2 Men In Black and White: An Honest Conversation

Mark Hayes (00:01.934)
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. Another exciting edition of Two Men in Black and White, voting rights, women's bodily autonomy, race, three very difficult topics that none of the candidates seem to be talking about. Everybody wants to go after the low hanging fruit, the unpopularity of data centers, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But how come nobody's talking about voting rights? How come nobody is willing

to break the pinata with voting rights. Democrats, hello. You're gonna need the black vote. You are gonna need it. And I'm here to tell you, you need to make it happen. You need to start talking about it out there on the campaign trail. All right, Mark Hayes, Cannella is here. Two men in black and white. Just a couple of yahoos who figured out how to live stream. And now we're doing it on a regular basis.

Thanks for joining us. Brock, what say you? Why are we not talking about the easy stuff, but it's really hard for some Democrats to get out here and talk about it. So what happened to the Roe v. Wade conversation? Where'd that go?

Brock Ganeles (01:20.73)
I mean, have a lot of, you know, we get an interesting test of where candidate mindsets are because there's so many of them that are out there in primaries right now. Some just won primaries that are now poised for how they're going to position themselves for the general election in November. And the messaging as usual is tepid and soft coming from these Democratic candidates.

And my take is like, if not now, when are we going to actually address the difficult topics? And I'm not even sure why women's rights and, you know, access to abortion is even a difficult topic, right?

Five years ago, 10 years ago, it's a foregone conclusion. But now that Roe v. Wade's been stripped away and half the states in the country are abolishing abortion, and now we're worried about even abortion pills sit in the hands of this rogue Supreme Court. How did that one become too hot to handle for Democrats? I understand they don't want to talk about race. No one ever wants to talk about race, right? The racial reckoning always sits at the back of the bus.

Pun intended, I guess. Also, no one's talking about ICE. The whole discussion about ICE has just absolutely faded after Minneapolis. I found out yesterday that there were a couple, ICE was in my little town of Rhinebeck. Picked off a couple of people in town within the last week. Yeah, so they're still out there. They're still out there. They're still in small town America, just finding Latinos and throwing them in the back of vans.

Mark Hayes (02:38.018)
Right.

At all.

Mark Hayes (02:55.97)
Really?

Brock Ganeles (03:04.952)
happened a couple blocks from me. just didn't see it. Didn't find out about it until yesterday. No one's talking about ice in these concentration camps. I'm sorry.

Mark Hayes (03:09.536)
have any community.

How'd the community react to that?

Brock Ganeles (03:15.514)
I was just talking with a neighbor there. They've they've set up a task force where people are going one hour at a time during the day on kind of a ice watch. And then if they see ice, they're sending it to like the central location and they're putting out the word through social media to try to let people know that ice is in the vicinity. So in essence, it becomes like a neighborhood watch.

Mark Hayes (03:44.354)
Right. Right.

Brock Ganeles (03:44.399)
versus ICE to give the heads up. Cause I even asked the same thing. What are you blowing an air horn? Are you blowing a whistle? But apparently it's going through the social media and trying to get the word out that way. It's a hard game to win, but I was proud to hear that the community is mobilized on that front. And the other one, and like you said, the voting rights, particularly where are the white candidates on the voting rights? Where are the national candidates?

Mark Hayes (03:57.389)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (04:14.212)
broad voices maybe that don't have a gerrymandering problem in their backyard, but could be speaking up for the South, which doesn't have enough democratic voices to begin with, which is all part of the problem. Right. So where are the national voices? Disappointment all around from the candidates. Like you said, there's a little hanging fruit, say data centers and you're banning data centers like Platner's doing in Maine, you're going to get a standing ovation.

Mark Hayes (04:27.352)
Hello? Hello?

Brock Ganeles (04:43.596)
say that you hate AI and you're going to get a staying ovation, say that you hate APAC or the Iran war or say the economy sucks. And that's kind of easy ground right now on the left, but no one's touching the hard stuff.

Mark Hayes (04:56.918)
Right. Right. As I mentioned, AOC was at Ebenezer Baptist Church over the weekend. Didn't see a lot of airplay about it. Didn't see, well, of course we don't watch local, but you know, that's what you need. You need AOC, Bernie, the big names, Hakeem, Chuckles. We gonna get Chuckles down in the South? Can't get Chuckles down South, huh?

