2 Men In Black and White: An Honest Conversation

MARK HAYES (00:00.654)
All right, everyone, welcome back to another exciting edition of Two Minute Black and White, an honest conversation. All right, folks, it is a Sunday, but my goodness, the news coming out of Capitol Hill, absolutely disgusting, mostly the White House. You know, we keep hearing about, you know, the Epstein files and Trump and...

The stuff that's coming out now is focused on the BBC report that took place a while ago. And it is absolutely just gagging. I mean, it makes you ill to your stomach. But somehow we let this clown become president. Brock Ginellis joins me now from the beautiful confines of the upper Hudson River Valley, just outside New York City in Brock.

You know, we thought it was all fun and games when, you know, Donald Trump was on Howard Stern's show and, you know, in the eighties when we were kids in New York and we thought, we thought he was a bum back then. We thought he was a clown. We were like, dude can't make money at a casino. Like what's wrong? People give you money and expect nothing in return. And you can't make money at that. You suck as a businessman. So.

You know, the fact that this guy said he was a skilled businessman, you know, and that's what we needed as a president is a joke. It's laughable. And New York is in the tri-state area, knew that, but now the pedophilia is coming out. And this BBC report is absolutely disgusting. Have you had a chance to take a peek at it?

BROCK GANELES (01:43.338)
I mean, I'm just seeing headlines on it. Some of the stuff I'd heard of in the past and it's just interesting, right? Now that people start piecing together some of this reporting that's been done over the years with what's coming out in the Epstein files, right? And putting one on one together. And it's just like, it kind of, you kind of get hit with an of course factor just cause yeah, we all knew like the businessman aspect was kind of a fraud because the casino, especially Atlantic city casino went bankrupt.

MARK HAYES (01:57.516)
Mm-hmm.

BROCK GANELES (02:12.555)
and that was kind of laughable. But then he got a little dangerous, right? More in the 90s when he went after the Central Park Five and wanted them executed before they even went to trial, right? Yeah, no trial, right? He just wanted them dead. Turns out they were all innocent, but he didn't care. They were black. So he figured they were guilty. So he got a little more dangerous at that point. And then he got like disgraceful on 9-11.

MARK HAYES (02:12.878)
Thank you.

MARK HAYES (02:21.966)
Right. Or a climate increment. Right.

Right.

MARK HAYES (02:30.765)
Mm-hmm.

BROCK GANELES (02:41.473)
when he was talking about having the largest building downtown because the Twin Towers had gone down. That was literally his fucking human reaction. Non-sympathetic, empathetic reaction was to talk about the size of his building he owned while the rest of the country mourned. So we knew he was horrendous human being. We didn't know behind the scenes there was all this pedophile shit going on. and now it's, but it doesn't surprise us.

MARK HAYES (02:45.772)
Bye.

MARK HAYES (02:51.063)
Right.

MARK HAYES (03:01.313)
Right.

MARK HAYES (03:04.846)
Right.

No, no, that's the thing New Yorkers knew. Remember the first go round in 16, he got 10 % of the vote in his district in Manhattan. 10%. The people that know him best can't stand his ass. That should have been a huge red flag for the rest of America. But you know, the rest of America had their racism and he was coming with that racism.

and the racism wins out. But, but now here's my thing Brock, how does the racism win out over pedophilia and protecting powerful men from pedophilia? Didn't win out for Diddy, right? Didn't win out for R. Kelly. Didn't win out for a lot of other celebrities with color.

Didn't went out for Harvey Weinstein. Is it Steen or Stein? Weinstein. I always love that line from my cousin Vinny. She called me Steen. Right, right. But you know what I mean? But like how do we decide who's held accountable? What good are the laws?

BROCK GANELES (04:09.277)
I don't know. Go with either. Go with either. Either works. Go with either or either.

MARK HAYES (04:30.538)
if they're only for certain sectors of our community. And that's why Black America is pissed off. Because there's always been one country and two justice systems. Remember, George Floyd died. He was suspected of theft. He got capital punishment. Dylan Roof murdered nine people. They took him out for a burger before they brought him in. Took him through the Burger King drive-thru.

BROCK GANELES (04:54.593)
Mm-hmm. Well, wasn't George Floyd just like a twenty dollar counterfeit dollar was what they were going, was allegedly what it was all about? I mean, I don't...

