25:24.813)
Right.

No doubt.

MARK HAYES (25:32.619)
Right.

MARK HAYES (25:38.454)
Right, right, to make them feel it. All right, quick hit me. What do you got?

Brock Ganeles (25:40.536)
Yeah. Well, a couple of things. Yes or no, you on board in agreement with David Hogg, Ilhan Omar, who are saying Marjorie Taylor Greene maybe deserves a second chance, deserves to be heard out because she's anti-Trump. Yes or no? You agree? You're on board with that sort of grace? No.

MARK HAYES (26:02.346)
No, no, there are not good people on both sides. We saw what she did to David Hogg. We saw it on video. We saw what she did to President Obama during his State of the Union speech. We saw the angry racist, vile rhetoric coming out of Marjorie Taylor Greene's mouth. Are you not racist anymore? Because that's what our side is saying. We want a new version of America.

I don't think Marjorie Taylor Greene helps us get there. Boebert doesn't help us get there. What's the other lady's name from South Carolina? That's crazy. Nancy doesn't help us get there. Right?

Brock Ganeles (26:40.025)
That's immense.

Okay, so you're not there with the way you're like fine. She's anti Trump good for her We welcome that but she no room under the tent tent. The tent is not that big

MARK HAYES (26:47.662)
Good for her.

got an extra grind. No, no, no can't fit her in. Sorry. You're have to stay outside ma'am.

Brock Ganeles (27:00.429)
Yeah, I agree with you. I'm happy that I love the criticism of Trump, but unless there's a full mea culpa on about 20 topics and in common and proof of actions, not just words, then perhaps not that nobody people can't change. People can get enlightened and change, but just just spouting that Trump's fucking moron is not enough to me. That's just that's just the obvious. OK.

MARK HAYES (27:10.038)
Right. Which you know ain't coming.

MARK HAYES (27:16.087)
Yep.

MARK HAYES (27:26.379)
at it.

Brock Ganeles (27:30.009)
Yeah, couple quick hits on the Yi Global Music Tour has now been cancelled out of his concerts in Poland with the head of Poland saying like we have way too much negative history with the Holocaust to be accepting someone so blatantly pro-Nazi.

MARK HAYES (27:39.758)
Sorry.

MARK HAYES (27:53.569)
You think?

MARK HAYES (28:00.462)
Hey.

MARK HAYES (28:06.284)
Words matter. Words fucking matter. Sorry, yay, ye, whoever you fuck you calling yourself this week. But when you want to spout that Nazi bullshit, expect there to be some backlash. You think Poland's gonna let you in with their history? But see, but again, Americans, we don't read. We don't understand history.

Right? And this is why he thought he could say that shit and then go to Poland. Fuck out of here. You're done ye. You're done yay. Whatever it is. I'm not buying your ugly fucking shoes or your clothes. I don't care. I don't care how many Kardashians you knocked off. Sheesh. Unbelievable.

Brock Ganeles (28:54.041)
What do got for me?

MARK HAYES (28:55.566)
Interesting, Untold is a series I follow on Netflix. Absolutely love the series, but I feel like it's time to stand up and say what the fuck, right? They did a series, a segment called The Portland Jail Blazers.

MARK HAYES (29:23.212)
The three main focuses of the piece were Damon Stoudemire, Bonzi Wells, and Rasheed Wallace, who went on to win a championship with the Pistons, beat Kobe's Lakers with Shaq. And none of those three guys went to jail. But the story was built on the image of the scary black man. And Brock, it's one of the reasons I left TV news.

is because we're constantly, constantly portraying the black man as the enemy, right? The perpetrator, right? I remember a study that was done when I was working in television news, it was done in Minneapolis. They had a guy run into a room, grab a purse, right? And run out. And they asked the people inside, know, describe the perpetrator. Like,

An overwhelming percentage of the people said it was a black guy. And it wasn't. But because it's been drilled into their head through our media, they thought it was. Must have been, right? Doing something awful like that, stealing, right? Robbing us in broad daylight. And so when you do stories like this, Bonzi Wells' career was pretty much ruined.

Brock Ganeles (30:40.325)
Bye.

MARK HAYES (30:50.414)
because of the negative inferences that were associated to him and passed along to him through the many issues that the Portland team, like 99, 2000 was having. Like his reputation was ruined and he was a hell of a player. But we see it happening all the time to the African-American athletes.

Right? I mean, look how fast America turned on OJ. Right? Not that we shouldn't have. Not that it wasn't for good reason. But my point is OJ was given a platform when he could make the money. And then as soon as he couldn't, he was cast away. Right? And, and.

That OJ case was probably next to Rodney King, the most polarizing incident like in our lifetimes, right? Next to Rodney King, right? Because you had black America pitted against white America and then you had Johnny Cochran. And if you didn't understand Johnny Cochran's background, right? And how he came up with the argument he came up with, then you were like, my God, you know.

Black and white America are never going to see eye to eye, right? If this guy can make this shit up. But Johnny Cochran had a long history of suing the LAPD, right? For wrongdoing against African-American suspects and or innocent men. And I mean, Johnny Cochran was living in Bel Air in the sixties. Not a lot of black folks were living in Bel Air in the sixties. So.

I'm saying check out the jailblazers. I'd be interested to get your feedback on it. But I think the title goes over the top and is far too much in this day and age. You know, we could have come up with plenty of other, you know, titillating titles. You didn't have to go that far.

Brock Ganeles (33:11.385)
Will do. I'm always up for sports documentary. Got me to thinking, know, because Rashid Wallace led the league in technicals. So he's painted as like a, you know, a dangerous bad guy. Gives me to thinking who led the NBA in technicals this year.

MARK HAYES (33:15.341)
Yeah.

And good luck.

MARK HAYES (33:22.348)
Right?

MARK HAYES (33:26.304)
Hmm. Hmm. Was it Luca?

Brock Ganeles (33:28.601)
Look at Donchik White guy He's just a guy who... No, he's just... He just argues with the refs too much Not a danger, right? He just argues with the refs too much That's it Yeah, Luke, guy must stop worrying about the referees so much Rashid Wallace is a jailblazer He's dangerous because he... Because he argues with the refs Yeah, I mean, it's just... Yeah, it's a terrible rule

MARK HAYES (33:31.265)
We hear about it.

MARK HAYES (33:36.418)
means competitive.

He's competitive.

MARK HAYES (33:45.346)
Yeah. Dangerous. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

And they talked to Damon Stoudemire and Rasheed about it and they're pissed off about it. Rasheed never got his flowers, right? Even when he won the championship. I mean, he was a talented, talented dude.

Brock Ganeles (34:10.061)
Yeah, she was good. He was great in college too. He had a long career. He was a great NBA player. Of the three of them, Rashid was the best of the three. Stoudamire was good too. Okay, I'll watch it. I'm always up for a documentary.

MARK HAYES (34:13.614)
yeah. Check it out.

Yes, sir.

MARK HAYES (34:22.028)
Yep, yep, yep. All right. All right, buddy. Happy Friday.

Brock Ganeles (34:26.839)
Alright, good for today. Alright Mark, always a pleasure.

MARK HAYES (34:30.2)
Peace, see you tomorrow.