No? Okay. Those are the names that we need down here. Chuckles calls himself the leader of the party. We need all the big names. We got DL Hughley and Ryan Clark make it more of a stink than our elected leaders. This is absolutely frightening. you know, Brock, it pains me to have to ask a 17 or 18 year old kid to give up on his dream and to give away millions of dollars, right?

to try to fix a problem that's 50, 60 years in the making, right? To take something away from white America. mean, look, I saw a great video today that gave me hope from the Tennessee debacle, right? When Tennessee drew the new maps, there was some video from outside the state house where somebody let the hood know.

that they were not happy about what was going on. And these lawmakers were accosted. They were called every name in the book. Folks were up in their faces, screaming and yelling, threatening them with violence. And I'm okay with that. A state trooper had to be brought in to separate one state senator.

and a man who had come to protest. That's the kind of energy we need. We need to let people know that if you want to take something, there are consequences and repercussions. Now, the only way to fight them, as Dr. King reminded us, was at the ballot box. Yelling and shouting is good, but we're outnumbered, especially for black folk.

Mark Hayes (07:20.046)
We only 13 % of the population, but in the South, the numbers are on our side. You see, so many of these states are already blue, but we wouldn't know it by the numbers that are gerrymandered and reconfigurated to make up majority white districts or to take away the voice of Southern black Americans.

Texas is blue, right? You combine the African-American population with the Latino population in Texas, it's blue. Louisiana, blue. Mississippi, been blue. Georgia, blue. Look at the demos. Look at the African-American vote. And we still can't get adequate representation. If your vote didn't matter so much, why are they working so hard to take it from you?

You have to ask yourself that question. They're not doing this in Idaho. They're not running this game in Wyoming. They're not running it in Maine, New Hampshire.

Right? They don't need to. Not running it in Minneapolis.

because it's not even close. So down here in the South, the numbers are on our side and we need to make our voices heard and need to get everybody, and I mean everybody, I don't care where you live. If you're a voting age and you're eligible to vote, you need to be registered. And if you're not, somebody, ask somebody at the church because the church

Mark Hayes (09:11.892)
is the only thing right now, the only place you can go and get reliable information from people who are working in the community. Unless you know somebody in the sororities and fraternities, but we don't conduct enough voter registration drives and we can't endorse candidates as a 501c3 organization. So we have to rely

on servants of the community. Right? The black church has taken a lot out of the community. It's time to put something back in. Right? You tithe, you give to the offering, you give to the building fund, right? You give to the guest minister, the music ministry, man, they take up so many collections in the black church. You don't know if your wallet's coming or going.

It's time to put some of that capital back into the fight for our basic rights.

Brock Ganeles (10:21.412)
The other missing piece of the puzzle, we had, I feel it was six months ago, those barnstorming tours, Maxwell Frost, had a whole bunch of, I mean, obviously Bernie and AOC was the headliner event, but there are a lot of these secondary barnstorming events going around into red states, particularly getting good crowds, kind of starting to form some messaging.

Mark Hayes (10:41.197)
Mm-hmm.

Brock Ganeles (10:46.49)
And we haven't really seen much of that anymore. I know if they're being deferential to candidates around the road, but I think the issues are too big. And in terms of the left, it's all about motivating action. So all the big names have to be out there all the time. If you're a politician, that is your job now. It's not to go sit and legislate. Nothing's going to get legislated right now.

Mark Hayes (10:46.562)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (11:17.134)
Maybe you have to go block some shit, but nothing's getting legislated. So you're not writing up a hundred page documents that are just going to die in committee anyway. You're in a communications job. I think we've been saying this for over a year. You're in a communications job and the communications job is getting harder yet more important because they're taking more, MAG is taking more shit away, which making the job harder.

Mark Hayes (11:35.874)
BOOM

Brock Ganeles (11:46.765)
And more important, because we're getting closer to a day of action, right? We're marching closer to a day of action and we need massive voter registration. We'll obviously need massive voter turnout. And we're gonna need a lot of volunteers out there watching, poll watchers, and I don't know, people just like.

roaming the streets to offset the ice Gestapo that's going to be out front with guns to make individuals feel safer about the vote. like you said, whether it's church members or other volunteers who will help people get registered and track their voter registration and make sure they know what polling center to go to, because they're going to try every shenanigan and trick in the book. So let's make this overwhelming.

Mark Hayes (12:22.667)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (12:42.018)
like they did in Hungary where even Orban had to acknowledge he lost. Make it overwhelming and make it obvious if they cheat. If it's close!

Mark Hayes (12:43.726)
Yeah.

Right.

Brock Ganeles (12:53.708)
and they cheat, it's going to be hard to prove.

