2 Men In Black and White: An Honest Conversation

Mark Hayes (00:01.197)
All right, America, welcome back. Another exciting edition of Two Men in Black and White. I'm your host, Mark Hayes, along with Brock Denellis. We're a couple of yahoos with some streaming capability that like to look at the political shit show that is Donald Trump through the black and white community lenses. All right, Brock, let's get right into it, my friend. Why is Witkoff and Kushner flying to Islamabad? To negotiate what these yahoos don't even know the history.

of Iran and US conflict. Why are they negotiating any, they're over there enriching themselves. Let's be honest about it. That's first and foremost, right? These jerk-offs are over there to get paid and nothing else really, because they don't, really have shown us they don't care about the lives of the American people.

Brock Ganeles (00:54.877)
Yeah, they're not there for American interests. there for personal interests, right? So they're gonna cut deals, get bribed, you know.

finagle scenario that keeps the money flowing to Jared's brother, Trump's kids, Rick cough son, right? There's all personal interest, but how we as America having to unelected unconfirmed friends of Trump, friends and family of Trump as our primary representatives in negotiating the ceasefire and end to a war.

It's a fucking joke. It's as if the, it's as if America did not have a state department, like as if we hadn't thought over the first 250 years to actually create an institution that had a whole bunch of diplomatic experts in it whose job was to look out for the best interests of America. let's as if we'd known it ever thought of that because that entire apparatus has been sidelined so that we can have two

Mark Hayes (01:35.265)
Makes no sense.

Mark Hayes (01:40.491)
Right.

Mark Hayes (01:50.847)
Right.

Mark Hayes (02:01.355)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (02:03.524)
friends and family cronies of Donald Trump out there representing America. It's fucking unbelievable and we have no recourse. What are we gonna do about it?

Mark Hayes (02:11.058)
and getting paid. Yeah.

Mark Hayes (02:16.504)
Well, as we were saying in the pre-show editorial meeting, there are no guardrails, there are no roadblocks, there are no potholes. Right? You know, the Trump family, you know, now they're concerned because of the midterms, right? And because of how awful it looks. But, you know, my contention has been all along, Brock. They're not concerned about the midterms. But let's talk about more wasted resources.

A third US aircraft carrier, a third has arrived in the Middle East. USS George H.W. Bush joined the Gerald Ford and the Abraham Lincoln. How much firepower are we going to wait? Right, he'll do this until he's out of office.

All right, it makes my head want to explode.

Brock Ganeles (03:15.034)
What does he care? What does he give a fuck? First of all, they depleted the armaments, right? The CEO of Lockheed Martin is talking about like this golden era for his company because we're to have to put so much money into replenishing our ammunition stock because as you pointed out yesterday, we've been shooting like, you know, 100 million dollar missiles at twenty thousand dollar drones. And as much as we had the most powerful fighting force in world history, it's not an endless supply.

Mark Hayes (03:24.747)
Right.

Mark Hayes (03:36.596)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (03:44.609)
of armaments and weaponry right you got to put money towards it so that money's just once it just siphoned off from everything else that makes our lives better who's winning out i mean jared and rickhoff are going to figure out a way to line their own pockets and the saudis have already you know paid them off to make sure their interests are being taken care of over there ua he's got their hand out for money so everybody

All these interests are being taken care of including Israel's. The American people aren't even in the conversation.

Mark Hayes (04:17.099)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (04:26.111)
No bailouts for Americans, but plenty of bailouts for Spirit Airlines, the Israelis, the Emiratis. Israel and Lebanon are coming to the US. Donald Trump is hoping to host them in the near future. How awesome is that? What do we give a fuck? Why do we care? Donald Trump is doing everything he can to screw us over as the American people. We're sitting at home playing PlayStation.

watching the Masters and crying about food and gas prices. Like, what are we doing, America?

Brock Ganeles (05:03.696)
We're trying to survive. Americans are just trying to survive and get to the next day.

Mark Hayes (05:07.091)
Right. Right. Right.

Brock Ganeles (05:12.156)
We're not looking to thrive. then in the wee hours of the night, Trump is just absolutely blasting like Chinese and Indian Americans. So, hey, additional people of color, in case you thought that you weren't in the firing line, you're not white. You ain't invited to the cookout. And Trump's coming for everyone eventually. There are no, you know,

Mark Hayes (05:34.717)
No.

