2 Men In Black and White: An Honest Conversation

Mark Hayes (00:01.652)
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Men in Black and White and Honest Conversation. All right, Brock, Tulsi Gabbard is out as DNI chief. I say good riddance. What say you?

Brock Ganeles (00:16.654)
I'm with you on that front. I mean, there's no great loss. We wondered from the day she got the job whether she was actually looking out for America's best interest or was there she's an agent of Vladimir Putin. So that's where we started with the head of our intelligence agency. Nothing that went on during her year of service, year plus of service changed that sentiment. And therefore the only thing I worry about is that Trump

find someone worse, like he tends to be able to do for every other job because he has such a short list of candidates who pass his, you know, his loyalty tests. And that leaves us with even more incompetence. So is it a step backwards today? Is it a step sideways? Probably a step sideways.

Mark Hayes (01:04.178)
Right. Yeah, you know he's got to put somebody in there he can control. He's also got to put somebody in as the head of the chair of the Fed, Federal Reserve Board. And we've got to wait and see who was going to take Tulsi Gabbard's spot. We know we're the laughing stock of the intelligence community. We're no longer involved with the Five Eyes. We've lost our

cache when it comes to intelligence gathering around the world because the rest of the world knows that we are being run by a troop of idiots all piled in a clown car.

Brock Ganeles (01:50.936)
They don't trust us. mean, do we have, what real allies do we have in the world? Okay. guess we're going to have to say Israel because we're certainly, you know, reinforcing them more and more munitions and also doing their bidding in the middle East. guess Saudi Arabia and like Qatar and the UAE are allies. That never feels quite like we're really in the same foxhole with them.

Mark Hayes (02:01.012)
Brock Ganeles (02:20.28)
But other than that, we've lost all the European allies. Australia doesn't trust us. Mexico and Canada are just trying to ride out the Trump regime. They certainly don't trust us. Greenland's no longer an ally, right? Brazil is just trying to get along with us. I mean, we have no allies. There's no one sharing information with us. We're on an island. We're less secure, whether Tulsi's in the seat or not. Once again, Trump is sweeping out one way or another all the women.

Mark Hayes (02:27.871)
huh.

Brock Ganeles (02:49.208)
that he put into his administration. So it's gonna be a bunch of old white guys looking to make as much money as they can off of our taxpayer dollars, the way I do this entire administration.

Mark Hayes (02:57.938)
Yeah, and they know. Right.

Yeah, it's been a money grab from the start for these people. Tulsi saying she's leaving.

to go spend time with her husband who is incredibly ill from a rare form of bone cancer. And yeah, we can be empathetic, but at the same time, good riddance because we know you're a Russian agent of the state. We know what you did in Fulton County, Georgia, grabbing, seizing, illegally seizing those ballots was patently un-American. And we know that you were not a straight shooter.

And you didn't do anything these past 16 months. You haven't accomplished a thing, especially anything that makes us more secure. So we are as vulnerable as we've ever been. I don't know that this position is as important as the head of the FBI or the head of the CIA.

Brock Ganeles (04:04.568)
Yeah, before we get...

Mark Hayes (04:07.314)
Go ahead.

Brock Ganeles (04:10.21)
Yeah, before we get to the national security issues, MAGA would not be sympathetic to Tulsi Gabbard because of her husband's illness. Trump certainly would not be sympathetic. He's been dancing on graves as they come in. Obviously, her husband will get great health care because she's a government worker and person of means, of which most Americans...

Mark Hayes (04:31.814)
or not. Yep.

Brock Ganeles (04:32.14)
would not be able to get. And it's also kind of frustrates me that she's a part of administration that's cut back on cancer research. So whether it affects her husband or future generations of people who get rare bone cancers, they're gonna be less likely to be saved because we've decided that's a place where we needed to save money. We didn't need to save it on, you know, the American war machine.

We needed to save money on scientific and medical research. So I always get frustrated when I hear about these types of incidences and...

Mark Hayes (04:58.739)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (05:04.362)
and why we're allowing America to fall behind on the types of medical advances that keep us alive. That's the human side of it, national security side of it. Yeah, Tulsi Gabbard was just a part of a regime that alienated all our allies, broke up Five Eyes, was untrustworthy, and has been viewed by the world as in the back pocket of Putin, and therefore no one will tell us anything.