Mark Hayes (12:57.23)
Right? But you know, it's funny too because Pennsylvania, there's no way, I have to go back to 24. There's no way he won Pennsylvania. No way, bro. There ain't no way. Because look, Kamala knocked on 800,000 doors with her team. None of those volunteers.

and she had an army out, saw one member of the Trump ground team, because there was none. There was none. So how did he pull that off? How did they pull, I mean, know they were, Elon Musk was giving people a million dollars for their vote. How do we allow that to slide? Elon Musk isn't even a fucking citizen. What is he doing here?

Brock Ganeles (13:31.321)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (13:53.763)
What is he doing here? Go fuck up your own cut. Go back to South Africa. You can get all the oppression you want down there.

Brock Ganeles (14:00.663)
This is why mark I go back to the point we were making off the top which is that it has to be overwhelming and in order for this to be an overwhelming election and let's use Hungary as our model right who just Fucking sent or bond to the woodshed to where he crawled out of there and now they have a they have a significant overturning and sweeping out of all or bonds people and sweeping out

Mark Hayes (14:06.872)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (14:29.466)
his policies and corruption to the point where a lot of wealthy people in Hungary are leaving because they're leaving with those dollars that ill-gotten gains and they're high talent out of there with any money they can grab, but they've purged their oligarchy and they're flying the European Union flag now. I mean, it's been a 180. It should be a great model for us and what can be done if the election's overwhelming and we put in place candidates.

who state that they're gonna make fucking sweeping changes. Not going back to the way things are, not bringing calm, not trying to unify the country. Hungary's unified because they overturned fucking shit. We'll be pretty unified except for that MAGA crew if we overturn shit with the mandate to change things. But that requires addressing the hard shit.

Mark Hayes (15:03.79)
Right.

Mark Hayes (15:13.729)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (15:26.426)
You're not going have overwhelming numbers just talking about data centers and AI and APAC and the economy, which is in every election. You got to talk about the shit that's really going to light people up and get them to walk by those mass Gestapo with their AK-47s and go into that polling booth anyway. And for Latinos, you've got to be saying you're abolishing ICE, getting

Mark Hayes (15:35.342)
Right.

Mark Hayes (15:39.597)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (15:53.143)
unlocking the doors of those concentration camps and starting this whole fucking effort over in a humane way with the new department. And you gotta be telling black people you're getting your fucking voting rights back at the the least. That's the first thing that's going to happen. And tell women you're getting your bodily autonomy back. You gotta talk about this shit.

Mark Hayes (15:59.15)
Yep.

Mark Hayes (16:14.798)
I don't understand why we're not.

I really don't.

It's easy pickings and it gets people fired. It'll get, we know it gets people to the polls, right? Remember Kansas got people to the polls in every state where it's been on the ballot. People have come out in droves, in droves. So why are we not going to the places, to the hard places? You know, they got a term in hockey is called playing in the hard areas.

Right in front of the crease, right in front of the gold tender. No one wants to go in there. You get hurt in there. You get tore up and you get hacked, slashed, kicked, punched, the whole nine. And pucks are flying at you. You want to be right in front of the puck until the last possible second. But I just don't understand what's so hard about getting a unifying message. Go back and look at the book.

Brock Ganeles (17:00.632)
And pucks are flying at you too, right?

Brock Ganeles (17:17.474)
But let's throw healthcare in that mix too. Let's throw healthcare in that hard category too. Like, I mean, we're have to refight for healthcare and say, look, would all these people that are...

Mark Hayes (17:20.494)
Hey!

Brock Ganeles (17:29.666)
canceling their healthcare because they can't afford it because of the fucking rollbacks of the ACA. We got, we should be talking about double and tripling down on the ACA, not just getting everyone back onto it, but figuring out how to get more and more and marching towards universal healthcare. Tougher topic got to explain how it's going to work and why it's in everyone's benefit. Maybe they're not just one sentence buzzword topics, but these are the topics that are going to motivate the masses. So we actually,

Mark Hayes (17:46.862)
Yup.

Brock Ganeles (17:59.623)
get some fucking voter turnout that's above 50 % in this country.

Mark Hayes (18:03.648)
What, which is ridiculous. Which is ridiculous. I can't imagine all these people who are out here talking shit about the process and we only got 50 % of the electorate showing up.

Unbelievable. Unbelievable. And you can't you you forfeit your right to complain when you don't participate in the voting process. And then you want to sit back and and and make videos on YouTube and talk and tick tock. OK, that's not helping. That is not helping us at all. And I mean, until they start doing that, until everyone starts going to the ballot box, you know, shut the fuck up.