MARK HAYES (05:00.205)
Yeah.

MARK HAYES (05:04.13)
Yeah. Eric Garner, Eric Garner selling Lucys, right? Capital Punisher.

BROCK GANELES (05:09.791)
I mean, guess white men want to get that same free pass that Trump is getting. So maybe they imagine themselves in that similar role of being able to just do whatever the fuck they want and kind of being on top of the heap of society. Maybe that's the I understand I can get there intellectually on that support because the racism is there. They want to feel just better about where they sit.

MARK HAYES (05:13.422)
you

BROCK GANELES (05:39.254)
in the world or delude themselves into that. like women, why are women protecting predators? Women already have to live their life with their head on a swivel, head checking behind them when they walk to their car and parking garages, right? Like they're always in fear of men. And so why, why would they be throwing their support behind?

MARK HAYES (05:48.162)
Got no answer.

BROCK GANELES (06:05.633)
Trump who was such a predator and not even just adult women right now you know he's he's gone a step worse right into into kids and and it's almost impossible at this point to still say that he wasn't involved if you believe that Epstein was a pedophile and jelaine maxwell is a pedophile and deserves to be in jail you can't separate Trump from the two of them he's in the files over a million times

MARK HAYES (06:10.392)
Right.

MARK HAYES (06:14.158)
Ugh.

MARK HAYES (06:21.614)
Thanks

MARK HAYES (06:30.008)
Right.

MARK HAYES (06:33.419)
No!

I mean, it's ridiculous.

BROCK GANELES (06:37.472)
You know he did it. You read the testimony. You're choosing to look away, but I don't look past it. I don't know why white women are still doing that. Maybe they're not. Maybe the polling is showing that most of them have peeled away. Maybe we are at the point where the true Trump supporters are down under 30%, maybe. 25%. We might be that low.

MARK HAYES (06:42.616)
Right.

MARK HAYES (07:05.846)
Right. What is the white woman in the suburbs scared of? The big, the black boogeyman coming out to the suburbs and raping and pillaging. I don't know what their fear is. Because, because you got everything you need. I mean, you're home most of the day. Like this is, this is my picture.

BROCK GANELES (07:06.603)
we might be.

MARK HAYES (07:30.784)
of the suburban white woman, right? Cause I used to live next door to the suburban white woman. She was home doing Bible study or, you know, selling Girl Scout cookies with their kids and, you know, running errands all day, jamming up the, you know, self-service line at the grocery store. She was home, she had good life living in some really nice.

BROCK GANELES (07:51.32)
I don't think she's home anymore, right? Everyone is a two income family now if they're married because you can't afford America unless everybody's out there bringing home some money. I don't know, it's pretty siloed and insulated already in suburban America, right? There's white neighborhoods, black neighborhoods, we've been talking about that.

MARK HAYES (08:01.56)
Well...

MARK HAYES (08:05.112)
So you're telling me white America is strong?

MARK HAYES (08:14.093)
Right?

BROCK GANELES (08:18.899)
It just doesn't feel it doesn't seem to me that you know lives are affected by we're just not that integrated. But I guess the media has just bombarded us with images of black violent black people that it feels everyone is in this hyper state of fear.

MARK HAYES (08:27.661)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (08:44.813)
and it's been pound into people. It's not real. Statistics don't back it up. People's day to day lives don't back it up. But maybe it's the images, you know, some combination of images and inherent biases. And that gets us there. I don't know why they're protecting Trump, though. I mean, they could be that woman who was lured in and then raped. Right. You know, these people were tricked.

MARK HAYES (08:45.195)
Right.

MARK HAYES (09:05.57)
I don't get it.

BROCK GANELES (09:14.731)
These young girls were tricked into, you know, maybe letting their guard down or putting themselves into a position where they could be snatched and trafficked and then threatened after the fact, right? Threatened for their lives. By then it was, it was too late and they were, they were stuck in it. I mean, that should be the fear, right? They should be afraid of Trump and Epstein's of the world. Like that's, that's the real fear. That's the shit that happened.

MARK HAYES (09:19.67)
and to being trafficked.

MARK HAYES (09:26.306)
Great.