No. Yep. Yep. No.

Brock Ganeles (05:40.829)
He has no allies. He's a fucking narcissist and a psychopath. So now he just randomly went out after Indians and Chinese. So be on the lookout. You know, it'll take, it takes one sentence from Trump and all of a sudden ICE is after, after you and your crew and your visa and your, you know, your citizenship and your heritage. And you're going to have to be start digging, digging for your passport and your birth certificate.

Mark Hayes (05:46.29)
No.

Mark Hayes (05:58.463)
Right. And any certain ethnicity. Right.

Brock Ganeles (06:09.444)
And even that's probably not going to help you in most cases.

Mark Hayes (06:12.586)
And that's why Ted Lou left him a hearty fuck you on his truth social, ridiculous ass worthless social media platform. We've got roughly, according to Al Jazeera.com, about 2,300 dead between, this worthless war so far. 2,300 families.

And I don't think we're getting an accurate depiction of the number of American casualties that we've sustained and injuries, right? The only people that know are the families that are actually suffering them. We won't learn about the true cost of this war until this fucker's out of office. And that's a sad, sad commentary because, right, the fourth estate won't do its job.

The Fourth Estate is kowtowing to this bloviating menace who's getting REM sleep during every possible meeting and also takes the opportunity, you know, when he's not sleeping to attack working journalists.

Brock Ganeles (07:28.144)
Well...

Brock Ganeles (07:31.601)
I don't know where we're going to go with it. I'm just so frustrated right now, Mark, because like you said, America is in reverse and there's like no speed bumps. There's nothing to slow the backward traction. Even as some maga lights peel away and work their way down to only a 33 % approval for Trump. But that's all he needs right now.

Mark Hayes (07:35.794)
I know.

Brock Ganeles (07:57.467)
Yeah, maybe he's worried about the midterms. Maybe he figures he's got six months to figure out how to rig them or to suppress the vote so much that he'll inch his way by. Or maybe he'll just kick and scream about it for six months. But even with the midterms, he'll still be president for two years to wreak as much havoc as he possibly can and strip us down, you know, to the bare elements while he's taken everything he can out of American life.

Mark Hayes (07:57.992)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (08:26.542)
and we have nowhere to turn on this front. I don't know what fucking Israel and Lebanon are going to talk about. First of all, Israel's bombing Lebanon. So like, Lebanon's coming for peace talks. They're, I'm sure just going to be like, please stop bombing us. I know Israel say stop harboring Hezbollah and there'll be, you know, the age old discussion will go circular, but.

Mark Hayes (08:29.512)
Right.

Mark Hayes (08:40.008)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (08:50.382)
Netanyahu doesn't want peace in the Middle East, so that's not really going to go anywhere. Netanyahu needs war in the Middle East as much as Trump right now wants more in the Middle East. More so, right? He convinced Trump to get into this war. Netanyahu needs this war and this constant conflict more than any other human being on the planet. So to me, the peace talks that are going to go on are a farce in showmanship.

Mark Hayes (08:54.991)
No.

Mark Hayes (09:01.746)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (09:19.758)
and performative and aren't gonna get us fucking anywhere because they don't want to get anywhere.

Mark Hayes (09:23.566)
Anywhere. Right. Right.

The U.S. Senate passes ICE funding resolution after Bautorama.

Brock Ganeles (09:35.537)
Yeah, they pushed it through. tacked it onto another budget bill. yeah, ICE is going to get funded now. They figured out a way because as much as they complain and they whine and they all know that Trump is, you know, demented and dying and pretty much asleep on his way to dying, they won't go against them. So they pushed it through. So ICE gets its funding.

Mark Hayes (09:59.997)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (10:03.13)
Senate Republicans have no will for any kind of fight or to get on Trump's bad side in any way. So they figured out a, like a technical way to push through some funding. It's not what the American people want, but what the American people want is like, not even the back seat, it's in the trunk at best. Like no one cares what the American people want right now.

Mark Hayes (10:20.412)
Yeah, no, no, it's not even.

Yeah, it's not even a question. And we know that these people, again, are just Trump goons out here to brutalize Americans on American soil. Make it make sense. Jesus, take the wheel. my goodness. Yesterday, Brock, I had to get off the set and just drop down to my knees and say a prayer.