Brock Ganeles (18:53.188)
Well, we're going to have to do some peer to peer messaging, which is that if you don't vote, you're fucking MAGA because you're if you're complacent and you're if you don't vote, you're complicit because you didn't vote against MAGA. You didn't actively go out and do what it takes. To overthrow this regime. Then you're tacitly a part of it.

Mark Hayes (18:59.659)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (19:20.836)
You're like the Germans who just watched the Nazis march down the street and just rolled along. in this, in this, and I think that's the type of messaging that we're going to, that is going to have to be delivered like a hard message. And you got to combine it with an inspiring one, but also give a hard message like, Hey, we're going to change shit. We're going to address these hard issues, these difficult topics. We're going to talk about them and we're going to fix them.

Mark Hayes (19:49.666)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (19:50.939)
But you can't, if you sit home, you're on the other side. Mazel put a red hat on because it's the same, it's the same, basically impact because the vote we don't get is a vote we lost. And if a vote not to overthrow is a vote to agree to roll along with the regime. And maybe that type of messaging has people embarrassed to say in their friend group that they didn't vote. That's what we need to get to.

Mark Hayes (20:00.909)
Right.

Right.

Mark Hayes (20:09.696)
Right?

No doubt.

Mark Hayes (20:20.662)
Right, right. I mean, you the Supreme Court stepping right in wherever they can to help Donald Trump, you know, get back, get back in office. Well, keep the midterm, keep the majority for now in the midterms. But, you know, they're just as complicit, right? So the next president who doesn't come in saying we've got to stack the court because this is ridiculous. These people are

bought and sold. all know it. We all know what they've done. We all know what kind of perks they've received. Did anybody ever find out what happened to Brett Kavanaugh's $250,000 worth of revolving debt? Who paid that off? Because it all of sudden went away. Well, he lives in a million dollar home in some of the most expensive real estate in the nation's capital. He wasn't making that kind of money with a wife that stayed home and worked on a regular basis.

So, you know, we've gotta stop dealing with the fuckery, start prosecuting people, reinstitute the rule of law. Why are we not?

sounding the alarm. America's democracy is in decline. Max Boot had a Chinese army intelligence expert on, talking about how China is basically laughing at our military apparatus right now because it is so far behind the eight, and China is so far technologically advanced.

So China, when it comes time to invade Taiwan, these military experts think that Donald Trump is gonna tuck tail and run, and run, won't even consider fighting back because the Chinese army will put it on us.

Brock Ganeles (22:25.344)
I'm worried he's going to fucking roll over at this these set of meetings he's going to.

Mark Hayes (22:30.35)
Oh, exactly. Exactly. So, you know, look, we are in trouble. It's already going to take us years to replenish what we wasted over there at the Strait of Hormuz. And remember, when Donald Trump took office, the Strait of Hormuz was open and gas was what, $2.50? That would be low.

Brock Ganeles (22:52.366)
$1.50 lower, $1.50 lower. So the average was more like, I think it was like 290 or something. 280, 290.

Mark Hayes (22:58.038)
Yeah. Yeah. But everything's more expensive now. And it's getting passed on to the consumer. And Donald Trump's got the nerve.

Brock Ganeles (23:05.018)
inflation was up 3.3 yeah inflation was up 3.8 percent in the month and that's the numbers that they admitted to god knows what it really was and now it's passing through the food and even things like the price i was reading the price of tin has gone up so everything it's in a tin can costs more so you wonder why your tuna fish is up that extra dime or 20 cents

Mark Hayes (23:13.421)
Right.

Mark Hayes (23:24.737)
Love it.

Ugh. It's crazy. It's crazy.

Brock Ganeles (23:29.27)
It's the components. Yeah, so

I mean...

Mark Hayes (23:33.966)
So he's wildly unpopular. No one likes him. How does he keep the majority without cheating? I can't imagine. He's not gonna be able to out-Gerrymander those 25, 30 point swings.

Brock Ganeles (23:50.169)
He shouldn't be able to unless in some crazy way sentiment has eased or worked its way back because those numbers were at the height of the ICE rage which is dissipated and maybe if he just somehow tamps down the rage it's shitty and low turnout plus it's suppressed voter turnout and you know they

figure out a way to win. I'm worried about it. It's not a foregone conclusion that there's gonna be some blue wave because of what we talked about. think, I believe because we don't have enough energy because we're not talking about these difficult topics that matter to so many people that the party, the Democratic Party,

Mark Hayes (24:21.774)
Good

Mark Hayes (24:41.474)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (24:46.178)
not the resistance, which I think has more energy, but the mainstream party is still playing to the middle and playing to what's safe. And that worries me.