Mark Hayes (05:28.666)
Right. And that continues because just because she's gone doesn't mean that we all of a sudden became trustworthy and that, you know, the folks who used to help us out are now going to step in and help us. That's not going to happen.

Again, Brock, we've said this many times before, but it's going to take a monumental effort to get this government back to where it was and back to running like the well-oiled machine that it used to be. It just seems like her tenure was an abject failure, especially when you talk about the war machine, but yet we're sabotaging our own troops by passing along sensitive information.

Brock Ganeles (06:15.746)
broke up I couldn't hear that last sentence.

Mark Hayes (06:18.674)
No, I said we're talking about the war machine, but yet we're passing along sensitive information that just sabotages our troops and our military properties around the world. Look how easily the Iranians were able to damage vital satellites of the US military operation.

And, you know, are we to believe that they just happened to know where all those locations were? I mean, come on. How stupid are we supposed to be?

Brock Ganeles (06:57.516)
or Russia had the coordinates.

Mark Hayes (07:00.38)
Sure, sure, and pass them right along. You know, because they pay Trump. And we've heard that come out of Kevin McCarthy's mouth. So we know between that and Tulsi Gabbard's connection to the Russian apparatus and intelligence apparatus.

She couldn't have been much help either when it comes to defending the United States. And that's the frustrating part is we're watching all these puppets of Trump rake in the cash and simultaneously destroy the American experience as we know it. Because the American experiment is over, right? Democracy is dead.

until we change it. I don't know if we're going to be able to change it with a vote, with a midterm election.

Brock Ganeles (07:59.203)
Yeah, I mean, it's America in decline. Whoever takes over for Tulsi Gabbard, I don't see how they will have even the power to turn anything around. As long as Trump is the president of the United States, we're not going to be trusted in the international community. And we don't deserve to be trusted in the international community. So we're very much more on our own. We're less safe. We can get less done in the global stage.

We're less effective as a military force because our intelligence isn't as good as it was and because we don't do anything with any true set of allies. So it's a good reason to Tulsi Gabbard. She did nothing in the job of any value. And the next person who steps in

Mark Hayes (08:38.548)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (08:50.154)
maybe worse and probably isn't going to be any more effective or even have the opportunity to be any more effective. So I am skeptical that a high quality person is going to take the job because working with Trump is a reputation killer. So it's only going to be the worst of the worst that are going to really want that seat in the long run. You mentioned there's an interim guy stepping in who's more of a career.

Mark Hayes (08:53.94)
Good luck.

Mark Hayes (09:11.743)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (09:17.134)
CIA agent, maybe that stems the tide on the worst of the worst, but he's still working for Trump. He's still feeding Trump the information and Trump still has the ability to leak it to whoever they want. And there's no one guy that's going to rebuild American stature. So, you know, we are, we're, you know, it's another step backwards today, but we're used to steps backwards now.

Mark Hayes (09:26.726)
Right. Right.

Mark Hayes (09:35.078)
Right.

Mark Hayes (09:44.564)
Yeah, I mean, that's all we've been doing for the past, you know, 17 months, 16, 17 months. May is just about over. We're coming up on Memorial Day. We're going to watch him make a fool of himself on Memorial Day again because he doesn't understand the true meaning of service. You would have thought we could expect more from Tulsi Gabbard as a service member and more of an allegiance to the troops.

Instead of helping us get into a senseless war, right? She could have been the voice of reason where our guys are coming back in flag-draped coffins or badly hacked up from a theater of war. And it makes absolutely no sense. No one can justify it. No one has still told us why it's happening. Just on Capitol Hill today, they canceled the War Powers vote.

Maga Mike Johnson, Grinder Mike, himself, you know, cancels the war powers vote because he knows, you know, that these people are trying to hold on to their seats. November's coming. How many elections you gonna rig?

I mean, how many different races can you rig with those satellites that Musk has? All right, it's one thing to rig the presidential election, but all of, you know, the congressional and senate seats? I don't know. I don't know what kind of computer he has, but it'll be interesting to see what happens.

