2 Men In Black and White: An Honest Conversation

Mark Hayes (00:03.211)
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another live stream edition of Two Men in Black and White and Honest Conversation. I'm joined by my partner in crime, Brock Ganellas, from the lovely confines of the upper Hudson River Valley, just out there chilling, living the dream. That's what we do here. and we also speak truth to power. We are livid about what's going on in Iran. It seems that nobody knows. It seems that,

Trump is just stalling with his excessive demands. And, you know, and and here's the problem with that. We keep paying for it. We are paying for it at the pump, in the grocery store, anything related to commerce, because it all has to get there by trucks, right? AI is not going to deliver products and goods and services to human beings.

There's no way that AI can get the bananas from the port to the grocery store. So Donald Trump is steady screwing us. Look at the fertilizer prices. Right? It's peak summertime, peak grass growing season, especially up there where you are. It's insane, broh. And nobody, nobody has any answers for us. That's the fucking problem.

Brock Ganeles (01:28.642)
Nobody really underst well, I shouldn't say nobody, right? Most of us don't understand what we as a country are negotiating with Iran. Like what are what are because it was never explained to us why we started the altercation. So we don't understand what the parameters are for ending the altercation, right? Are we on is is the nuclear capabilities which

Mark Hayes (01:47.114)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (01:58.892)
Like the Paris Accord, similar to like what John Kerry negotiated with Obama? Like, is that what the why we started this war be of over nuclear capabilities? Or are we only now just worried about getting the Strait of Hormuz back open so that we can get oil flowing around the world and bring prices down? I mean, Donald Trump hasn't articulated any of these topics. We don't know.

Mark Hayes (02:11.187)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (02:25.45)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (02:25.688)
W there's supposedly some sort of deal on the table, but Trump is like slow playing it because he wants a better deal. But what does a better deal mean to Donald Trump? D does he really give a shit? Has he about his assessment of a United States and its national interest? Or has he now figured out that the more engagements America's involved with, the higher that military budget needs to be.

The more contracts that he can funnel back to these very newly formed companies that his family has put in place and is all of a sudden getting these massive government contracts. So as Donald Trump just figured out, military, the military, war is just another place where he can make money.

Mark Hayes (03:20.491)
Brock, that's all it is. Another money grab for him and his family. And that is why it is so important that people get to the ballot box so we can get to the bottom of the daylight corruption. we need Operation Broad Daylight, where we examine all this fucker's financial gains. this 1.4 billion.

billion dollars I heard I heard a panelist on one of the network shows I believe on a clip with Reese Waters say that this is more money than Donald Trump has made his entire life in the past 17 months. Brock but they told us he was a good businessman right now he's a thief

Okay, he's not a businessman. He is a clown and a joke and someone who needs to be prosecuted. He doesn't need to be revered. There has been nothing, nothing positive about this presidency unless you're a white supremacist and you like seeing others suffer.

That's what this presidency will be remembered as the great suffering of the American people when it comes to their what I don't care, I don't care what your tax bracket is, you're still paying more. You're still paying more. The stock market's going up and down, it's ridiculous.

Brock Ganeles (04:59.062)
It'll be

Brock Ganeles (05:02.924)
It'll be remembered for the corruption. And I think what Trump is he doesn't have to be a businessman anymore. He can just put businesses in place and funnel the massive amount of money that flows through the United States Treasury. Right? So now he's got his he's got the key to the largest bank in the world, which is our taxpayer money, flowing, and he's just figuring out more him and those around him are figuring out more and more ways to siphon off.

Mark Hayes (05:15.371)
True that. True that.

Brock Ganeles (05:31.724)
more and more of those budget dollars. From that fucking ridiculous settlement with the IRS, which is just gonna get a check cut from the Treasury, to military contracts, to his, you know, his side projects of crypto, where then he manipulates the who's put in place of the oversight, you know, bureaus that make it easier for crypto companies to make money, right?

Mark Hayes (05:37.482)
Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (05:59.094)
Remove the legislation and the guardrails from those businesses because it works for Trump and therefore the whole government is always operating in a way that personally benefits Trump. I mean, we could have a million or one commissions like Murphy from Connecticut was saying, Hey, once the Democrats are in place, we're gonna investigate everything. But this money all has to be clawed back. This every single dollar.

that's flowed to the Trump family has to be re sequestered back to the US Treasury. And that comes first and foremost. Like the Trump family needs to get bankrupt in next generation America.