I mean, I feel like that's almost the only thing we can do. I mean, I don't think I can ever remember a time, even back in the 70s, when I would sit in the car with my parents on those ridiculously long gas lines on Route 202 at the, what was it, a Sunoco station right there by the McDonald's.

Brock Ganeles (11:13.274)
Sinoko. Bless from the past, Sinoko.

Mark Hayes (11:17.28)
Man, like, I don't remember our parents being this helpless.

Brock Ganeles (11:25.646)
No, no, I mean, I it was because it was never this bad. But Mark, I was just thinking to some as you're speaking, like, what is is black America thinking about when D.I. is supposedly this, you know, anti white initiative to get less than talented people into positions that should be filled by much more talented white men usually write white men, D.I. basically.

Mark Hayes (11:27.301)
And I don't remember it lasting for this long. Right.

Brock Ganeles (11:54.031)
Yet you got Jared and Witkoff going to the Middle East to represent the United States as our two primary spokespeople. Please tell me how, how they're the two most qualified candidates that we could find.

Mark Hayes (12:02.427)
Well.

Mark Hayes (12:08.164)
Rock. These are.

Rock, these are circular conversations we have in the black community all the time. You know what we call it? I'm gonna let you in on little black secret, right? You're learning a lot of black secrets here. I'm giving away a lot of the secrets here. I hope I don't get traded to the white delegation. That's my tan is a little too dark. We call it the complexion for the connection, right? Just like last night in the NFL draft.

Brock Ganeles (12:28.923)
Ha ha.

Mark Hayes (12:39.876)
Right? Remember we had the Shadoor slide last year? Lot of talk about Ty Simpson, quarterback from Alabama. One season of starts, he went as like the 12th overall pick to the LA Rams. You know why? Because his dad had a relationship with the front office in the Los Angeles Rams. And he goes as the 12th.

Now, this is a six footer, right? He wasn't dynamic, didn't have a huge resume, right? Or, you know, book of work, but he had the complexion for the connection, right? And so we've been, this is our life and we've been telling you this is going off, but y'all can say, no, I think that's just your overactive imagination. Really? Really?

So now it's actually happening. What we've been telling you all along is actually happening in broad daylight. And folks ain't, you know, afraid to say that this is what happening. Nah, a white guy should be in this position. Right? Because we've been experiencing this our entire life. Our parents experienced it. Their parents experienced it. Right? And we had to try to

figure out a way to navigate it. then Barack Obama became president. And Black America said, well, anything's possible. No, no it is not. Because just like Donald Trump has Barack Obama living, rent free in his head, so do a lot of other powerful white men who make it even more difficult. Just like that number we talked about yesterday, right?

$775 billion in government contracts, $9 billion go to black firms.

Brock Ganeles (14:43.036)
Yeah, 1.2 % he said, right? I mean, Trump brings everything to the extreme because he's such a fucking moron and psychopathic. So he just makes it so obvious the nepotism and the racism that he brings to the table. Speaking of the racism, Remember back in the day, a year ago, you'd get the argument from the MAGA side that Doji wasn't racist.

Mark Hayes (14:49.187)
Yes. Yes.

Mark Hayes (15:00.558)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (15:10.854)
Dogey was just about rooting out fraud and making things fair because affirmative action and DEI had squeezed out the poor white man who wasn't getting the same opportunities that he deserved. And now over on fucking X, Musk is pumping out white supremacist fucking manifesto language every single day.

Mark Hayes (15:11.043)
Right.

Mark Hayes (15:14.807)
Right.

Mark Hayes (15:28.068)
Mm-hmm.

Mark Hayes (15:40.481)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (15:40.656)
I'm not over there seeing the stories though to the point where it's even starting to make some people in quote Maggalan uncomfortable that he so blatantly

apartheid thinking what a shocker he's from South Africa right and this is two days after Palantir and the boy Peter Thiel's company surveillance company put out their manifesto and somehow their CEO came out to explain it which was a mistake and they're literally talking about like taking over America and having like almost like a techno bro takeover they don't really need the state

Mark Hayes (15:54.2)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (15:58.053)
He's from South Africa.

Mark Hayes (16:11.748)
How do you explain that?

Brock Ganeles (16:23.056)
the technology can run things which is you know all code for the same white men running America and subjugating everyone else so

Mark Hayes (16:29.667)
Right.