Brock Ganeles (11:17.154)
They got a lot of work to do. They'll try. mean, of course, oil prices are up again because there's no there's no way out of the Iran conflict at this point. Either we unless we in essence back out slash surrender and walk away and declare victory and just get out of there, take the L and get the Strait of Hormuz reopened is the only way oil prices are going to come down.

Mark Hayes (11:19.516)
Anymore?

Mark Hayes (11:24.626)
No! No!

Mark Hayes (11:29.65)
back down. Right.

Take the L.

Mark Hayes (11:45.491)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (11:46.057)
So we can't get out with, know, Trump is in a box and he's stuck in that box. He doesn't want to bomb Iran more because he knows that's just going to.

get the American people up in arms that were spending more money and putting our troops at risk. So he sees the wars unpopular. So he screwed there. The higher oil prices are certainly unpopular because everybody goes to the gas pump once a week, right? That's what America does. We drive, we're driving culture. Memorial Day, supposedly the most traffic day of the year coming up. So he screwed up the affordability. He screwed on the

Mark Hayes (12:13.812)
Thank

Yeah, help it.

Brock Ganeles (12:26.742)
Desire to want to look like we won something and he's a conquering hero But yet he's got America against the war in general. So we're stuck. There's no way out We're gonna have to take the L one way or another. I think he's gonna have to admit defeat in a rose-colored way and get gas prices down That's what America cares about. We care about food and gas prices

Mark Hayes (12:47.432)
Right.

the only thing. Right. Because gas prices affect everything else. Gas prices are affecting the grocery prices. Gas prices are affecting the delivery prices for your Amazon deliveries. Gas prices affect everything. So, you know, that's all the American people care about is how can I get my bill lowered?

Brock Ganeles (13:10.952)
And gas prices are advertised on the corner of like every street in America, right? On a big sign, you know, even food prices. You got to go in the store to see that gas prices are like a billboard in everywhere in America. And you see a four, 69 number, you start seeing a five handle. People are being pissed and they and they know who to blame and they know.

Mark Hayes (13:17.894)
in America, right?

Mark Hayes (13:24.296)
Gas prices. It's a reminder.

Mark Hayes (13:33.312)
oooo

Brock Ganeles (13:38.956)
They know who to blame. Like they're not blaming Biden anymore. They blame Biden for the eggs. The gas is all on Trump.

Mark Hayes (13:45.672)
Yep. It's a self-inflicted wound that never should have gotten off the ground. And it's really frustrating for most of the American people. again, if you're in the 1%, you're really not. You're swiping, right? You don't care. You don't care that it costs a little bit more.

Brock Ganeles (14:11.928)
doesn't affect it.

Mark Hayes (14:14.58)
I mean, that's what we've to. We've come to us and them, Brock.

Brock Ganeles (14:14.926)
It's not touching you, but.

Brock Ganeles (14:19.8)
But Trump is so narcissistic, he's so narcissistic and selfish that at the same time that everyone in America is hurting, he is basically stealing $1.8 billion from the treasury because he's the aggrieved one to set up this slush fund. The timing couldn't be worse.

Mark Hayes (14:36.358)
Right. Right. Ugh.

Brock Ganeles (14:40.95)
Right at the price is going at the at the peak of the inaffordability. He's just taking billions of dollars. He's so tone deaf because he doesn't he's tone deaf because he doesn't give a fuck about anyone else. It's almost not even being tone deaf. He just doesn't care. We've known it all along. We've seen it our whole lives. It's just interesting to watch rank and file MAGA. You know, start to understand it.

Mark Hayes (14:52.174)
Right. Right.

Mark Hayes (15:06.599)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (15:06.912)
or, you know, only because it's affecting them directly because they're so not empathetic.

Mark Hayes (15:10.226)
Right. Right. And he's screwing the farmers again. And MAGA is quietly understanding it. You got Shapiro out there and a couple of the MAGA influencers that are making a little bit of noise. But it's not loud, nearly as loud as it needs to be. And you still got one third of the country that's on board.

Speaking of one third of the country, you know, what television shows are they watching late night?