MARK HAYES (09:34.487)
Yeah.

Yeah

MARK HAYES (09:43.35)
Right. Can we get back to a point you made just a moment ago? You said everybody's out there now. You think white America's having a tough time with this economy and the Dow at 50k? Because the worse comes to worse. I mean, I always thought that white America dug into their generational wealth and just put a few extra columns.

BROCK GANELES (10:01.729)
think middle class white middle class, what's left of the middle class white America is definitely, definitely feeling. Upper class America, not feeling it. Things are flowing in their direction. but that's a smaller and smaller slice of the pie. They have a greater and greater percentage of the wealth, but it's a smaller number of people. think middle-class America is definitely feeling the pain.

MARK HAYES (10:06.662)
yeah.

MARK HAYES (10:13.304)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (10:27.213)
I think they're definitely working multiple jobs just to stay afloat because the cost of living has absolutely chewed them up and they don't have enough. They don't have enough put away where the stock market matters to them is cushioning them. They may have some four away K money that's going to help them when they retire, but it ain't getting them through today and the next day insurance rates going up.

MARK HAYES (10:27.49)
Right.

MARK HAYES (10:47.296)
Yeah. Yeah.

MARK HAYES (10:55.35)
Will it make it to retirement? Right.

BROCK GANELES (10:57.163)
Yeah, it's getting there, right? It's getting there. That's the struggle. So now I think the pain is real. I don't believe the unemployment numbers that I saw last week. I don't believe the inflation numbers that I saw last week. I think the data is absolute horse shit. Home you see home sales were way down in January. So real estate agents are losing their jobs. No one's buying houses because there's no new buyers.

MARK HAYES (11:26.612)
No, plus the interest rates are still relatively high. No such thing. There's no such thing, you know.

BROCK GANELES (11:26.913)
Who's the new buyer? Who's the new, who's the new buyer?

BROCK GANELES (11:34.199)
Yeah, so I think there's pain.

MARK HAYES (11:37.184)
And nobody's moving because companies are not hiring. If anything, they're selling, right? And so the value is going to fall out of these different, you know, suburbs that have, you know, gone through boom times, you know, after COVID. I mean, remember the jump, the spike in home prices when there was no inventory?

BROCK GANELES (11:54.38)
Yeah, everyone's right. And that's most people's, know, major, major source of wealth, but you can't really tap into it.

MARK HAYES (12:01.824)
Right. Right.

BROCK GANELES (12:02.957)
Right? I mean, maybe you can second mortgage. You can give up your ownership of it in essence and become like a, you know, quasi rent, you know, sort of a renter again. Um, yeah, I know, I think the economic pain, haven't talked economics in a long time, right? The healthcare costs have gone up. Grocery prices has still not gone down. Insurance costs are up everywhere. There's no place in, in day to day life where there we've gotten a breather from.

MARK HAYES (12:10.542)
First mortgage.

Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (12:32.225)
the cost of living, affordability. Affordability fell off the table because ICE dominated the news. Epstein has dominated the news. It's probably a good thing that these other issues have come to the fore. It's about time the Epstein files became, we got a new viewer. We got a new viewer coming into the chat room. you know, it's kind of good. It's evened it out, but we, we can't walk away from the affordability issues. Like there's still,

people are still getting crushed. latest data on that front was mortgage delinquencies, absolutely spiking. But you know, of course, but of course where they're spiking on the lowest third of homeowners.

MARK HAYES (13:08.782)
Really?

MARK HAYES (13:16.258)
that's us. It's Black America.

BROCK GANELES (13:18.177)
the lowest third who are getting black America. Yeah, absolutely getting killed, missing mortgage payments. You know, we're going to face a whole bunch of people who

MARK HAYES (13:21.016)
That's black America.

MARK HAYES (13:27.148)
Yeah. Because, Brock, remember, you know, Black and Brown folks oftentimes find themselves on that treadmill, right? Not working in recession-proof businesses, not having a lot of savings because we haven't had the opportunity to, not having a lot of equity in their homes because we become, you know, I told you in my professional career how many different homes I lived in, right? Because I kept losing jobs.