Mark Hayes (24:57.26)
Yeah, that's scary. That is scary, but that's your boy Ken Martin, your boy. He letting us down and

Brock Ganeles (25:09.742)
You know in sports, Mark, how they call it, like playing not to lose instead of playing to win. And I feel like that's what I'm hearing throughout the Democratic candidate base is to just help play in the middle. Don't say anything wrong. Don't be controversial. Talk about these topics that you know everyone agrees with you on and stay away from the topics that, you know,

Mark Hayes (25:09.9)
IT'S

Mark Hayes (25:15.788)
Right, right.

Mark Hayes (25:24.366)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (25:38.937)
The other side might be able to pounce on in their racism and their misogyny. So stay away from those because they can inflame their base and fire up their base by coming back at you on those topics. So we don't address the big stuff, the real meaty societal living room issues, the day to day shit that actually affects people's lives and the society they live in.

Mark Hayes (25:43.309)
Right.

Mark Hayes (25:54.541)
Alright.

Mark Hayes (25:59.31)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (26:06.936)
not just the economy they live in. And I feel like it's a play in it's safe scenario right now. And the more we talk about it, the more concerned I'm getting about it.

Mark Hayes (26:09.357)
Right.

Mark Hayes (26:18.198)
Yeah, I mean, we need to be concerned. The Democrats clearly don't have a strategy that looks like it's going to be effective.

Brock Ganeles (26:25.646)
And the leaders suck Schumer, Ken Martin, Hakeem Jeffries. Alpa Jeffries is the best of those three, but still a disappointment.

Mark Hayes (26:35.49)
Yeah, still, yeah, much weaker than I anticipated from Brooklyn. I know Brooklyn's mad about it, but I love you Brooklyn. So if you out there, holler up there BK. All right, quick hit for me, what do you got?

Brock Ganeles (26:53.754)
So I'll touch on sports again. I've had a nice consistent run on the sports side of things. So you know Elaine Kiffin is right? Certainly coached a few different teams down in the SEC. I think he's been at Tennessee and assistant Alabama went to Ole Miss had a great season, high tailed it out of there and signed a new contract with LSU while the team was in the college football playoff. So Elaine Kiffin. Yeah.

Mark Hayes (26:59.585)
Sure.

Mark Hayes (27:03.505)
I sure do.

Mark Hayes (27:18.712)
contention contention for national championship.

Brock Ganeles (27:22.138)
Lane Kiffin ain't about anyone but Lane Kiffin. Now he goes down to LSU and says at a press conference that he has a competitive recruiting edge against the University of Mississippi, Ole Miss, because things are kind of racist up there in Mississippi and they're always waving that Confederate flag around and calling themselves the rebels.

Mark Hayes (27:25.602)
for sure.

Brock Ganeles (27:48.171)
and he's going to be able to effectively recruit against them because there's more diversity down there at LSU. So Lane within the SEC now, the racist SEC in deep red America, even there now they're trying to bifurcate out who's less racist than the other team and leave it to Lane Kiffin who only cares about Lane Kiffin to lay that out there. Thoughts?

Mark Hayes (28:16.192)
Right. I thought it was an interesting back and forth on social media about who was less racist than the other. It's sad that no one said, why don't we stop being racist?

Brock Ganeles (28:29.774)
You're all, you're all so fucking racist. You're like, you're grading yourselves on such a curve.

Mark Hayes (28:34.326)
Yeah, what a fucking shame. I think I wrote back on Twitter, this is all so sad. No one said let's give up the racism. I said let's just do it a little less so we can have a better football team.

Brock Ganeles (28:47.566)
Meanwhile, as you said, has the announcer who's the state senator who's going to vote, you know, like he's fucking George Wallace, right?

Mark Hayes (28:54.304)
What? Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever.

Brock Ganeles (29:01.698)
And that's the school that has the advantage because they're less racist. That's the one who's less racist. Cause at least they're not waving a Confederate flag.

Mark Hayes (29:06.508)
Less racist. Right. Right. Right.

Mark Hayes (29:13.302)
Right. And not dropping the N-word during the player announcements.