Mark Hayes (16:33.273)
Right. And we forget that the movies, the social network, Peter Thiel and those guys were involved in that as well. Remember? With Fuckerberg? Yeah. Yeah. So they've been working on this for a long time. The takeover is in full effect. Right? And if we don't revolt, we're going to have a problem trying to get our democracy back.

Brock Ganeles (16:42.766)
Yeah, early funders.

Mark Hayes (17:03.109)
It's already broken. And it's approaching unfixable at this point. But remember, you know, I also read a blurb today where your boy Elon was talking about making sure Black people can't buy fucking Teslas. Good fucking riddance. Adi fucking ovs, amigos. I don't want your fucking apartheid era machinery.

I don't want to get locked in my car when it's on fire. know, that shit, those shits don't work and they're fucking ugly. They're fugly. I don't drive Teslas. You know, when I see them on the street, I really wish I was driving a beat up piece of crap so I could ram them. You know, I mean, I literally get ill when I see Teslas on the streets. When I see brown folks driving them, I really get annoyed.

I really get annoyed. It's not some status symbol, right? You know, a lot of black folks remember the old adage about the Cadillacs and black folks driving these fancy cars. It ain't the same, right? Right.

Brock Ganeles (18:14.192)
Yeah, go back, go buy a Cadillac. I I get it. You wanted to be an electric car is good for the environment. But look, you played yourself. You got you can't be supporting Elon Musk. mean, look, we've we've we've lost the energy on the economic boycotts. We've lost the energy on feet on the street, had a great in Minneapolis.

Mark Hayes (18:25.299)
No. No.

Mark Hayes (18:33.976)
Yep.

Brock Ganeles (18:41.582)
Last no kings was low-ish energy, okay numbers, nothing that fucking moved the needle on anything. So the energy across the board of the resistance is in decline. I think the wait for the midterms is the death of urgency today because it's talking about something six months out and it

It just it diminishes it. It I think creates a false pretense that there's some savior moment. Therefore, you don't have to fight today because that fight is going to happen at the ballot box in November. And I think it's a huge mistake. And once again, the message is not been aggressive and clear. No leaders have emerged. And it's just like in essence, social media maybe has spread us out so much. It's just a lot of

Mark Hayes (19:20.664)
Right. Right?

Mark Hayes (19:30.891)
I agree with you, buddy.

Brock Ganeles (19:35.9)
people like us, right? A lot of complaining, lot of frustration and not a lot of action and reaction to what's going on with the Trump administration. So project 2025 is just rolling along.

Mark Hayes (19:50.989)
Winning, winning. Project 2025 is winning. And you know, we should be, you know what? I was so excited today. I saw an elderly couple walking down the street, holding hands, coming from what looked like an impromptu rally at a little park in Sawani, Georgia. Red, ruby red, Sawani, Georgia.

And this couple was holding hands and they had a little sign that said, Trump is unconstitutional. And when I drove down the street a little further, I saw a little crowd gathered on the corner, just holding up signs, you know, anti-Trump voters talking about, you know, how terrible things are for us here in the state of Georgia. You know, in a minute we're going to go under water restrictions, right? And people are going to be bitching about, you know, what can be done?

with our water restrictions, but they won't talk about climate change. And what's happening with the severe drought conditions that we're dealing with right now.

Brock Ganeles (21:00.38)
They can't put one and one together? Like...

Mark Hayes (21:03.988)
No, absolutely not. Not when it doesn't match your political leaning.

Brock Ganeles (21:10.04)
I was just going to say in Georgia a month ago I a chance to elect a Democrat in MTG's district and as much as the needle swung wasn't enough. Another MAGA guy took a seat under Mike Johnson.

Mark Hayes (21:16.928)
Refuse to do it. Yep.

Mark Hayes (21:24.192)
Yep. And you know, that was an opportunity to start the ball rolling. And as much as we don't fight right now, the more momentum they gain to steal or fuck with the midterms. That's what bothers me with our lack of fighting. Now I hope this May 1st

economic boycott shutdown really jumps off because we needed to. We need to send a message to those 83 billionaires who think they're running shit that at any given time we can just say, you know what? We ain't playing this game with you people.