You know, last hired first fired. So that's us down there on the bottom, right? Then remember how many, how many, you know, tens of thousands of African-Americans were let go in the Doji Purge, right? With the muskrats when they ran through the rough shot, blowing up the government. So, you know, we, we, we all, white America catches a cold, black America gets pneumonia and we know what it is.

So, look, economically, black folks are up against it. Because here's the problem. Trump stays in there, it continues. For another three fucking years, there is no light at the end of the tunnel. Because economically, the only economics he's worried about are his and his bankroll.

his bank account and you know what can I funnel off to my children right what it what it what it jarvanka make that last year of trump 1.0 what like 700 million with those chinese trademarks and patents that she got i mean you know it's it's it's a joke meanwhile the rest of america's out here i i drove past a high school yesterday

And there was a sign out there that said the food distribution line starts here. So it's still going on, right? The media is not talking about it. Not talking about it. Yep.

BROCK GANELES (15:37.87)
Now talking about it, well, we cut the food benefits, right? So people are still hungry. It's just not a story anymore. It's only a story for a week. But I really got to thinking when I saw that mortgage delinquency thing and it just reminded me is like, you know what? When Wall Street got over their skis on the housing bubble and Wall Street blew themselves up, massive bailout, right? Year later, yeah, a couple of people lost their jobs. A couple of firms went under, but the system was maintained with, you know,

MARK HAYES (15:55.586)
Mm-hmm.

MARK HAYES (16:00.025)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (16:07.553)
billions, tens and hundreds of billions of dollars of our tax dollars so that everyone could go back to their nice six to seven figure livings. But no one's going to come to help out this lower third of the homeowners who thought maybe they had scratched and clawed their way to the American dream of owning their own home. But you know, they were one layoff away. They were, you know,

MARK HAYES (16:11.79)
our dollars.

MARK HAYES (16:24.184)
Nope.

BROCK GANELES (16:37.739)
getting one shitty health incident away that drained and it siphoned the money away from paying the mortgage. That may be reflective of people who lost their healthcare coverage and all of a sudden had to pay basically out of pocket for things to stay alive like insulin and other things and their drugs, their blood pressure drugs and others.

MARK HAYES (17:03.917)
Yep.

BROCK GANELES (17:05.523)
and now it became a choice. Am I going to stay alive or am I going to pay the mortgage? And, but no one's coming to help those people. just ripped the rug out from under them. We just made their lives more expensive because we didn't extend those ACA subsidies. And here we are six weeks after the ACA subsidies are pulled away and all of sudden the bottom third of homeowners are already missing payments.

MARK HAYES (17:09.974)
Right.

MARK HAYES (17:14.647)
No.

MARK HAYES (17:22.253)
Alright.

BROCK GANELES (17:33.997)
I mean, could have predicted this. Of course, we knew this, whole millions of people in America didn't have the cushion to take on an extra thousand to 2000 a month in healthcare costs.

MARK HAYES (17:34.08)
Right.

MARK HAYES (17:38.744)
Gah!

MARK HAYES (17:48.299)
and nobody's talking about it. Turn on your local broadcast. It's not on there. It's not on there. They're talking about locally. They're talking about the 2020 election and the ballots that Trump seized. They were still talking about that last night. Why are you investigating that? That's a dead issue. That's a moot point.

All right, the fucking guy lost. He lost. All right, let's talk about what's going on now. Right, I was able to access that report you're talking about and it says, you know, all three major loan types Brock, conventional FHA and VA. Right, first of all, why are our veterans in trouble? Why are those who are willing to pay the ultimate sacrifice in trouble? Right, after serving your country. You know what Brock, I don't even know if you should have to pay a mortgage.

After you went and put your life on the line, you know if you served in combat duty, fuck it Give me some give me a penny sales tax around the country in 50 states To pay for veterans mortgages. We only got what a million five two million people in the armed services No, well exactly

BROCK GANELES (19:04.437)
We won't even cover their health care properly, right? We don't even really even take care of their injuries, be they mental or physical. I mean, it's a disgrace what we do to the military. I'm still I'm seeing more and more people calling out the military specifically saying at what point is our military and veterans going to get really loud about the fact that they're just being, you know, played for chumps and kicked around and basically treated like shit.

MARK HAYES (19:16.492)
Now... Go down!

MARK HAYES (19:31.254)
and suck. Yep. Yep.