Brock Ganeles (29:16.762)
God help me. If we can't get young kids to sign somewhere else, please go visit UCLA just once. Beautiful campus. my God. You're going to feel like you're in heaven. You're never going to want to go back.

Mark Hayes (29:19.31)
You know? Oh my gosh.

Mark Hayes (29:30.829)
Right.

Right, right. I know the snow is tough, but you got University of Michigan, you got Boston College, beautiful campuses. You Michigan State where football is legendary. You got a lot of other good choices.

Brock Ganeles (29:48.216)
and you'll actually have voting rights.

Mark Hayes (29:50.542)
Right. Unlike,

Brock Ganeles (29:52.547)
Not exactly, not exactly priority one for 18 year olds, but we can, we can dream. All right. So that's my lane Kiffin, sec tidbit de jour. thought it was funny that he's the king of diversity. Now it's like, like they say in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. So in the land of the racist, the school that doesn't wave the Confederate flag is diversity university.

Mark Hayes (29:57.346)
Right.

Mark Hayes (30:06.69)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (30:10.83)
Yeah, no doubt.

Mark Hayes (30:18.05)
He doesn't call itself the rebel. Yeah, dude, who's going to tell them they lost? Who's going to tell him? just. as we speak. Sad news out of Memphis. I was just watching the Lawrence and Wright Dateline story the other night, and then this one pops up Memphis Grizzlies forward. Brandon Clark has died. 29 years old, no word on the cause of death.

Brock Ganeles (30:27.512)
Now they're rewriting those history books. They didn't live.

Mark Hayes (30:47.534)
They're not even saying where he died, just deepest condolences from the team. 29 years old is very, very young and very, very sad. Former NBA player Brandon Clark, dead at 29 years of age.

Brock Ganeles (31:04.002)
I read that he had a... like he got stopped, he had drugs on him, he was driving like...

at an extremely high rate. Something happened a couple of months ago. So there was some worries about what was going on with him. I know he'd gotten injured and what was his career, was a career ending. We know that's very tough transition for these young people where they're kind of heroes and then they're totally discarded by society when they are no longer functional athletes. Yeah.

Mark Hayes (31:16.684)
Mm-hmm.

Mark Hayes (31:20.686)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (31:24.654)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (31:29.517)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (31:37.251)
Well, they're left alone. Yeah, we saw with the wide receiver from the Vikings and Cardinals. You know, he sustained what he thought was a career ending industry and ended up taking his own life, which was really sad, Rondell Moore. But, you know, these athletes, like you said, they're they're king today and then they get hurt and everybody kind of forgets about them.

And they're left at home with nothing but their thoughts and their remote controls and their injury. And they get into their feelings and next thing you know, one bad decision leads to another. So sad news, sad news.

Brock Ganeles (32:22.148)
Sad news, but familiar story. one that like we just have, it just ties into a lot of the other things we talked about about, yeah, some players are making more money now. They're making money younger as college kids. That's great. So they're being in essence abused and discarded with some money in their pocket, but it's not changing the dynamic for them really as human beings. You know, it gives them more of a cushion.

Mark Hayes (32:24.354)
Yeah, very similar story.

Mark Hayes (32:41.144)
Right.

Mark Hayes (32:47.245)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (32:51.14)
But it's not, it doesn't change everything.

Mark Hayes (32:54.264)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (32:56.824)
So it's sad. mean, I'm just worried that the cause of this one was, but you know, self-inflicted. That was my concern as I was reading the story, that this didn't sound like a natural causes type of, type of finish. But when you got coaches like Lane Kiffin and assholes like that, and they're put in charge and they're just using and discarding, the athletes come and go, they don't care about them. You know, I think I think.

Mark Hayes (32:56.846)
All right.

Mark Hayes (33:06.263)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (33:21.846)
Not at all. I don't know if you remember Lane Kiffin caught on that hot mic berating a player. Player went in there and recorded him. And we got to know the real side of Lane Kiffin. You know, when he didn't know the camera was on. So, no doubt, no doubt.

Brock Ganeles (33:37.582)
He's an asshole.

But if he wins games, he'll keep his job.

Mark Hayes (33:43.082)
all day long. And even if he doesn't, he'll get recycled.

Brock Ganeles (33:45.338)
Yeah, that's right.

Mark Hayes (33:49.742)
because he's a good looking white guy. And they like that in the Southeast Conference. All right, buddy, that's it for us. We'll rack it up.

Brock Ganeles (33:56.474)
All right, Mark. It was a pleasure. Pick it up tomorrow.

Mark Hayes (33:59.639)
Revolution.