Brock Ganeles (15:39.756)
I

Mark Hayes (15:46.386)
because CBS is claiming that the late night talk show hour is dead because of revenue. No, it's your ratings suck because you got rid of one of the most popular franchises on your network and now we're not watching you. We're pulling Paramount subscriptions and Barry Weiss will be remembered for killing CBS News Radio, an institution in

American journalism.

Brock Ganeles (16:22.83)
She's gonna get remembered for killing 60 minutes, CBS radio for tanking CBS news, which is no one but the hardcore MAGA is watching. And ultimately she's gonna get fired, maybe sooner rather than later. But nothing's really going to change because just like when Tulsa Gabbard leaves, it's still trumpet in the seat.

And even after Barry Weiss gets fired, it's still the Ellisons who own everything behind it and their right wing MAGA tech bro, tech oligarchy, we're running shit around here mentality, racist, xenophobic mentality. They're not going to come to some epiphany. They're just going to plug in another right wing, throw them red meat in a different way type of mentality. I'm glad to see.

Mark Hayes (16:49.704)
What?

Mark Hayes (17:10.6)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (17:19.33)
that more Americans are no longer watching these CBS programs, because that's the only recourse we have is to starve them of our eyeballs, which starves them of the money of the advertisers. That's all we can do is make them shrink.

Mark Hayes (17:35.364)
Yep.

Mark Hayes (17:39.368)
Yeah, that's it. And some of these institutions were revered by many Americans, especially us boomers or what are we, boomers or Gen X, whatever we are, but boomers, Gen X, we can remember a time when we respected the articles above the fold in the New York Times. Yes. Yes.

Brock Ganeles (18:01.07)
Well, these were trusted resources, right? At a time where there's so few things that are trusted, you know, they took a trusted resource and turned.

Mark Hayes (18:08.956)
Right. I mean, you're talking about, you know, the Walter Cronkites of the world, you know, the Dan Rathers of the world, who we turned to to make sure that everything was okay in our world. You know, we'll never forget the iconic Cronkite moment when he announced the death of JFK.

You know, you see it in the movie, you see it on history wheels, reels, you see it on YouTube. you know, nobody said, wow, fake news.

Nobody looked at Walter Cronkite and said fake news about the Vietnam War when we were being peddled a line of crap about what was going on there. That was just a moneymaker. And then we sent in a lot of black and brown people's sons to get hacked up and torn up and sent back home and then discarded and not taken care of. So these are the institutions that are supposed to be the fourth

to keep the power in check, right?

These guys won't even answer questions. You see, they had your boy down in Florida running away from the question about the slush fund. What's your governor's name down there? I can see him with the white boots on up to his knees. What's his name? Santhas, yeah. Running away from the question. Yeah, running away from it. Didn't want any part of the smoke. So.

Brock Ganeles (19:38.226)
DeSantis?

DeSantis?

Mark Hayes (19:48.848)
That's what we're stuck with. We're stuck with people who could give a shit who are only concerned with enriching themselves and they could care less about destroying democracy and its institutions.

Brock Ganeles (20:17.422)
Oh, I lost you a little bit again, Airmark.

Mark Hayes (20:23.828)
What was the last part you heard?

Brock Ganeles (20:29.174)
You're saying you're talking about DeSantis.

Mark Hayes (20:31.344)
Yeah, he was running from the question about the $1.8 billion slush fund. And if he thought it was a good idea, refused to answer. Reporters trailing him. He's high stepping it out of the Capitol trying to avoid questions. Like a total goober that he is. But yeah, you know, the scooby on the $1.8 billion slush fund is ridiculous.

Nobody wants to talk about it. Now you're getting some Republicans on the pushback because we got the midterms coming and they think they have to run and win an election. So we'll see what happens. Hopefully, hopefully all the others turn out.

Brock Ganeles (21:11.63)
Okay.

Brock Ganeles (21:17.474)
they're treating the slush fund like the Epstein files, right? Either like, I didn't hear about it. I didn't see it or they're running away from the questions. I mean, it's really almost that toxic in GOP land or Maga world because they just seen how quickly public sentiment has turned against it. So they just are trying to run away from it.

Mark Hayes (21:21.203)
Yes.