BROCK GANELES (19:33.591)
I mean, Trump went to what was it, Fort Bragg or one of those places just on Saturday and told them all to vote for himself. He made a political speech on a military base, right? Another norm broken. That's something that was never done before.

MARK HAYES (19:47.446)
Right. Right. And, you know, it's ludicrous, too, because, you know, there was a time when everybody respected, when our politicians respected, you know, the fact that our military was an apolitical body. And now it's, you know, because Trump has, you know, run roughshod over everything. Now we have, you know, this classic

you confrontation. You you want to get in a foxhole with a MAGA dude as an African-American man? You know what I mean? I'm not going to pull him out. It's what both guys are saying. Right? Exactly. You know? So, I mean, all we're doing is breaking down these phenomenal institutions that we had built up.

BROCK GANELES (20:31.137)
Yeah, you can trust that guy to really have your back. We're so fractured. Yeah, but we've

MARK HAYES (20:42.793)
and thought at one point they were the best in the world. you know, I think Ghostface Killer might have pointed it out yesterday in the chat. We're going backwards. We are regressing as a nation. Every place else is moving forward. China, Japan, high speed rail, solar panels, everything except us. Right. We're still we're talking about how hot coal is. Coal is hot. Really.

BROCK GANELES (21:08.545)
Yeah, we got a mumps. We got a mumps break out of Maryland, right? We got shit. We got diseases coming back that we didn't even we barely heard about as kids, you know, 50 years ago, like it had been eradicated and now it's and now it's coming back. We got other countries laughing at us because they're like, of course, we we don't wake up in the morning worried about whether we'll be able to vote in the next election. You know, European democracies and Canada are like.

MARK HAYES (21:12.811)
We got measles.

MARK HAYES (21:17.493)
Right. Right.

MARK HAYES (21:25.089)
Yeah.

BROCK GANELES (21:34.434)
These are the things we're concerned about, you got another piece of legislation running around there that's going to disenfranchise both poor people and women. And you guys aren't even blinking, thinking twice, barely thinking twice about pushing it through. And you know, got to fight for the most basic rights right now. And you're trying to tell us that you're the leading democracy in the world.

MARK HAYES (21:47.213)
You're right. Right.

BROCK GANELES (22:02.647)
They're fucking scoffing at us. They think it's ludicrous that we still think that's who we are.

MARK HAYES (22:06.989)
Right, right. Because, you know, our educated folks here know better. Right? Educated Americans know better, which is why I expect them to do better. You know, college educated Americans should not be pulling the Trump lever at all, ever. They should have definitely never triple trumped. And I just, I would like for a college educated individual to explain that to me.

BROCK GANELES (22:36.801)
The second time's a bridge too far. Look, for me, even the first time, I'm like, fuck, you just told me who you are. I almost can give a little bit of a pass. Like, okay, maybe you deluded yourself into the whole outsider thing, non-politician, businessman. You, of course, ignored the racism and that piece of the puzzle. But, okay, maybe you can give me the one vote. Second one?

MARK HAYES (22:39.403)
Good.

MARK HAYES (23:03.341)
you

BROCK GANELES (23:05.609)
Seriously, you exactly what you're getting the third one you're fucking You might as well put a hood you might as well put a hood on at this point Like you got to be fucking kidding me, you know exactly what you're getting and you wanted it So all these this is not what I voted for to me on the third time total bullshit total Absolute bullshit. You think that's your own delusional narcissistic exception exceptionalism that you think you're gonna be excluded

MARK HAYES (23:06.157)
Right.

MARK HAYES (23:13.749)
Right. Right.

MARK HAYES (23:24.897)
No.

BROCK GANELES (23:34.261)
from all the atrocities.

MARK HAYES (23:36.223)
Right and and if you feel like You know pam bondy Is something you can get behind if cash batel Is something you could get behind? You know if scott besant There's something howard lutnick any of these clowns

BROCK GANELES (23:57.11)
Mostly Gabbard and in charge of the intelligence. don't know and even trust that she has American interests at heart. We literally think she might be a foreign agent. And she's in charge of all of our intelligence services.

MARK HAYES (24:01.364)
Right.

MARK HAYES (24:09.835)
Yes, we're pretty sure.