Brock Ganeles (22:10.717)
I'm not optimistic. We're a week out. don't think there's enough buzz about it. don't, I don't see the energy. I don't think people are talking about it. I don't get the sense that it's something that people are gearing up for and really, really energized to be a part of. I'm not seeing it. And I'm on a lot of social media and a lot of different feeds and a lot of resistance and left wing feeds and I'm not seeing it. So I'm worried about that. I mean, that could be a point, you know, that could be

Mark Hayes (22:14.613)
There is no buzz.

Mark Hayes (22:26.027)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (22:33.6)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (22:38.233)
a major statement that's an opportunity to shake the status quo, I'm worried about it.

Mark Hayes (22:47.389)
Yeah. Well, know, Republicans are concerned because Trump is not focused. Has he ever been focused?

Brock Ganeles (22:54.759)
focused. Come on. He's focused focused on what he's focused on his ballroom. He's focused on making money. He's focused on what's going on with college football players. Right. He's focused on what else is what else what other crazy shit is he focused on. He's focused on Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson saying negative shit about him. So that's that's where his focus is.

Mark Hayes (22:57.601)
It's an oxymoronid.

Mark Hayes (23:14.963)
Right.

Mark Hayes (23:23.113)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (23:23.791)
I mean, when he's now his latest focus was, you know, to yell and scream at Indians and Chinese people, but focused. Come on, he's a fucking deranged. He's got dementia. Show me somebody with dementia who's focused.

Mark Hayes (23:34.443)
Don't forget!

Mark Hayes (23:40.033)
Right. Don't forget, he wants a UFC fight at the White House. Right? Like, what do we, what do we, Rome? What do we, what do we do? Gladiator shit at the White House? Come on. You know, but this is what we get for being a stupid country. This is what we get for having what? The average, you know,

grade level that we're reading at is what? Eighth grade, ninth grade? If that, I'm being generous.

Brock Ganeles (24:13.213)
Well, I thought you were going to tell me lower. I wouldn't be surprised. Some states it's probably third grade.

Mark Hayes (24:17.484)
Yeah. yeah. mean, and look at it. It's all the red states. Mississippi, South Carolina, Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, Florida, all these states. Texas, they're out there teaching Texas history instead of American history. I mean, what the are we doing? Again.

Brock Ganeles (24:41.341)
We're rolling along with project 2025 is what we're doing. We're getting steamrolled by 2020 project 2025. And those guys don't care if Trump's asleep in the Oval Office. They don't care about his late night rants. They're just day by day bureaucrats doing the dirty work of turning America into a white supremacy nation. And they're just rolling along. Russell Voight, Stephen Miller is behind the scenes guys trying to stay out of the line like for the most part.

Mark Hayes (24:45.003)
Yeah, we are.

Yep.

Mark Hayes (24:53.137)
No, they could give a shit.

Mark Hayes (25:02.951)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (25:11.247)
and really just trying to transform America. And Trump is like the circus. You know, it's almost like they want all eyes on the circus. Focus on Trump. He's the diversion. He's the clown that we all talk about while the real nefarious shit's going on in the shadows. Taking all the contracts and giving them only to white businesses. You know, all that shit going on a little bit everywhere every day.

Mark Hayes (25:15.092)
Right.

Mark Hayes (25:31.935)
Right.

Mark Hayes (25:40.82)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (25:42.632)
So let's jump to a quick kick because the group that is supposed to deliver us these stories and bring this activity out of the shadows is the media. That's the role of the media. That's supposedly why everyone goes to journalism school because they want to go and they want to tell stories and they want to tell truth to power and they want to, you know, be a voice for the voiceless.

Mark Hayes (25:57.983)
Right.

Mark Hayes (26:05.46)
make a difference.

Mark Hayes (26:12.095)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (26:12.433)
So I'm seeing stories today what a dilemma it is for the press corps, the White House press corps, who are all planning to go to this fucking buffet tomorrow night. But their big dilemma is what do they do if Trump gets up and makes negative comments about the media and takes the microphone and calls them the enemy of the people at their own party? And that's their big dilemma.

Mark Hayes (26:39.208)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (26:40.625)
They're not sure how they should react after having a martini with Stephen Miller and chugging a beer with Pete Hegseth. They're worried about how to react to the fact that Trump basically has targeted them, but yet they're there cocktailing with the Nazis. And that's their concern is how they're going to react to it. why the fuck are they going? Why the fuck are they going?