Brock Ganeles (21:41.801)
and or they realize they have to be on the other side of the discussion if they're going to have to face voters in November. And that's that's why DeSantis ran away from it. He doesn't want to answer the question. If he answers it truthfully, he gets on the wrong side of Trump and that fucks up his political career. And if he lies, then you know, it's so blatant and so like obvious and a laughable lie that the public's just not buying it. So they're just trying. Mike Johnson's trying to avoid it.

Mark Hayes (21:48.807)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (22:11.552)
Everyone's trying to avoid the question and the topic and they'd like Trump to just move away from it. But this is like the 10th thing they want him to move away from. They want to move away from the Iran war, right? They want to move away from the Greenland thing. They want him to move away from the Epstein files. They really just want him to move away from everything.

Mark Hayes (22:20.788)
Thank

Mark Hayes (22:25.755)
EPSD files.

Mark Hayes (22:32.028)
Yeah. Yeah, just let him do what he wants. Like a petulant child. But all right, let's get right to the quick hits, because we got to get this thing uploaded. Where do you want to begin? What do you got for me?

Brock Ganeles (22:44.492)
Let's do a few quick, let's do a few quick hits. Go ahead. You want me to start? Okay.

Mark Hayes (22:47.693)
Alright. Yes, sir. Go!

Brock Ganeles (22:53.422)
Yeah, I hope I will try to get your sound right for this. I'll edit some other stuff out. Okay, here's one for you. Trump is saying that Don Jr's wedding this weekend is at an inconvenient time for him and he's not sure if he's going to be able to attend the wedding saying, well, it's a second wedding and it's, you know, just a small intimate group down in Bahamas and basically not sure it fits into my schedule. So

not exactly father of the year type of father coming out of Trump. I think it's another thing that makes people realize what a fucked up selfish human being is because the wedding's not about him. But I find it comical for Don Jr. who just tries to roll along in the coattails and his own father fucking hates him. What's your take on the Donald Trump? Do you think he'll attend the wedding or what's your take?

Mark Hayes (23:25.694)
it.

Mark Hayes (23:42.784)
He absolutely...

Mark Hayes (23:47.76)
It's laughable. There's no way he's going. He'd rather be playing golf. And matter of fact, don't be surprised if we see him playing golf at Mar-a-Lago this weekend and not attending the kids' wedding. Don Jr. is just a moron. He's raking in a whole bunch of money, but he doesn't realize how much his father just can't stand his ass.

And yeah, I mean, he talked about him as if he was some guy he met, you know, along the way. And so, Father of the Year, that ain't happening. All right, up next, I got one for you. Maga is big mad about the SEC's proposed boycott.

by the NAACP telling black athletes to decommit from SEC schools, to get in the transfer portal, or just flat out go play someplace else. Black athletes in the South are dominating football and basketball. That is the heart of MAGA country. That is their pride. And you'll remember.

We're old enough to remember when Bear Bryant said, I got to go get me some of them black boys. What do you think about MAGA being upset about them not having black athletes? You want them to run the rock for you, but you don't want them to have voting rights. That doesn't make any sense to me.

Brock Ganeles (25:20.694)
nothing more sacred in MAGA world than football Saturdays, afternoons and nights for college football, right? The pride in the SEC, they all went to those schools. It's national holiday every Saturday and they can't compete nationally if they don't have the black athletes. So I understand that they'd be mad about the boycott, but clearly they don't deserve to have the black players performing for them.

The fact that they don't get, of course they have an owner's mentality, but the fact that you don't get it is sort of mind boggling. It's a lot of pressure to put on 18 year olds to change race relations in America, but it would only take a handful to go to Northern or Western schools to tip the balance to really start riling up the folks down in the South if they start losing football games.

Mark Hayes (26:04.756)
Right.

Mark Hayes (26:18.076)
Yep. Yep. All right, what's your next one?

Brock Ganeles (26:28.344)
Can you hear me okay? Can you hear me?

Mark Hayes (26:30.29)
Yes, sir. Yep.

Brock Ganeles (26:34.734)
Mark, can you hear me? Okay, I got another one for you. Did you see the clip of AOC in her congressional hearing showing the jar of water, dirty water that had come from the backyards of families down in either Georgia or Alabama after Metta slash Facebook had put up a huge data center right in the neighborhood?