Right, we've got a confidential top secret whistleblower report, right, being locked away.

because they're afraid of what America will think when it comes out.

I mean Tulsi Gabbard is comp- we've known she's compromised. This is nothing new. You know we've seen the videos of her and she was down here in Atlanta overseeing the confiscation of those ballots.

BROCK GANELES (24:50.635)
Nah, well...

MARK HAYES (24:53.547)
Wow, what'd you study at college?

BROCK GANELES (24:54.709)
Mark, I can only hope that because it's been a cold winter is the only reason the American people haven't been out in tens of millions on the streets. And instead, most of us sat at home and just watched Minneapolis get out there, freeze their asses off and like fight the fight for all of us. only hoping that as soon as the weather warms that everyone's going to want to be out there.

MARK HAYES (25:16.672)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (25:23.945)
in droves and gridlock this country until there's change.

MARK HAYES (25:30.038)
Right.

MARK HAYES (25:34.475)
Wow. All right, let's get up out of here with a couple of quick hits. What do you got for me?

BROCK GANELES (25:40.088)
First one is a simple one. I actually agree with Alyssa Slotkin on something. She came out this morning and said she thinks we should ban the presidential pardon. She said, gotta go. It's been abused. She even said it's been abused by both sides, but Trump is just, you know, he's obviously made a mockery of it. And why the fuck does a president need that?

MARK HAYES (25:45.857)
Whoa!

MARK HAYES (25:52.609)
Let's go.

MARK HAYES (26:01.207)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (26:04.043)
that. It's almost like you know what presidents have abused it now we got to it away from them like toddlers right like the toddler just gotta take it away from them they got misused. My bigger one is did you see what Elon Musk said this morning? If you seriously people need to get the fuck off of Twitter I don't know anyone who's still buying a Tesla I and

MARK HAYES (26:09.097)
Right.

MARK HAYES (26:13.771)
Yep. Yep. No problem with that.

MARK HAYES (26:23.53)
No!

BROCK GANELES (26:32.077)
literally we should be boycotting any fucking thing that guy gets near Elon Musk quote today is I gotta read it for it it's a longer than this but here's the gist of it for a country to survive there has to be a common culture and it goes on from there that America has a English Scottish Irish culture

MARK HAYES (26:43.885)
Mm-hmm.

BROCK GANELES (26:58.591)
I don't think the Irish really came here for a hundred years after culture. And that's what everyone in America wants to be a part of. He used culture instead of race, right? Well, we know what the fuck he was talking about. He must think being in set from South Africa that he's a part of that culture and therefore welcome here. But he's basically came coming out and saying that America can't be a multicultural nation. It's he's basically.

MARK HAYES (27:11.021)
Right

MARK HAYES (27:26.059)
Right.

BROCK GANELES (27:27.233)
basically came out and I'm white supremacist and this is my vision of what as if we didn't know it but now he's just literally you know as if his Nazi salute didn't already tell us where he was at now he's just saying it out loud and it just leads me to say that when we fucking turn this thing around and take power again there needs to be an absolutely broad sweep of the indiscretions throughout the technology industry, Palantir

MARK HAYES (27:48.863)
He's out.

BROCK GANELES (27:56.814)
Peter Thiel, Musk, all these fuckers.

MARK HAYES (27:58.03)
Love them gotta go Yeah, especially the muskrats the one who did the work the ones who did the work. They got a fucking go-to

BROCK GANELES (28:05.547)
You get a deportations people who aren't here even legally. But all the constitutional rights that these companies have been a part of working with ICE being a part of. But Musk is number one. So if you're still on X, I know you may like how many followers you have and who knows what the fuck is still going on over there. But just remember you are supporting a white supremacy platform.

MARK HAYES (28:09.824)
Right.

MARK HAYES (28:16.812)
Yep.

MARK HAYES (28:22.465)
No.

BROCK GANELES (28:32.307)
every time you log into X and give him another eyeball you legitimize him and his platform. So that's my that's my quick hitter on on the musk. What do got for me?

MARK HAYES (28:45.207)
Cool, I got another nasty email from the Epstein files. It was absolutely disgusting. Allegedly from Maxwell to Epstein, or Epstein to Maxwell rather, notifying her in fact that Donald Trump was on his way to the island. And I, geez, I can't remember the date. Nevermind, doesn't matter.