Mark Hayes (26:59.103)
You're right.

Mark Hayes (27:03.615)
It's awful. I can't believe they're going.

Brock Ganeles (27:09.799)
There should be a boycott. None of them should attend.

Mark Hayes (27:10.164)
because they're being told.

Mark Hayes (27:15.091)
They're being told to go by the higher ups.

Brock Ganeles (27:16.849)
get the flu come down with the sniffles in the morning air traffic controllers being told to go to work too so are TSA agents everyone gets told shit just doing what I'm told just doing what I'm told didn't work in Nazi Germany following orders I mean you know have some conviction as a human being an American citizen

Mark Hayes (27:25.516)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

Mark Hayes (27:33.395)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (27:45.85)
It's close for all of us. At different points for all of us, we're all gonna have to make a stand and have some courage. So I don't want to hear they're being told to go.

Mark Hayes (27:45.908)
You know, Brock.

Mark Hayes (27:56.551)
It's interesting that you and I can see it. And maybe it's because we work for ourselves or I don't care what it is. I struggled my last three, four years in the media with the whole fake news and that shit from Trump.

and walked away from it. I don't know why it's so hard. know, I get people have families. I get people are accustomed to, you know, the way they live. But, you know, there are other ways to make a living out here. There are other ways to find purpose. There are other ways to generate income. And, you know, if you're a media and a journalist, look at Scott McFarland. Scott McFarland left a great job and a handsome salary to go independent.

Rachel Maddow, mean, Katie Couric, Joy Reed.

Brock Ganeles (28:55.933)
Katie Fang, Joy Rood, a of, just like, what are you doing? If you have to just roll along and then you're just a part of the apparatus, you're a part of the propaganda, which makes you a part of the regime, which makes you a MAGA adjacent. You are a part of the MAGA machine. You may think that you're,

Mark Hayes (29:01.677)
Yep.

Right. Yeah, what's the purpose? Another problem. Yep.

Brock Ganeles (29:20.189)
In your own mind, you may be like, I'm liberal and I voted for Kamala Harris. I don't know. No, it doesn't matter because you're allowing yourself to be a part of the MAGA white supremacy apparatus. You're a pawn on the chessboard. And I don't I mean, I don't know what you yeah, you have kids, got to feed them. I don't know what you're to tell them in 10, 20 years when they wonder what you were in 2026.

Mark Hayes (29:32.723)
Yes, sir.

Yes, sir.

Mark Hayes (29:44.115)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (29:47.73)
that you were at the White House Correspondents Dinner with Trump and Hegseth and Stephen Miller and Katie Miller and Carolyn Levitt and whoever the fuck else actually is showing up to that event and you are a part of it and you're a part of the photos. Well, you know, everything's documented now. You're in the photos with these people like.

Mark Hayes (29:54.622)
Stephen Miller.

Mark Hayes (30:10.11)
Oh yeah? Oh yeah?

Brock Ganeles (30:12.273)
You know they're tearing America down. You know they're racist. You know where they stand. And you're standing with them. I think there's certain moments where you just have to, you have to make big, big decisions on who you are as a person. And you have to do things that maybe are controversial and maybe you have to risk your job every so often.

Mark Hayes (30:29.064)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (30:36.187)
I've had to do it in my career, you've done it in yours. Sometimes you just have to fundamentally either quit something or make a stand that you know can get you fired. Otherwise, what principles drive your existence?

And this may sound ultra, ultra dramatic, but when you're in times like this, you have to like profiles, encourage, like you have to think about like really serious shit about who you are as a person and the society that you want to live in. Cause if you're going to just roll along and be a part of the apparatus and a part of this slide backwards down the hill, instead of a speed bump, then

Mark Hayes (31:09.979)
Right? Yep.

Brock Ganeles (31:23.751)
You know, then you're in the car. You're part of it. You're a part of the movement. Like you always say, you always tell me there's no middle ground anymore, right?

Mark Hayes (31:32.165)
No, there isn't. You're either with us or against us. I mean, it's quite simple. All right, buddy, good stuff. We're out of time. Rack it up and do it again tomorrow.

Brock Ganeles (31:43.517)
Alright Mark, always a pleasure. I'll talk to you tomorrow.

Mark Hayes (31:46.138)
Revolution.