Mark Hayes (06:41.811)
Yes, absolutely. at the bare minimum. Bankrupt and imprisoned. This is this is if it's not illegal, what is it? Right? I mean, how are you creating a company and two weeks later getting a multi-billion dollar contract? Ten a contract worth tens of millions of dollars from the US government. You barely got your your NACE code. I mean

It takes that long to get a nascode. So, how are you getting government contracts worth tens of millions of dollars, you know, just all of a sudden out of the blue? And you think nobody is going to look into that? We are definitely gonna look into that because Americans are gonna be screaming, screaming at the top of their lungs to get the justice due, right?

Brock Ganeles (07:36.758)
It's another re it's another reason why Trump will not leave the presidency. He's either gonna die or he's gonna break the constitution. He can't leave. He's committed too many crimes. He can't trust the Department of Justice to anyone else. Not only for the Epstein files, but for all this, you know, money in essence that he's stolen from us, the American people. So he's gonna fight to stay in that seat. So just

Have the lens of every story that you hear from here on out through his presidency is some sort of machination towards Trump staying in power. First, they're trying to, you know, fuck around with this midterm election. Almost like a dry run for the next presidential election. They're trying to scrub registrations, they're going in and stealing ballots, they're gonna restrict mail-in voting.

mean just every anything that you can think of that they can a lever they can pull to get an advantage through the the election system, they will. And if Trump ever figures out that he can't do it, he can't steal manipulate or steal the election, then want then you have to watch out for martial law. That's when he calls in the troops is when he doesn't think he can do it through a quote, more legitimate means, non military means.

Mark Hayes (09:03.199)
Right. Right.

Brock Ganeles (09:04.824)
But if he thinks he can't

He's calling in his own fucking cavalry and his own militias. All these fuckers that he's given money to and he's gotten out of jail and they're well armed. Like shit ain't going quietly he ain't going quiet into the night. He ain't riding quietly into the sunset.

Mark Hayes (09:17.663)
Yep. And they're expecting the paycheck.

Mark Hayes (09:24.543)
Well, that's what this money is for, to pay them to make sure they're on his side when he calls for the massive upheaval once again. when he calls for the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers and the five percenters to stand watch at the ballot boxes in urban communities. Right? Because that's what what it's gonna be. That's what the play's gonna be. Intimidate the black vote, the brown vote, make sure it doesn't get in, eliminate mail-in ballots.

make it as difficult as possible for you know ballots to get into that one ballot box in Harris County that encompasses the city of Houston. I mean, he's gonna do everything he can. And we're not even over the 2020 election fucking fiasco. And we got this idiot governor, Jared Polis, in Colorado, commuting the sentence of Tita Peters. What I mean, he cut our sentence in half.

And she's a fake elector. Like where where is the where what's the penalty for treason and sedition? Seditious conspiracy. Isn't it life? Treason used to be punishable by death.

Brock Ganeles (10:41.004)
What's the motivation for him but in essence giving her a get out of jail free card? What what's the advantage? Well what's what's what's the you know what's the point of doing that? Right? In a country that's so hard on its criminals, maybe a topic we'll get to in a second, right? About, you know, don't do the crime if you can't do the time. We have more people incarcerated than any

Mark Hayes (10:48.459)
I have no idea.

Brock Ganeles (11:10.526)
multi by multiples of any other country in the world. We have for profit prisons. We have the worst conditions, highest, you know, recurrence rates, right? We don't do shit for people after we throw them in jail. But a a woman who's a part of a scheme to try to overturn elections, that's where we're gonna get lenient. That's the type of person that should have a nice, you know, should get more than the benefit of the doubt.

from the current government. May it makes no fucking sense.

Mark Hayes (11:44.359)
At all. At all. She Brock, I pulled it up just because I was so annoyed. She had a nine year sentence. She was convicted for masterminding a security breach of county election computers, allowing an unauthorized person to make copies of the voting system servers. If that ain't seditious conspiracy, like and and deserving of the full.

Or at least 85% if you're in federal prison and you you get good behavior. You know, I I I know people who have been to prison and weren't even caught with drugs and got convicted of conspiracy. Somebody else said they had the dope and were masterminding the drug ring. They never caught him with any dope. They never caught him with any money, and he's still got 10 years and served almost every day of it.

And this woman gets out after trying to overturn an election?

Brock Ganeles (12:49.548)
It's just an epic fail from a democratic governor, right? You're voted to be in a position to to safeguard the the democracy, to safeguard the country, right? To have their to for there to be justice as and to for us to have confidence in our elections. So if someone who was convicted of literally breaking into the servers.