That water looked like someone taking a shit in it. Did you see that clip?

Mark Hayes (27:09.01)
I did not. I'm gonna go find it.

Brock Ganeles (27:12.27)
was, go find the clip. She put it up the jar. It was so dirty and it was taken right from the faucet of, believe a white family down in one of those states because a data center had just come in and, you know, basically mucked up the entire water line.

Mark Hayes (27:32.05)
Wow, you know, this is the scary part.

Brock Ganeles (27:33.888)
and they say like pictures of thousand words just looking at that jug of water is like no one in the world would drink that.

Mark Hayes (27:40.73)
Right, two things Brock. First of all, there's your messaging for Democrats running in the midterm. Right, there it is right there. As for the South, South is in big, big trouble. Deep, deep doo-doo. Because what this red map is going to mean is that

Poor rural southern people are going to be subjected to even worse elements of the technological era and the AI onslaught. They'll be the ones bearing the brunt of the environmental attack. And I guess they're okay with it.

I guess the South is okay with it. Georgia, Alabama, even Georgia, lots of places where you can throw up a 200 acre or 300 acre data center because that's what we're going to need for these AI machines. These people don't realize how huge these data centers are.

Brock Ganeles (29:02.094)
The irony is that most of them are going into, you need to put them in a place that has a lot of open territory, which means they're going to more rural areas. Rural areas just as a generalization tend to be more white versus urban centers. So these data centers are getting built in the communities of white America. And now they're getting treated as we always say, Trump treats white America like white people treat black people.

Mark Hayes (29:18.963)
Yep.

Mark Hayes (29:31.176)
Yep.

Brock Ganeles (29:31.885)
and they're being treated by second or third class as second, third class citizens. And we'll be the poster children, the poster for who lost the AI battle. It's those people, they're the losers of it. We know who's winning. The tech bros are winning. The oligarchs are winning. Well, who's losing? It's that family that had that water coming out of their faucet. They're the loser. No upside for AI to them.

Mark Hayes (29:43.396)
Right. Right.

Mark Hayes (29:56.873)
Well...

Mark Hayes (30:00.904)
Well, wait till the children start being born with birth defects and we start seeing different kinds of cancers like we see in Cancer Alley in Louisiana, right? This environmental racism has been going on for years. For as long as we've had any kind of technology, any kind of technological advancements have adversely affect poor, black and brown rural communities. It is what it is, buddy.

All right, you got one more?

Mark Hayes (30:38.996)
All right, buddy, we're going to rack it up. Do it again tomorrow. We're out of here. Hopefully we can get rid of the technological. Yep.

Brock Ganeles (30:44.664)
Alright Mark, you're gonna be back home tomorrow. Alright, sounds good. I'm gonna try to carve this up and see what I can get out of it, because hopefully it wasn't as spotty as it sounded to me, that sometimes the system captures the audio better than it projects it. So I'm gonna do some editing and I'll see what I can pull out of this. You back home tomorrow?

Mark Hayes (30:59.262)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (31:06.61)
Yeah, so we can go early tomorrow because I got a funeral late afternoon.

Brock Ganeles (31:09.454)
Okay, all right.

so you want to take tomorrow off or do want to go earlier?

Mark Hayes (31:18.78)
It's up to you. We could take tomorrow off. OK.

Brock Ganeles (31:20.3)
You ping me, I'm home all day. I can do any time and especially if this one doesn't come out that good, then let's do one earlier tomorrow.

Mark Hayes (31:30.74)
Yeah, let's try and do another one. Okay, cool. All right, see ya.

Brock Ganeles (31:35.234)
Okay, you just shoot me a note, like I said. In fact, Valerie has something to do in the afternoon. I'm home alone pretty much most of the day.

Mark Hayes (31:45.008)
Okay. All right, buddy. See you tomorrow.

Brock Ganeles (31:46.422)
Okay, good stuff. Get home safe. All right, I'll edit this up and I might have to carve it into some smaller ones but I'm gonna do with it when I can. All right, bye.

Mark Hayes (31:54.941)
Okay, thanks.