And Epstein was saying to Maxwell, hey, please make sure we have enough diapers last time he was on the island He shit everywhere and I had to burn everything So, please prepare for his arrival He didn't have enough diapers for one of his visits. is so fucking disgusting. Yeah, he stinks. He stinks!

BROCK GANELES (29:29.645)
Jesus Christ, I can't believe I missed that one. Oh God.

MARK HAYES (29:37.986)
And in terms of our leadership initiative here at Two Men in Black and White, we still are looking for our Navalny, our MLK, our leader to emerge. You know, one of my favorite guys from the J6 hearings, Benny Thompson, is saying that Black Americans have worked hard and sacrificed for generations. One man can't silence our voice or erase our legacy. Then he has a list of a couple of Trump's policies that have attacked Black America.

Black Lives Matter Plaza removed executive order attacking the National Museum of African American History, removing black historical figures from national websites, and of course, attacking HBCUs by reducing funding at the Department of Education and rolling back DEI initiatives. So, then he has a call for action here. And if I'm not mistaken here, let me checking the math on this. Yeah, he says, call your representative.

That's what he wants us to do is call our representative.

BROCK GANELES (30:41.557)
I wish the call to action was more for protest than just calling the representative. I didn't call my guy Pat Ryan, who in my mind doesn't fucking say enough and just kind of rolls along. I don't know what he does day in and day out, but I never hear from him. So he's certainly not inspiring a resistance movement. What am I going to call and tell him? You know, get off your ass. I just feel like if I have to tell him that, just need someone new.

MARK HAYES (30:50.987)
Right.

MARK HAYES (31:00.608)
Right.

You're right.

Yeah, absolutely. Well, we need fighters. We need fighters.

BROCK GANELES (31:12.007)
it if i yeah i mean and he's he's actually a veteran because i'm like we just i mean i just kind of always feel like that they're not leaders if they need rank and file joe schmo's like me to pick up the phone and tell him what i what is what is what his job should be in this moment if he can't figure out the moment you know i gotta i gotta explain it to him

MARK HAYES (31:29.557)
and start doing shit.

BROCK GANELES (31:39.234)
Alright Benny, get it, but like I'll rant on this podcast instead. Speaking of which, did talk about how we'd love to get a particularly a Latino guest on here to talk about the Latino experience and, know, discuss and debate and, and see where we're at and how we can, develop a unified resistance, multicultural, sorry, Elon, multicultural resistance.

MARK HAYES (31:52.169)
Yes.

BROCK GANELES (32:08.033)
but we did have a woman viewer hop into the chat and say, Hey, you guys also said you want to hear more of two men in black and white safe to say we could use a woman's perspective and wanted to hop on the show. did reach back, her, gave her my personal email to hit us up. So we're not bullshitting. We want to hear from people. we, we actually, you want to come on and you want to fill in some gaps or talk about a place where you think we're

MARK HAYES (32:26.189)
Not at all.

BROCK GANELES (32:35.501)
We obviously can't first hand, you know, first hand experience through that lens. Come join us on the show. We want to. It'll be additive and we'll have interesting, informative and entertaining half hour with you. So we're not bullshitting when we say that. Follow up in the chat. Follow up with us. We'll talk offline and we'll make it happen.

MARK HAYES (32:50.856)
Absolutely.

MARK HAYES (32:57.825)
Yes, indeed. We're dead serious about that because we want every perspective that we can get, especially from our Latino brothers and sisters, because we got a lot of questions for the Latino community. Especially if we're approaching midterms, which I say may not happen. I'd be interested to get the Latino perspective on that as well, whether or not they believe midterms will actually happen. So, and you know, there, of course, there is a lot.

That needs to be done to assist the Latino community. They're they're already out there galvanizing and helping, you know Spread the word about ice and ice's locations in their movements. So You know, we're all engaged in the resistance and if we ever decide to unify You know, we'll be a force to reckon with So let's make it happen. All right, buddy. Happy Sunday

BROCK GANELES (33:50.879)
Okay, Mark. All right, thank you. It was a pleasure. Talk to you tomorrow.

MARK HAYES (33:55.937)
Peace.