Mark Hayes (13:16.213)
Yep. Yeah.

Brock Ganeles (13:19.97)
Makes no sense. We have two systems of justice in this country. There's no way, first of all, if she's a black woman, she would have gotten out. But second of all, I I even I don't understand why a democratic governor is sending that message to the people of Colorado that what? It's okay that she was poking around the servers. It's okay that she was trying to overturn an election. It's okay that she had, you know, followed through.

on a conspiracy to steal the election in the state of Colorado and then the governor's like, you know what?

Mark Hayes (13:59.51)
We let her go. Give her a wall. Meanwhile, meanwhile, on the black side of the ledger, we are continuously, you know, getting longer sentences for the same crime as our white counterparts. We are looking at these ICE detention facilities, the one in New Jersey, where family visitation at that immigration detention center is gonna resume after being suspended because of the protests.

Brock Ganeles (14:00.142)
Yeah, we'll we'll let we'll let you go.

Mark Hayes (14:29.747)
Right, Brock. Well, why are they being held if they came to this country illegally? Why haven't they been given a government-funded one-way ticket back to where they came from? You know why? Because we're making money, we're housing human beings for profit. Right? That's the goal of the prison system in America. That's why one in five

America one in five prison prisoners resides in America. Right? What are we seven percent of the world's population? Three hundred and forty million? We're we're 25% or 20% of the world's prison population. 2.3 people, 2.3 million. Put a fence around the city of Houston. That's that's the prison population.

Brock Ganeles (15:25.292)
We aren't benefiting, right? It's the for-profit facilities that are benefiting. It's maybe the ICE agents who are getting their bonuses for, you know, rounding people up that are benefiting. Once again, the taxpayer is losing on this, right? That's money, those are dollars that are going to ICE these facilities that aren't going to some other public service such as health care or education.

Mark Hayes (15:54.336)
No.

Brock Ganeles (15:54.604)
that would directly be or food food stamps that would directly benefit American citizens.

Mark Hayes (16:04.445)
It's unbelievable that we put a bigger premium on incarceration than we do on education. Imagine if we

Brock Ganeles (16:11.85)
It's believable 'cause those court those company executives are writing checks to Trump.

And therefore, Trump's in favor of the ICE detention facilities because he's found a way to make money off through kickbacks, ballroom, donations, you know, whatever fucking title you put on it. At the end of the day, it's money that's going to Trump for the benefit of being able to profit off of the detention centers.

Just tie it back though as we talked about the Iran war. Trump's figured out how to make a lot of money off the American war machine. So we're in more conflicts. We're dropping more bombs than we've ever dropped in the last like since World War Two.

Mark Hayes (17:04.255)
Wasting money. Wasting money. That's what we're doing. And getting him paid. Meanwhile, the American citizen continues to suffer, pay higher prices everywhere. Meanwhile, the illegal immigrants, allegedly, right? Are dealing with inadequate medical care, poor living conditions, delays in immigration proceedings because the courts are slam packed. And they're also dealing with you know.

The the incompetence, the incompetence of the Trump administration and the immigration court system that Trump has overtaken and overrun. It's a joke. Because the longer they they they drag these processes out that we don't even know what they are, right? We don't even know what the the the end goal is. If the end goal is to send them home, you should be

Lining them up one by one. Right? Where you from? Where'd you come from? Where do you wanna go? Where can we send ya? But you you you gotta go home, but you can't you can't stay here.

Brock Ganeles (18:05.421)
Yeah, you

Brock Ganeles (18:14.754)
They execute it on the easy part of it. Hire the goons, give them guns, send them out to round people up, throw them in facilities. The hard part is actually caring for the people that are in the facilities, which isn't happening, right? They're dying left and right. And or having some element of a due process to give them a chance to argue for why they should be be here. And if they're not, then to have some logistics in play place to actually deport them.

Mark Hayes (18:28.479)
Right. Right.

Brock Ganeles (18:44.376)
But that second layer is the hard part, and we know the Trump administration is incompetent, so we're just filling warehouses because the easy part is to kidnap people. The hard part is to actually care and process them. It's fucking it's disgraceful that we're allowing this to go on. I'm glad in New Jersey there was something of an uprising. But they even after the uprising, they really didn't win very much.

Mark Hayes (19:01.247)
Right.

Mark Hayes (19:15.101)
No, no.

Brock Ganeles (19:15.778)
But they made some noise and they highlighted the atrocities and that helps. Right? They're out on the street. They caused the ruckus. They made it a story. So more of America is aware of what's going on if they don't happen to have a warehouse in their own backyard.

Mark Hayes (19:20.991)
Right.

Mark Hayes (19:24.913)
Right. Right.

Mark Hayes (19:33.383)
Right. again, Freedom two fifty canceled. It ain't happening. I love it. Nobody wants to be associated with that you know, sexual adjudicated sexual assault predator. we've got

Mark Hayes (19:56.854)
We got w I mean, there's Erica Kirk news now. She was apparently spotted at the Beverly Hills Hotel, drunk off her tail, and kissing and hugging some dude who's allegedly supposed to be getting married, or getting engaged in the near future. I mean the hypocrisy from the right is what's amazing to me, Brock. You know?

Brock Ganeles (20:22.36)
I hadn't heard that s I hadn't heard that story. But you know what? that's that that's another one where I'm like, you know what? Erica can go do whatever she wants now. Single woman. I don't care what she does on her personal time. I just don't want her riling up America's youth to become like, you know, junior Nazis.

Mark Hayes (20:24.926)
I think.

Mark Hayes (20:32.699)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (20:44.159)
Right. And why do we care?

Brock Ganeles (20:45.336)
You know, so that that's that's more my interest. On the other topic, I actually feel like the entire July fourth, two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of America is gonna be a major bust. I think there's zero enthusiasm to for it. I shouldn't say zero, there's like thirty percent enthusiasm for it. I think the rest of us, I think I'm speaking pretty accurately for the other seventy percent. We're not excited about

Mark Hayes (20:56.564)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (21:11.763)
Mm.

Brock Ganeles (21:13.598)
celebrating America right now. We're embarrassed at the state of America at its 250th birthday. We're embarrassed.

Mark Hayes (21:21.545)
Yep. You're right. You're right. And we have every reason to be.

Brock Ganeles (21:25.078)
So I don't see the big celebration. I'm gonna feel like we we've taken steps backwards. We're not like this shining beacon on the hill that's moving forward. We're not this great democracy that fights for democracies around the world. We haven't created this great nation that the forefathers drew up back in seventeen seventy-six. No, we're seeing all the flaws in the constitution, all the flaws in the Bill of Rights.

And we're realizing that they left too much to the goodwill of man and didn't codify things. And now you we see how easy it is for a bad actor to hoodwink the American people and play to their racism, hoodwink some, play to the racism of others, and basically strip away everything that was built over the first 249 years.

Mark Hayes (22:00.051)
Mm.

Mark Hayes (22:16.776)
Right.

Brock Ganeles (22:22.678)
I'm not fucking celebrating 250. I'll s I'm celebrating after Trump is gone and MAG has been extinguished. That's when I'll recelebrate some version of America that doesn't look anything like the one we're living through right now.

Mark Hayes (22:26.419)
I'm excited.

Mark Hayes (22:31.509)
Right.

Mark Hayes (22:39.847)
Right. And you know, I could tell you this, Brock. there's another story floating around out there that's got the African American community about to set fire to the entire place, is that there are allegedly going to be reparations for those immigrants that were held illegally. So if you were rounded up by ICE, tossed into a detention center illegally.

Apparently you're due reparations. But the folks who built this shit for free are not. So if that happens, you you you will see African American mobilization in the streets, and I think you'll see shit burn. Because that's how pissed off black America is right now.

That's how pissed off we if if if you want to get a good follow, you know, follow Gary Chambers or the voice of AI. I am Edwina, the voice of AI. Edwina, voice of AI, I'm sorry, on Instagram. She is outlining the wealth projection and the different ways that people are trying to manipulate the algorithm on AI.

So that African Americans are left behind when the big money surge hits. Because they're saying, you know, AI is going to create more millionaires in the next five years than the whole dot-com bubble did, you know, for the last 25 years. So, you know, there's a lot of money that's going to be made over the next few years. African Americans have every right to be a part of it, but we have people trying to skew the algorithm away from African American interests.

And that is absolutely frightening. So, you know, that's another thing we need to keep an eye on. Another thing we need to develop an understanding of and quickly before we get left behind again. We got left behind in the dot com bubble. We got left behind, you know, with AI now. And, you know, it cannot keep happening. Where you can pay everybody hey, they paid the Japanese for their intern internment camps.

Mark Hayes (25:00.169)
Right? During during World War Two, you know, everybody gets paid except for black America. And we built this shit for free. There's no there's no denying that. There is no denying the African Americans contribution to American history. You can you can erase it from the history book if you want to. That doesn't change a fucking thing.

We were still here since 1619 working for free. And then we became the enemy when we refused to work for free anymore. That's where we are now. That ain't celebration worthy. Not at 250. At 250, we're going backwards. We're going back to 150 to 100.

Brock Ganeles (25:55.946)
At two fifty, you gotta fight for your right to vote again. Seventeen seventy-six, you're three-fifths of a person, no right to vote. 2026 you have you're fighting for it again, and you have like the powers that be. The government, your government is basically looking to restrict your vote, if not strip it away, and certainly devalue the vote through the gerrymander.

Mark Hayes (25:59.369)
No doubt.

Brock Ganeles (26:22.55)
So either devalue it everywhere you can, that's already happened state by state. Try to, you know, change the districts so you get diluted out. And certainly all the voter suppression efforts are to restrict the minority vote. I mean, you guys have been dealing with that since the get-go, but now you have an entire government machination and a two Project 2025 playbook that is in place to try to justify.

Mark Hayes (26:22.761)
No doubt.

Mark Hayes (26:42.133)
Yeah, yeah.

Brock Ganeles (26:52.778)
making it harder and or impossible for black Americans to vote. Who w what's this what's the celebration there? I mean, I I think the whole thing's a fucking farce and a joke, and I think it's gonna be a bust. Just like the World Cup looks like it's gonna be a bust. The fact that the world let us fucking host that event, you know, with Donald Trump, you know, presidency is like

Mark Hayes (27:00.575)
Yeah. There is none.

Mark Hayes (27:13.62)
Unbelievable.

Brock Ganeles (27:19.234)
Who fuck wants to come here? No one wants to come here. They still haven't sold the tickets. It's two weeks away from the first game. Those things are usually like fucking sold out like banshees, but the corruption of FIFA

Mark Hayes (27:22.046)
I used

Mark Hayes (27:29.041)
months in months in advance. Yeah. And and Brock, the price gouging that's going on is insane.

Brock Ganeles (27:38.126)
It's not gonna work because there's gonna be empty seats. You're gonna probably be able to walk up and fucking buy tickets that you know for nothing. Or unless they're gonna just sit there and show empty seats. So that's that, the 250. I mean we're you know, the Freedom Concert was sort of a canary in the coal mine. It just shows that America doesn't wanna celebrate anything. And we're not celebrating anything together.

Mark Hayes (27:43.851)
Yeah.

Mark Hayes (27:49.373)
Right.

It's all a joke.

Brock Ganeles (28:05.868)
You think I'm gonna go to a fucking event and sit around with a bunch of other, you know, red-blooded fucking Americans and celebrate the patriotism? When I see people waving the flag, I usually think if it's not a military event, I usually think that means they're MAGA. Cause to me, like w waving the flag has almost become a symbol for the white supremacy movement, not the America that I believe in.

Mark Hayes (28:32.2)
Nope. Not at all. Not at all. All right, quick hit me. What do you got? You want me to start?

Brock Ganeles (28:39.832)
So our Democratic Senate candidate Graham Plattiner, who was never my favorite because he was both A, a in a mercenary army with our Eric Prince, I believe, like Blackwater. B had a whole bunch of had a bunch of tattoos like Hegzetth, like some Nazi tattoos and the like that he said when he was a youngster, not to mention some of the shit that was on his social media feeds from ten and twenty years ago. But he became something of a progressive darling because his

Mark Hayes (28:52.042)
That's a

Brock Ganeles (29:07.724)
Actual policy positions are very in line with Bernie Sanders and AOC. And frankly, me. I don't like the guy. I like his policies. Now he's gotten himself in a little hot water because apparently he was out sexting a cadre of women. He's married. And to the point where his wife caught onto it and alerted his campaign to the sexting, I guess, under so that they could figure out how to downplay it, cover it up.

put it to bed when it leaked out and now it's leaked out.

My response to all this in the end, as much as I want my candidates to be good people of high integrity, is at this point, I gotta say I don't care that he has personal indiscretions because we need our democracy back. So gonna have to ride this pony to beat Susan Collins, because I know how bad she is, and she's the alternative.

So not gonna love it, not gonna be happy about it. but Graham Platner's kinda fucked up. What are your thoughts on the Sexting Candidate?

Mark Hayes (30:18.09)
Yeah, some issues. Yeah.

Yeah, I got concerns. Any any any relationship to Eric Prince is a problem. you remember his sister was part of the Trump 1.0 and did everything she could to destroy the Department of Education. yeah, I I just I don't like him as a candidate at all. The tattoos bother me, the mercenary angle bothers me. I'm with you on trying to save the democracy.

I don't know that this guy's all in to save it. You know? I don't know if he's gonna pull a Jared Polis. Jared Polis also vetoed, you know, a bill to make it easier to unionize in the state of Colorado. Whose side are you on? Are you on the side of big tech and billionaires? Or are you on the side of the American people, the working people? the people who actually make the thing go round and round. so that's my issue with that, bro. He's gotta

He needs to step down.

Brock Ganeles (31:24.054)
you want him out of the race. You want someone else in there.

Mark Hayes (31:26.622)
Yeah. I I don't want Susan Collins, but I'd rather have somebody else. Yeah. big loss this week in the hockey community and you know, the the North American community, the US and Canada, Claude Claude Lemieux, hard hitting hockey player of the Detroit Red Wings fame, died by suicide at the age of sixty.

Brock Ganeles (31:30.88)
Okay, interesting.

Mark Hayes (31:51.827)
His daughter, Claudia, released a statement that his brain will be donated to Boston University CTE Center for examination. I believe I'm pretty sure he played yeah, from 83 to 09. And I'm not sure that you needed a helmet when he first started playing. So he had a lot of concussions. He played a reckless and hard hitting style of hockey.

he was Detroit in Motown led them to a couple of cups and yeah 83 to 09 you know that's an impressive career. That's a a good long stretch. And you know, it's it's it's a sad loss. It's a sad commentary, but we've gotta do something in terms of

You know, maybe the f maybe the four major pro leagues could come together and form some sort of health consortium, a mental health consortium that that allows the players to get the mental health and the physical health needs met. What do you think?

Brock Ganeles (33:06.962)
after they play. Well, I think Claude Remuse, if I remember him, was one of those players that opponents hated him, teammates loved him. He was known for being a agitator and an instigator and gotten a lot of scraps, right? That was like his a his MO and what what he contributed to championship teams. As soon as I saw he died, as soon as I heard it was a suicide, I immediately thought CTE or depression. You know, some athletes it's you know not being able to

Mark Hayes (33:19.434)
Well, how was this thing?

Brock Ganeles (33:36.226)
you know, sort of match the life of having been an athlete and they don't know what to do when their career is over. But more and more, it's more serious than that in these h you know, collision sports, it tends to be brain injury. I I would be with you if there'd actually be a commission, but unless they're forced to do it, the leagues aren't gonna do it. So it has to come from the players' unions and that has to be something the players fight for as a part of their

Collective bargaining. It's why unions are important, because no individual can ever get this. No employer ever spends money on the welfare of their employees unless they're forced to.

Mark Hayes (34:16.904)
Yep. You're absolutely right.

'Cause they don't want it cutting into the profits.

And that's the bottom line. The bottom line is always the bottom line, especially for the greedy owners in professional sports. You know, they're all the same same makeup, same greed level. and you know, they really don't see these guys, especially in the NFL. They don't see as human beings. You know.

Brock Ganeles (34:47.542)
Interchangeable parts. It's the way Bezos feels about his warehouse workers, right? It's it's the same mentality. And that's why we unions matter and fighting for workplace safety and is important because it'll never get done. The employer is never going to do it proactively. They only do these things when they're forced to because it costs them money.

In the long run, it's for the greater good of everyone, but no one ever thinks about the long run, right? Everyone's a short term thinker and it all ties together. It's why I was mad as those athletes who went to the the Met Gala when Bezos was in in charge of it. Because you gotta shun and embarrass and shame business owners who won't take care of their employees and boycott their businesses. Well I haven't had a Starbucks fucking coffee in five years, because they're always trying to break unions.

Mark Hayes (35:46.174)
Yep. Screw on.

Brock Ganeles (35:47.082)
And unions matter. And so the NHL Players Union will have to do something to put aside money for retirees for their ongoing health. It would be good for them in the long term. Question is, you know, is that something that the players would fight for for themselves long term, or would they just, you know, focus on today's paycheck?

Mark Hayes (36:11.91)
Right. Right. Which obviously doesn't help. All right, buddy. Great place to wrap it up. yeah, we really appreciate Claude Lemie and what he did for the game. put Detroit on the map. you know, Motown hockey something special. All right, buddy. Have a great night. Tomorrow. Revolution.

Brock Ganeles (36:32.526)
All right, Mark, always a pleasure.